[00:00:03] GOOD MORNING. TODAY IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE SHASTA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. [CALL TO ORDER] IT IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9TH. THE TIME IS 9 A.M.. WE HAVE ALL BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT ALONG WITH CEO DAVE RICKERT, COUNTY COUNCIL JOSEPH LARMOR, AND FROM THE CLERK OF THE BOARD, STEPHANIE BLANKENSHIP, MARCY WINSTEAD. AND IN THE FOYER, MIRANDA ANGEL. WE ENCOURAGE THOSE WISHING TO PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC COMMENT, FILL OUT A SPEAKER REQUEST CARD AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CLERK IN THE FOYER. SPEAKER REQUEST CARDS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EACH REGULAR ITEM BEGINS. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MISS BLANKENSHIP. THANK YOU. THROUGH THE CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY OF THE BOARDROOM RULES OF ORDER AS OUTLINED IN ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY 1-101, WHICH CAN BE FOUND ONLINE THROUGH THE CLERK OF THE BOARD'S WEBSITE. THIS POLICY INCLUDES SIGNAGE, RESTRICTION, ATTENDEE SEATING, AND OVERALL CONDUCT TO ENSURE BUSINESS IS DONE IN AN ORDERLY FASHION AND THAT ALL HAVE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO OBSERVE AND PARTICIPATE UNLESS ADDRESSING THE BOARD, ALL THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE SHALL REMAIN SEATED IN THE CHAIRS PROVIDED. STANDING ALONG THE BACK WALL OF THE BOARDROOM IS ACCEPTABLE, SO LONG AS NO PERSON BLOCKS THE INGRESS OR EGRESS. MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA WHO WANT TO OBSERVE, RECORD OR OTHERWISE DOCUMENT A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING ARE REQUESTED TO SET UP EQUIPMENT FROM THE DESIGNATED AREA ALONG THE SOUTH WINDOWS. SHASTA COUNTY REMAINS COMMITTED TO CONDUCTING BUSINESS IN A PROFESSIONAL AND ACCESSIBLE ENVIRONMENT, AND WE KINDLY ASK THAT ALL ATTENDEES ADHERE TO THESE RULES. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THINGS BACK OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. MISS BLANKENSHIP. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE UP PASTOR DAYTON PHILLIPS FROM HOPE BAPTIST CHURCH FOR OUR INVOCATION. I'D ASK YOU TO PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRAYER. THANK YOU. YOU ALL MAY BOW YOUR HEADS WITH ME IF YOU WISH TO DO SO, AND LIFT THESE WORDS UP TO THE LORD. OUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. HOLY IS YOUR NAME. I THANK YOU, FATHER, THAT YOU HAVE ORDAINED A FREE SOCIETY IN WHICH THE SHASTA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE BEEN CHOSEN BY YOUR PEOPLE AND ENTRUSTED TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS BEFORE THEM. TODAY, I ASK THAT YOU ATTEND FAVORABLY TO THESE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I ASK THAT YOU BESTOW A SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT TO THESE SERVANTS, YOUR PEOPLE WHO SIT BEFORE YOU TODAY. I PRAY THAT THEIR HEARTS WILL BE FILLED WITH HUMILITY AND COMPASSION, YET DETERMINATION AND STRENGTH. LEAD THEM BY YOUR SPIRIT TO MANAGE WELL THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS OF SHASTA COUNTY, AND TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THE DIFFICULT PROBLEMS FACING OUR COMMUNITY. I PRAY FOR HARMONY TO PREVAIL OVER DISCORD AND AGREEMENT OVER ANIMOSITY, RESENTMENT, AND BITTERNESS IN TAKING FAIR, REASONABLE AND PRACTICAL ACTIONS RESULTING FROM TODAY'S DISCUSSION OF THE AFFAIRS OF SHASTA COUNTY. FATHER GOD, I ASK THAT YOU SECURE WITH DIVINE PROTECTION ALL OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS. FATHER, GOD BLESS AND PROTECT OUR ARMED FORCES PERSONNEL, ALL OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS AND FIRST RESPONDERS. FATHER, GOD BLESS OUR FIREFIGHTERS WITH A LOW INCIDENT AND ZERO CASUALTY FIRE. WILDFIRE SEASON IN 2026. FATHER GOD, FOR THE LOVE THAT YOU CONVEY TO ALL YOUR PEOPLE, I THANK YOU WITH ETERNAL GRATITUDE IN MY HEART, AND I THANK YOU FOR THE HOPE AND YOUR PROMISE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO EACH OF US TO ENJOY THE BLESSINGS OF LIFE IN THIS WORLD, THAT WE MAY, THROUGH FAITH, ABIDE WITH YOU FOREVER. I PRAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. GOD BLESS AMERICA. MERRY CHRISTMAS. MERRY CHRISTMAS. WOULD YOU JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, PASTOR PHILLIPS. THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR LONG. HERE REALLY QUICK BEFORE WE GET GOING. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE OUR FIVE UP BELOW OUR THREE. I GOT A REQUEST FROM ROV CLINT CURTIS. AND I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. R FIVE IS NOW OUR FOR EVERYTHING ELSE WILL SLIDE DOWN ONE STEP ACCORDINGLY. ALL RIGHT. ADOPT RESOLUTIONS WHICH RECOGNIZES KAREN OTTMAN, [R1 Adopt a resolution which recognizes Karen Ottman, Eligibility Supervisor, of the Health and Human Services Agency as Shasta County’s Employee of the Month for December 2025.] ELIGIBILITY SUPERVISOR OF THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AGENCY, AS SHASTA COUNTY EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR DECEMBER 2025. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. READ THE RESOLUTION HERE. IN HONOR OF KAREN. WHEREAS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF SHASTA HAS ADOPTED THE SHASTA COUNTY EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY EXCEPTIONAL EMPLOYEES WHO DESERVE TO BE RECOGNIZED AND HONORED FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO COUNTY [00:05:03] SERVICE. AND WHEREAS SUCH RECOGNITION IS GIVEN TO EMPLOYEES MEETING THE CRITERIA OF THE PROGRAM, NAMELY EXCEPTIONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE, PROFESSIONALISM, HIGH ETHICAL STANDARDS, INITIATIVE, INNOVATION, TEAMWORK, PRODUCTIVITY, AND SERVICE AS A ROLE MODEL FOR OTHER PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. AND WHEREAS, THE SHASTA COUNTY EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION COMMITTEE HAS CONSIDERED ALL CURRENT NOMINATIONS FOR THE SHASTA COUNTY EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH. AND WHEREAS, KAREN ALTMAN BEGAN HER EMPLOYMENT WITH SHASTA COUNTY IN 2005 AS AN EXTRA HELP EMPLOYEE IN THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AGENCY BEFORE BEING HIRED TO A FULL TIME POSITION IN 2006. DURING HER 20 YEARS OF SERVICE TO SHASTA COUNTY, KAREN DEVELOPS KAREN HAS PROMOTED THROUGH VARIOUS ROLES, CULMINATING IN HER CURRENT POSITION AS AN ELIGIBILITY SUPERVISOR, KAREN DEVELOPS AN ORGANIZATIONAL CULTURE THAT FOSTERS TEAMWORK THROUGH TEAM BUILDING EXERCISES AND EMPOWERING STAFF TO CREATE THEIR OWN EXERCISES TO PRESENT TO THE UNIT. KAREN'S TRAINERS CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATE POSITIVITY AND WARMTH WHEN GUIDING NEW EMPLOYEES, WHICH EXEMPLIFIES THE SUPPORTIVE AND WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT SHE HAS CULTIVATED IN THE UNIT. KAREN IS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER TO ASSIST OTHER UNITS FOR COVERAGE AT THE CASCADE BUILDING OR AT ONE OF THE OTHER REGIONAL LOCATIONS. SHE IS EAGER TO DO THE WORK OF HER STAFF AND ADMITS TO LOVING IT WITH THE BELIEF THAT IF LEADERSHIP IS NOT ABLE TO DO THE WORK OF THEIR TEAM, HOW ARE THEY TO UNDERSTAND THE STRUGGLES AND PROBLEMS THEIR EMPLOYEES FACE? THIS KNOWLEDGE IS ESSENTIAL IN BRIDGING THE GAP IN UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN LEADERSHIP AND FRONTLINE WORKERS. WHEN KAREN IS FACED WITH A PROBLEM, SHE CONSIDERS ALL OPTIONS IN DEVELOPING A SOLUTION. AS A SUPERVISOR OF THE TRAINING UNIT, KAREN IS SURE TO BE ON TOP OF ANY POLICY OR PROCEDURE CHAIN CHANGE AND ENSURES CONCISE EXPLANATIONS TO GUARANTEE THE PROCESS IS UNDERSTOOD, SHE IS SURE TO THINK OF ALL STAKEHOLDERS IN THE WORKFLOW PROCESS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S PART IS CONSIDERED, WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTOR TO THE SUCCESS OF THE AGENCY. KAREN EMBODIES THE COMMITMENT TO ENSURING CLIENTS LEAVE WITH HELPFUL INFORMATION, EVEN IF THEIR INITIAL REQUEST CANNOT BE FULFILLED. SHE IS COMMITTED TO QUALITY AND EXCELLENCE IN EVERYTHING SHE DOES AND HAS RESPONSIBILITY OVER. SHE IS CONTINUOUSLY SEEKING FEEDBACK FROM BOTH TRAINEES AND ELIGIBILITY LEADERSHIP ON HOW THINGS ARE GOING WITH INDUCTION TRAINING AND GATHERING INPUT ON OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT WHEN NEEDED. KAREN HAS A TREMENDOUS LEADERSHIP SPIRIT THAT FOCUSES ON THE SUCCESS OF OUR TEAM AND THE AGENCY AS A WHOLE. SHE HAS A HIGH LEVEL OF OPENNESS AND AUTHENTIC WARMTH THAT MAKES THE REST OF THE TEAM MEMBERS FEEL WELCOME AND HEARD. KAREN CLEARLY TAKES PRIDE IN HER WORK AND STRIVES TO ASSESS AND IMPROVE HER OWN PERFORMANCE REGULARLY, AND IS NOT AFRAID TO ADMIT WHEN SHE HAS MADE A MISTAKE, WHICH IS A SIGN OF A TRUE LEADER. KAREN IS A TRUE BELIEVER THAT IT TAKES ALL OF US TO HELP THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO NEED IT MOST, AND SHE IS THE TRUE STANDARD OF A WORKER FOR THE HHS. SHOWING KINDNESS AND COMPASSION TO ALL. FOR THE REASONS STATED ABOVE, THE EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS KAREN ORTMAN AS THE EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR DECEMBER 2025. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT KAREN ORTMAN, ELIGIBILITY SPECIALIST IN THE SHASTA COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AGENCY, IS HEREBY NAMED SHASTA COUNTY EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR DECEMBER 2025? I'LL MAKE A I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION. I'LL. SECOND. ARE YOU GOING. AND AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE UP JOHN TAYLOR, ECONOMIC MOBILITY DEPUTY BRANCH DIRECTOR, TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE ANY BRIEF COMMENTS IN HONOR OF KAREN. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN CRYE AND FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, JOHN TAYLOR, ACTING BRANCH DIRECTOR FOR THE ECONOMIC MOBILITY BRANCH OF HHS. AYE. I HAVE THE DISTINCT HONOR THIS MORNING TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMEONE I'VE KNOWN FOR MANY YEARS, KAREN ALTMAN. KAREN HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY FAMILY FOR 20 YEARS, MOVING UP THE RANKS IN THE ELIGIBILITY WORLD FROM AN ELIGIBILITY WORKER, ONE NOT SPECIALIST, TO AN ELIGIBILITY SUPERVISOR WITH VARIOUS ASSIGNMENTS IN BETWEEN. FROM WORKING WITH PROBATION CLIENTS TO THE HUSTLE BUSTLE OF A REGIONAL OFFICE, LEAVING HER IMPACT WHEREVER SHE LANDED. KAREN'S REPUTATION IS THAT OF SOMEONE WHO IS PASSIONATE ABOUT THE WORK WE DO IN THE COMMUNITY WE SERVE, WILLING TO STEP IN AND DO WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO HELP A CLIENT OR COWORKER. KAREN'S CURRENT LANDING SPOT IS AS AN ELIGIBILITY SUPERVISOR, OVERSEEING OUR ELIGIBILITY INDUCTION TRAINING CLASS, WHERE SHE CAN IMPART HER WISDOM, HER KNOWLEDGE, HER COMPASSION ON OUR NEWEST ELIGIBILITY SPECIALIST. BUT TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUE IMPACT OF KAREN, WHY SHE'S MOST DESERVING OF THIS AWARD, LISTEN TO WHAT KAREN'S COWORKERS SAY ABOUT HER. KAREN SHARES HER KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE FREELY SO OTHERS CAN ASSIST THOSE IN NEED, DEMONSTRATING A COMMITMENT AND CREATING A RIPPLE EFFECT OF POSITIVE IMPACT. IT IS HER BELIEF THAT BY EMPOWERING OTHERS WITH INFORMATION AND SKILLS, THEIR ABILITY TO HELP THOSE REQUIRING ASSISTANCE CAN BE MAGNIFIED AND EXTENDED BEYOND INDIVIDUAL INTERACTIONS. KAREN IS A WONDERFUL SUPERVISOR TO WORK FOR AND WITH. SHE HAS HELPED ME GROW INTO MY ROLE WHILE GIVING ME ENDLESS PATIENCE DURING EVERY [00:10:04] GROWING PAIN. SHE'S CONSISTENT, RESPECTFUL, AND GENUINE TOWARDS EVERYBODY SHE INTERACTS WITH AND PROVIDES AN HONEST OPINION AS NEEDED. KAREN GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND BOTH FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT SHE SERVES AND THE PEOPLE SHE WORKS WITH. SHE'S ALWAYS LOOKING TO HELP OUR CLIENTS AS MUCH AS SHE CAN, AND WHEN SHE PUSHES AND SHE PUSHES HER TEAM TO DO THE SAME. AT THE SAME TIME, SHE'S ALWAYS ENCOURAGING FOR PEOPLE THAT WORK UNDER HER TO TRY NEW THINGS AND SEIZE NEW OPPORTUNITIES. SHE'S FUN, POSITIVE, THOUGHTFUL, AND I COULDN'T ASK FOR A BETTER SUPERVISOR. AND THAT IS JUST A SAMPLE OF THE AMAZING THINGS KAREN'S ECONOMIC MOBILITY TEAM HAD TO SAY ABOUT HER. KAREN, ON BEHALF OF ECONOMIC MOBILITY AND HHC, THANK YOU FOR BEING YOU, CARING ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY, HELPING THOSE MOST IN NEED, AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE EACH AND EVERY DAY. THANK YOU. JOHN, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUEST TO SPEAK. CHAIR. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE VOTE? YEAH WE WILL. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE KAREN SAY A FEW WORDS FIRST OR. KAREN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SAY ANYTHING? NO PRESSURE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE, EVERYONE I WORK WITH. THANK YOU FOR COMING AND I HOPE WE DO GOOD WORK AND I WISH WE COULD BE PAID MORE. I WILL SAY THAT YOU. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. WE DO WONDERFUL WORK AND I LOVE WORKING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ALL MY FRIENDS. EVERYBODY IS SO WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. YOU BET. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. IN LIEU OF A BIG RAISE, THERE'S A LOT OF GIFTS AND PRIZES. SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. WHICH IS GOING TO BE ALMOST JUST AS GOOD. THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU KAREN. IT WAS GREAT TO READ AND HEAR ALL THOSE AMAZING THINGS ABOUT YOU AND YOUR WORK. THERE'S YOUR CERTIFICATE AND LET ME SHARE WHAT'S IN THE BAG HERE. SO A SHASTA COUNTY ROSEWOOD PEN, A $30 AMAZON GIFT CERTIFICATE DONATED BY THE DEPARTMENT HEAD FORUM, $20 DUTCH BROS GIFT CERTIFICATE DONATED BY THE SHERIFF'S ADMINISTRATIVE ASSOCIATION, $50. PETE'S BREW HOUSE GIFT CERTIFICATE DONATED BY TEAMSTERS LOCAL. 137 $25 GIFT CERTIFICATE ALSO DONATED BY TEAMSTERS $25 TARGET GIFT CERTIFICATE DONATED BY THE TEAMSTERS LOCAL 137 $35 AMAZON GIFT CERTIFICATE DONATED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS $25 ONE FOR ALL GIFT CERTIFICATE DONATED BY THE UNITED PUBLIC EMPLOYEES OF CALIFORNIA GENERAL BARGAINING UNIT. AND FINALLY, A $25 GIFT CERTIFICATE DONATED BY THE SHASTA COUNTY VETERANS AFFILIATED COUNCIL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF YOU HAVE A FREE HAND AND WE'D LOVE TO GET A PICTURE WITH YOU UP FRONT. [00:15:15] ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO KAREN AND THANK YOU. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. WAITING FOR THE DOORS TO CLOSE. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO OUR TWO PRESENT CERTIFICATES OF [R2 Present Certificates of Recognition to Deputy Probation Officer Gabriella Redelsperger and Deputy Probation Officer Kurtis Hult, which recognize their heroic actions on November 20, 2025 (Sponsored by Supervisor Crye).] RECOGNITION TO DEPUTY PROBATION OFFICER GABBY READ A BOOK. I PRACTICED THIS SO MANY TIMES AND I WAS NAILING IT. RIDDLEBERGER AND DEPUTY PROBATION OFFICER CURTIS HOLT, WHICH RECOGNIZED THE HEROIC ACTIONS ON NOVEMBER 20TH, 2025. THIS IS SPONSORED BY MYSELF. WELCOME, CHIEF NEAL. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR CRYE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. TRACY NEAL, CHIEF PROBATION OFFICER. I'M HONORED TO BE HERE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE DEPUTY PROBATION OFFICERS GABBY RIDDLEBERGER AND CURTIS HOLT FOR THEIR EXEMPLARY SERVICE AND LIFE SAVING ACTIONS. THEY'RE A LOUD GROUP OUT THERE. ON NOVEMBER 20TH, WHILE CONDUCTING ROUTINE SUPERVISION COMPLIANCE CHECKS, OFFICER RIDDLEBERGER AND HOLT CAME UPON A MEDICAL EMERGENCY ON HIGHWAY 273. THEY FOUND AN UNCONSCIOUS MALE ON THE ROADSIDE WITH BYSTANDERS REPORTING RECENT FENTANYL USE. ALTHOUGH THE INDIVIDUAL WAS BREATHING, HE WAS UNRESPONSIVE. ACTING SWIFTLY, OFFICER HOLT ADMINISTERED A DOSE OF DEPARTMENT ISSUED NALOXONE IN PLACE. THE INDIVIDUAL IN THE RECOVERY POSITION. WITHIN SECONDS, THE SUBJECT REGAINED CONSCIOUSNESS, IDENTIFIED HIMSELF, AND IT WAS CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS AN ACTIVE, POST-RELEASE COMMUNITY SUPERVISION OFFENDER WITH OUR DEPARTMENT. MEDICAL PERSONNEL ARRIVED SHORTLY THEREAFTER, ASSESSED HIM, AND CLEARED HIM FROM THE SCENE. THE OFFICERS THEN TRANSPORTED HIM TO THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT FOR A FOLLOW UP WITH HIS SUPERVISING PROBATION OFFICER. THE PROMPT, SKILLED AND PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTED TO SAVING A LIFE. OFFICER RIDDLEBERGER AND HOLT EXEMPLIFY THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF THE SHASTA COUNTY PROBATION DEPARTMENT, AND WE ARE PROUD TO RECOGNIZE THEM TODAY. AND THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR CRYE FOR HOSTING AND SPONSORING THIS EVENT, AND I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THEM UP AND ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR EXEMPLARY, EXEMPLARY WORK. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THESE. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MISS BLANKENSHIP? NO. THEY WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS. THEY MAY NOT. I TOLD THEM THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO, BUT THEY MAY. NO. WE'RE GOOD. WE GET PAID WELL ENOUGH. VERY GOOD. THE CERTIFICATES. [00:20:12] ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT VOTE REALLY QUICK. ON R TWO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. ALL RIGHT R R3 RECEIVE AN UPDATE FROM THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER ON [R3 Receive an update from the County Executive Officer on County issues and consider action on specific legislation related to Shasta County’s legislative platform and receive Supervisors’ reports on countywide issues.] COUNTY ISSUES AND CONSIDER ACTION ON SPECIFIC LEGISLATION RELATED TO SHASTA COUNTY LEGISLATIVE PLATFORM AND RECEIVE SUPERVISORS REPORTS ON COUNTYWIDE ISSUES. WE WILL START WITH CEO RICKERT. GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN CRYE AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. DAVE RICKERT COUNTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER, REPORTING. THESE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS HAVE BEEN PACKED WITH A NUMBER OF OFF SITE ACTIVITIES, SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH MY LIST REAL QUICK HERE. ON NOVEMBER 18TH, WE HAD A STRATEGIC PLANNING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING AND SHASTA WITH SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. NOVEMBER 20TH STRATEGIC PLANNING ENGAGEMENT MEETING. CITY OF REDDING. SUPERVISORS CRYE IN ELLEN LONG. DECEMBER 1ST. ANOTHER PLANNING MEETING, CITY OF ANDERSON WITH CHRIS KELSTROM. AND FINALLY, TO ROUND OUT THE FOURTH AND FINAL STRATEGIC PLANNING ENGAGEMENT ON DECEMBER 3RD AND BERNIE FALL RIVER WITH SUPERVISOR HARMON. THOSE WERE VERY ENGAGING ACTIVITIES. IT'S INTERESTING HOW EACH COMMUNITY HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE VIEW ON THEIR NEEDS AND WANTS, AND I ENCOURAGE OUR SUPERVISORS TO CONTINUE REACHING OUT AND WORKING WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS. AND FINALLY, TWO ADDITIONAL EVENTS. ON DECEMBER 3RD WITH SUPERVISOR KELSTROM, I ATTENDED THE GRAND OPENING OF THE ANDERSON COMPOST FACILITY. AND FINALLY, LAST NIGHT, DECEMBER 8TH, A TOWN HALL MEETING ON TRUE NORTH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CAMPUS PROJECT AT THE DIGNITY HEALTH CONNECTED BUILDING WITH SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. CEO RICKERT WILL START TO MY RIGHT WITH SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. GOOD MORNING AGAIN. A FEW UPDATES. ONE JUST TO BUILD ON WHAT CEO RICKER WAS SHARING ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WE HAVE ALSO OVER THE LAST MONTH BEEN CONDUCTING A SURVEY, WHICH HOPEFULLY MANY OF YOU OR ALL OF YOU FILLED OUT. WE GOT ABOUT 2000, ALMOST 2000 RESPONSES TO THAT. AND SO WE WERE REALLY EXCITED BY THAT PARTICIPATION. AND WE'LL BE HEARING AN UPDATE FROM CONSULTANT HOPE SMITH ON THAT AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING. BASED ON WHAT SHE SHE FOUND ACROSS BOTH THE SURVEY, THE IN-PERSON MEETINGS THAT CO RICKERT MENTIONED, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE MORE ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK. THE, THE OTHER UPDATE THAT I WANTED TO SHARE BUILDS ON THE TOWN HALL WE HAD LAST NIGHT, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM BOTH SIGNATURE HEALTHCARE AS WELL AS ARTS COLLABORATIVE AROUND THIS, THE TRUE NORTH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CAMPUS AND HEAR FROM A PANEL OF TEN INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERTISE RELATED TO THE ISSUE. AND SO IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, WE'LL BE SHARING A RECORDING OF, OF MOST OF THAT IN THE COMING DAYS. SO JUST AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE INFORMED ON THE PROJECT. I ALSO WAS ABLE TO VISIT, WHICH CAME UP IN YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION ON OCTOBER 24TH SIGNATURE HEALTHCARE, WHO'S THE LEAD APPLICANT FOR THAT PROJECT? THEIR FACILITY DOWN IN SANTA ROSA AND TALKED TO THEIR STAFF THERE AND ALSO TO THE SONOMA COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEAM WHO INTERACTS WITH THEM THERE. AND SO THAT WAS A REALLY HELPFUL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE IS THAT THEY RECEIVE FOR THAT FACILITY, AND IT'S MUCH BIGGER THAN THE ONE THAT IS PLANNED HERE AND HAS IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES. BUT THEY HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 140 BEDS AND THEY RECEIVE EVERY DAY 100 REFERRALS AND CAN ONLY TAKE IN TEN AT THAT FACILITY. AND SO JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF KIND OF THE HUGE NEED FOR THESE TYPES OF SERVICES AROUND THE STATE AND IN PARTICULAR IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MORE RECENTLY HAS TO DO WITH AI. AND SO I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND, AS I MENTIONED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING IN AI FORUM WITH THE NATIONAL NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I MET A GROUP CALLED C AYE I THERE THAT WORKS WITH COUNTIES AND OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO COME UP WITH CUSTOM SOLUTIONS. AND SO WE HAD A FEW CONVERSATIONS LAST WEEK, ONE WITH OUR PUBLIC DEFENDER AND DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO SEE IF THERE ARE WAYS WE COULD USE AI TO HELP REDUCE THE THE WORKLOAD BURDEN WE HAD HEARD IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY MEETINGS BACK IN THE SPRING THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE FACING A HUGE WORKLOAD FOR THE STAFF THAT THEY HAVE. SO WE'RE KIND OF EXPLORING SOME OPTIONS THERE. AND THEN ALSO WITH OUR HHS TEAM AND SOCIAL SERVICES TEAM, WHICH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS ALSO LOOKING FOR WAYS TO BE STRATEGIC ABOUT DEPLOYING RESOURCES GIVEN THE CURRENT CHALLENGES AROUND CASH FLOW. [00:25:04] AND SO WE CAME UP WITH A NUMBER OF IDEAS, A LOT MORE WORK TO DO TO EXPLORE THOSE, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THAT. AND THEN ONE KIND OF FINAL UPDATE. AND THEN A QUICK MOTION THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH CHIEF BARNER FROM THE REDDING POLICE DEPARTMENT. AS SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING, THE CITY COUNCIL HAD A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE CURRENT PRACTICE OF PUTTING FOLKS WHO ARE HOMELESS IN MOTELS AND HOTELS AROUND IN PARTICULAR, DOWNTOWN REDDING. THE CITY COUNCIL IS TAKING SOME ACTION THERE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN LOOKING INTO MORE IS UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PAYER, WHICH IN MOST CASES IS PARTNERSHIP HEALTH PLAN. YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE OUTCOMES THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY GETTING IN TERMS OF BOTH THE, THIS SERVICE OF PAYING FOR SIX MONTHS FOR SOMEONE TO BE IN A MOTEL, HOW OFTEN ARE THEY GETTING INTO PERMANENT HOUSING? WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AT THE REDDING CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND THEN SECONDARILY, THERE'S A VERY INCREASINGLY COMMON SERVICE CALLED ENHANCED CASE MANAGEMENT ECM THAT IN A LOT OF WAYS IS REALLY HELPFUL. BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS DELIVERING OUTCOMES AND HELPING MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH THE HOUSING CONTINUUM. SO THERE WILL BE MORE CONVERSATIONS ON THAT IN THE NEW YEAR. HOPEFULLY, AS WE WE CONTINUE TO DRIVE TOWARDS ENSURING THAT THOSE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES WE HAVE ARE EFFECTIVE. THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS END. I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE WANTED TO DO THIS INTENTIONALLY BEFORE WE SELECT THE CHAIR FOR THE NEXT YEAR IS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND POLICY ONE DASH 101, RULE SEVEN, WHICH WOULD LET ANY BOARD MEMBER PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA A VOTING ITEM ON THE AGENDA WITHOUT NEEDING THE APPROVAL OF THE CHAIR. I THINK WE'RE ALL ELECTED TO BRING FORTH ISSUES FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND WE SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. AND SO I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION THAT STAFF BRING BACK FOR CONSIDERATION A AN AMENDMENT TO THAT POLICY. I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. YEAH. SO DID YOU HAVE A PREVIOUS MOTION TO THAT AS WELL? YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT. AND YOUR MOTION IS TO HAVE STAFF BRING IT BACK. AND STEPHANIE IS THAT IS THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SAME ONE WAS LAST YEAR. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN JUST BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION. I THINK. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. THAT WAS DRAMATIC. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. RODEO WEEK. WE WE ALL WORE COWBOY HATS. THIS IS NATIONAL FINALS WEEK, AND YEAH, IT'S A PRETTY BIG, PRETTY. IT'S LIKE SUPER BOWL OF RODEO. SO ANYWAY, IT'S IT'S EVERY NIGHT FOR TEN, TEN NIGHTS. AND IF YOU'RE REALLY BORED OR IF YOU JUST LIKE THE GAME. YOU CAN WATCH IT CLEAR THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT. EVERY NIGHT, TEN, TEN, TEN RODEOS. CAN'T GET ENOUGH ANYWAYS ON SEVERAL TIMES. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP FROM SUPERVISOR KELSTROM DEALING WITH SOME ISSUES IN. BERNIE MADE A COUPLE TRIPS UP THERE. AND AND SEAN EWING ATTENDED AS WELL. AND, AND I JUST APPRECIATE THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE THAT DOES WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO WHENEVER THEY NEED TO DO IT. AND IT'S AND THAT THAT'S AS, AS TRUE AS FAR AS THE TOWN HALL MEETING, THAT TOWN HALL MEETING, I CALLED IT A TOWN HALL MEETING. IT WAS SETH HOPES IT WAS MY TOWN HALL MEETING, BUT IT WAS SETH HOPES STRATEGIC PLAN. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING. HOPE SOUTH. SORRY. STANDING IN THE BACK THERE, BEING QUIET. TRYING NOT TO BE RECOGNIZED, BUT I. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT SHE'S DONE FOR THE COUNTY. AND IN THAT MEETING UP THERE WAS WE HAD SEAN EWING, TROY BARTHOLOMEW, DAVE RICKERT, NOEL DE SHORT JOSH THE, THE PANEL, IT WAS AMAZING THAT THE SUPPORT THAT WE HAD UP THERE AND THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED. AND I APPRECIATE THAT WORK. AND ON THE, THE SECOND CHAMBER MEETING IN PALO CEDRO, A LOT OF THAT WAS SET UP FOR COUNTRY CHRISTMAS. IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE, YOU MISSED IT IF YOU DIDN'T GO TO IT THIS YEAR. BUT THE COUNTRY CHRISTMAS IN PALO CEDRO IS PRETTY PHENOMENAL. THERE'S A HUGE TURNOUT. AND IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT, DO IT USUALLY ON FRIDAY NIGHT. [00:30:01] IT WAS LAST FRIDAY NIGHT. SO MARK THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR. AND THEN ON THE FOURTH, WE HAD OUR LAFCO MEETING AT SHASTA LAKE CHAMBERS. I'LL LET SUPERVISOR KELSTROM TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT THE WE DID ELECT BRENDA HAINES AS THE NEW A NEW MEMBER ON THAT BOARD. AND THEN ON THE 19TH COMING UP SUPERVISOR KELSTROM ARE GOING TO I'M BRINGING UP THE WOLVES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING AWAY. AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO ATTEND TO AN EVENT IN, IN SACRAMENTO, IN SACRAMENTO REGARDING THAT. AND THEN I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT IT THERE. SO DON'T FORGET RODEO NIGHT EVERY NIGHT. THANK YOU. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. ALL RIGHT. AFTER OUR LAST MEETING ON THE 18TH, I WENT TO THE ANDERSON CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND THEN THE NEXT DAY WE HAD A COFFEE WITH ANDERSON COPS. CHIEF OLIVER COLLINS, IT'S A GREAT WAY TO GET OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THE FIRST TIME I WENT TO COFFEE WITH THE COPS, IT WAS WITH THE CHIEF. OUR SHERIFF NOW WAS A. MICHAEL JOHNSON HELD IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE STARTED IT OR NOT, BUT IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. IT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, LET THEM ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, BE A BE A GOOD THING TO RUN INTO A COP. SO AND THEN THAT NIGHT, I HAD A ENTERPRISE ANDERSON GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY AGENCY WORKSHOP AT THE MCCONNELL RANCH OUT IN SHASTA VIEW. I'M ON THAT BOARD. SO I KIND OF IT WAS KIND OF JUST REHASHING, LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT WE HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY ON THE BOARD MEETING. AND THEN I HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING AS A CEO RICKERT ALLUDED TO IN ANDERSON. SO AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND I HOPE SETH WAS THERE AND IT WAS GREAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR WE HAD NO SHORT WAS THERE AND TROY AND JOHN WERE BOTH THERE FROM PUBLIC WORKS. SO WE WERE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, GET SOME INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN THE, THE WEEKEND OF THANKSGIVING, WE HAD THE LIGHTED CHRISTMAS TREE PARADE THING OR LIGHTED CHRISTMAS TREE EVENT IN COTTONWOOD. AND THE NEXT NIGHT ON SUNDAY WE HAD IT IN ANDERSON. SO BOTH OF THOSE EVENTS WERE REALLY GOOD. AND THEN AGAIN, I ATTENDED ANOTHER ANDERSON CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHICH IT WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE WE WENT AND DID THE RIBBON CUTTING AT THE WASTE MANAGEMENT THING. SO I GOT TO HEAR ONE MORE LAST COMPLAINT ABOUT THE THE GREEN WASTE CONTAINERS THAT NOBODY UP HERE REALLY WANTS. SO BEFORE WE WENT DOWN THERE AND THAT AGAIN, TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THIS GREEN WASTE IS NOT A COUNTY IDEA. IT'S NOT A WASTE MANAGEMENT IDEA. THIS IS A STATE OF CALIFORNIA. IT'S ONE, ONE MORE UNFUNDED UNFUNDED DEMAND FROM THEM THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS THING. WASTE MANAGEMENT FORTUNATELY TOOK IT OFF THE COUNTY'S HANDS AND WENT AHEAD AND DID THE INVESTMENT INTO THIS RECYCLING COMPOST PROJECT. $10 MILLION. THEY INVESTED $10 MILLION IN THIS THING TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. SO ONCE AGAIN, SAVING THE PLANET ONE BANANA PEEL AT A TIME. AND THEN I HAD A LAFCO MEETING UP IN THE CITY OF SHASTA LAKE, SUPERVISOR HARMON ALLUDED TO. AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO CHIEF O'HARE AND BRYCE. THEY WERE BOTH THERE. AND IT WAS A, IT, IT WAS AN EXCITING MEETING, BUT THE NEXT MEETING OUGHT TO BE EVEN MORE EXCITING. I WOULD THINK SO. WE ARE DEALING WITH SOME ISSUES UP IN BOERNE. AND SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE FEBRUARY MEETING. AND THEN YESTERDAY I HAD THE ANDERSON SENIOR CENTER BREAKFAST. SHOUT OUT TO TRISH CLARK. SHE DOES AN AMAZING JOB AT THAT ANDERSON SENIOR CENTER. SHE'S WORKED ON THAT TIRELESSLY AND IT'S A, IT'S QUITE AN EVENT. AND THEN LAST NIGHT I WENT TO CALIFORNIA FISH AND WILDLIFE DEER PLAN MEETING IN OVER AT SHASTA COLLEGE. AND I SHOULD HAVE INVITED YOU. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTED, BUT LISTENING TO THEM AND SOME OF THEIR PLANS AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DID TOUCH ON PREDATION, BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THERE REALIZE THAT THE PREDATION IS MUCH BIGGER CONCERN FOR THE DEER POPULATION THAN EVEN HABITAT OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY ALLUDED TO? YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY CALIFORNIA VOTERS BANNED TO EXTEND THE BAN ON MOUNTAIN LION HUNTING SEVERAL A COUPLE DECADES AGO. THEN THEY VOTED TO NOT HUNT BEARS WITH HOUNDS, WHICH WE HAVE NOT REACHED OUR QUOTA EVER SINCE THEY'VE DONE THAT. AND NOW WE'VE REINTRODUCED THE WOLVES. SO WHAT COULD GO WRONG? SO THE DEER POPULATION IS SUFFERING. IRONICALLY, MORE OF THEM LIVE IN TOWN NOW THAN THEY DO OUT IN THE WOODS BECAUSE THERE'S LESS PREDATORS IN TOWN. BUT OF COURSE THERE'S MORE CARS IN TOWN, SO THERE'S MORE FATALITY. AND THE ONES THAT ARE NEAR TOWN. SO ANYWAYS, IT WAS A, IT WAS A GOOD MEETING. AND I WAS KIND OF A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM SACRAMENTO THERE TELLING US HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MANAGE OUR DEER HERDS. BUT IN STAYING AFTERWARDS, TALKING, TALKED WITH A GENTLEMAN THAT ACTUALLY LIVED IN PALO CEDRO. AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THERE WERE LOCAL. SO THAT MADE ME FEEL A LOT BETTER. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. SUPERVISOR LONG THANK YOU CHAIR. WELCOME, EVERYONE. IT'S GREAT TO SEE EVERYONE HERE. I ATTENDED A SHASTA COUNTY FIRE SAFE COUNCIL BOARD MEETING, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING IS THEY ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING A [00:35:03] STRATEGIC VISION PLAN, SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON WITH THE COUNTY. THAT'S EXCITING NEWS FOR FOR THE FIRE SAFE COUNCIL AND SUPERVISOR PLUMMER ALREADY SPOKE AT THESE AT LENGTH. SO I WILL NOT GO INTO GREAT DETAIL, BUT WE ATTENDED A STRATEGIC VISION PLANNING TO KIND OF WE'RE KIND OF WRAPPING UP THE COUNTY'S VISION PLANNING, AND WE'LL BE COMING FORWARD NEXT WEEK WITH THE PRESENTATION. AND THEN WE'VE GOT A TIMELINE GOING INTO JANUARY. I ATTENDED THE TOWN HALL MEETING LAST NIGHT FOR THE TRUE NORTH PROJECT. IT WAS GREAT INFORMATION PANEL OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. SO THAT WAS GOOD TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE. I MET WITH JONATHAN ANDERSON FROM THE GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION, THE CEO, AND STARTED THAT RELATIONSHIP AND CONVERSATION. I HAD NOT MET WITH HIM PERSONALLY PRIVATELY PRIOR TO THIS. SO IT WAS IT WAS A GREAT, GREAT KICKOFF THERE. I ATTENDED A AND I HELD OFF REPORTING ON THIS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, BUT I ATTENDED A SYLVIA LANE ABATEMENT PROJECT, WHICH WAS OUT OFF AIRPORT ROAD BEHIND FROZEN GOURMET FOODS AND QUITE A MESS WITH ALL KINDS OF SQUATTERS ON THE PROPERTY AND ABOUT 6 TO 8 TRAILERS. AND I HAD HOPED TO REPORT BACK THE RESULTS OF THAT ABATEMENT HEARING, BUT THEY'RE NOT RELEASED YET, SO I THOUGHT I'D REPORT OUT ON THIS, BUT SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM OUT THERE. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MAKE PROGRESS THROUGH THE ABATEMENT HEARING. IT WAS, IT WAS A PLEASURE TO ATTEND THAT AND OBSERVE. AND OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM IS DOING AN AWESOME JOB, BY THE WAY. TAKING THESE, GETTING THESE TO HEARINGS. THEY HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES AND BUDGETS AND SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. WITH THE HELP IN MY DISTRICT I ATTENDED THE ANNUAL EGO CHRISTMAS PARADE AND OUT, OUT IN EGO. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS AWESOME. A LOT OF FUN. A LOT OF JOHN DEERE TRACTORS. BUT SO GOT TO, GOT TO WORK ON THAT AND GOT TO MEET A LOT OF FOLKS OUT IN IDAHO AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHRISTMAS PARADE OUT IN ONO COMING UP. I THINK IT'S THIS SUNDAY, I HAVE TO CHECK MY CALENDAR, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO ATTENDING THAT AS WELL. AND GETTING TO, GETTING TO HEAR THE CONCERNS OF FOLKS OUT IN IDAHO. AND, AND I GOT, I HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ATTENDING THIS PARADE. SO IT WAS GREAT. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR LONG. ALL RIGHT. SO NO PARTICULAR ORDER. I ATTENDED A COUPLE OF PRE-OPENING EVENTS AT THE READING PUBLIC MARKET. EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A PRIVATE ENTITY, I WANT TO REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN DISTRICT ONE, IT IS DOWNTOWN. THERE IS A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS ABOUT PARKING, ETC.. I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO DOWN AND AT LEAST CHECK IT OUT. IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT IT'S NOT SO MUCH JUST ABOUT THE BUSINESSES, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT'S GONE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF DOWNTOWN. AND I THINK IT WARRANTS EVERYBODY'S JUST FRESH EYES TO LOOK AT IT. IT'S, I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD THING. AND I AM EXCITED TO SEE JUST BUSINESS FLOURISH ANY KIND OF BUSINESS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO DOWN THERE AND CHECK IT OUT IF YOU HAVEN'T CHECKED IT OUT YET. I ATTENDED A SIGNING AT UPREP FOR AUDREY BURKE, HER PARENTS OFFICER BURGE OF RPD AND MRS. BURGE, THE I THINK SHE'S AN ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT OF SHASTA UNION HIGH SCHOOL, BUT THEIR DAUGHTER HAS COMMITTED TO UNIVERSITY. TEXAS. TEXAS. AT DALLAS. I HIGHLIGHT THAT NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A DISTRICT ONE THING, BUT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO. I WATCHED HER AND I COACHED HER LIKE IN, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT WAS LIKE SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH GRADE IN SOCCER AND TIME FLIES. AND I JUST WANTED TO CELEBRATE HER AND HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL I MET WITH THE NEW DIRECTOR OF THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE COALITION AT THE NEW INCOMING DIRECTOR. THAT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION. A LOT OF THAT CONVERSATION CENTERED AROUND PREVENTION. I THINK MOST OF THE EFFORTS THAT I TEND TO TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE OPIOID DOLLARS IS ABOUT PREVENTION AND NOT JUST ABOUT PROGRAMING AS IT SITS NOW. I WAS IN CSAC LAST WEEK, WHICH IS THE CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES WITH SOME STAFF AS WELL AS SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. I ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH DOUG BOND AND DOUG BOND. IF YOU REMEMBER, HE'S THE CEO OF AMITY FOUNDATION AND I THROUGH OUR TWO TWO LUNCHES AND MEETING IN BETWEEN SESSIONS. REALLY, THE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE AN OVERABUNDANCE OF COMMUNICATION AND PEOPLE [00:40:01] THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE PROGRAM. AGAIN, HE IS THE CEO OF THE ORGANIZATION FIRST CEO. THAT WAS NOT THE FOUNDER. AND I THINK HE'S BEEN THERE. I WANT TO SAY 7 OR 8 YEARS, BUT THE FIRST 35 YEARS WERE BY THE FOUNDERS, AND HE ACTUALLY WAS THE FIRST CHILD THAT WAS IN THE PROGRAM WITH HIS PARENTS WHO WERE GOING THROUGH IT THEMSELVES. AND THEN IN HIS EARLY, EARLY 20S, HE WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE PROGRAM. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT'S VERY HOMEGROWN, AND I SAID, I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS BRINGING PEOPLE UP WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS BEEN THROUGH AMITY FOUNDATION AND THEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE SHERIFF BECAUSE ONE THING I DIDN'T LIKE IN OUR PAST MEETING IS WE HAD A GROUP HERE, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND WE WANTED TO MEET WITH THEM. WE DIDN'T. THEY'VE CANCELED A COUPLE OF TIMES, WHICH IS FINE. THAT'S UP TO THEM. BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY IS BROUGHT ALONG AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. AND AGAIN WHETHER PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THINGS OR NOT, THIS BOARD OR ANY BORDER COUNCIL CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE WELL INFORMED ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. THERE WAS A PRESS RELEASE YESTERDAY SENT OUT BY DOCTOR NORM HALL OF SIMPSON UNIVERSITY, DOCTOR DHANUKA, DOCTOR IRENE SALTER AND OTHERS THAT ARE ON THAT COMMITTEE. AND I WILL TELL YOU THE TRACTION FOR IMPROVING MEDICAL CARE OR THE ACTUAL MEDICAL SCHOOL ITSELF IS REALLY, REALLY GAINING MOMENTUM. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU CHECKING OUT THAT PRESS RELEASE THAT WAS SENT OUT. I'M NOT SURE I, I GAVE A STATEMENT FOR IT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUTLETS IT WENT TO, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHECK THAT OUT. AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANT TO HIT ON, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY NOTES FOR THAT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO TURN MY CLOCK OFF, PLEASE, STEPHANIE, REALLY QUICK. I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS PRETTY QUICK, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. BECAUSE ONE THING I'VE LEARNED IN POLITICS IS, IS IF I DON'T GET SOMETHING OUT, MOST OF OUR GARBAGE MEDIA WILL DO IT FOR ME. I IF YOU'RE A MALE IN YOUR 40S THERE'S A TEST THAT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GET DONE AT 45, MAYBE 50. I'M 49. I WENT AND GOT THAT TEST YESTERDAY. IT REVEALED I HAVE A TUMOR. IT I WON'T KNOW UNTIL TOMORROW OR THURSDAY IF I'M IF IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE RADIATION AND CHEMO, BUT IT DOES ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO COME OUT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU NOT INVADING MY FAMILY OR MY PRIVACY. THE ONLY REASON I WANTED TO BRING IT UP HERE IS BECAUSE I KNOW IN MY POSITION, ONCE IT GETS OUT, AND I WANTED TO CONTROL THOSE RUMORS MYSELF, SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS. BUT LIKE THIS AND MOST THINGS IN MY LIFE, I WILL BEAT IT AND I WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. WITH THAT. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR FIVE, WHICH IS NOW OUR FOUR. MR. CURTIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP, PLEASE? THANK YOU FOR MOVING THIS UP FOR ME. I DON'T USUALLY LIKE TO CUT IN LINE, BUT IT'S REALLY HELPFUL THIS TIME. WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL ELECTION. IT WAS MUCH BIGGER THAN WE EXPECTED. WE EXPECTED LIKE 30,000 PEOPLE OR SOMETHING FOR A LITTLE NOTHING ELECTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THROWN IN IT REAL FAST. BUT WE GOT 65,000. A BIG ELECTION IN SHASTA COUNTY IS 95,000. SO WE HIT ABOUT 75% WHAT WE USUALLY DID. AND WE ROLLED OUT A TON OF CHANGES. WE MADE IT SO EVERYBODY COULD SEE EVERYTHING. IN FACT, YOU STILL CAN. IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. YOU GO THERE, YOU CAN WATCH EVERY BALLOT BEFORE IT EVER TOUCHES THE MACHINE. SO WE BROUGHT IN STAFF FROM BOTH SIDES AND EVERYBODY WORKED TOGETHER VERY WELL. IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. I FIGURED WE'D GET A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK, BUT REALLY NOT THAT MUCH. PEOPLE FOUND OUT THERE WERE NO MONSTERS. IT WAS REALLY KIND OF EASY. SO ON ELECTION NIGHT PREVIOUSLY, THEY HAD 6 TO 8 SECURITY GUARDS THERE CONSTANTLY. AND THERE WERE STILL, YOU KNOW, ARGUMENTS AND THINGS AS THEY WERE STUCK BEHIND THE SPIKED FENCE. WELL, THE SPIKE FENCE CAME DOWN AND WE HAD NO SECURITY GUARDS AND WE HAD NO PROBLEMS. NOT ONE, NOT AN ARGUMENT, NO YELLING MATCHES, NOTHING. IT'S KIND OF AMAZING. WE'RE HERE TODAY TO ACTUALLY DO THE CERTIFICATION. NOW, THIS USED TO MEAN SOMETHING WHEN I CERTIFIED. AND WHEN YOU CERTIFIED, IT NOW MEANS NOTHING. IT'S ALL CONSIDERED MINISTERIAL NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE UP HERE BASICALLY FOR A SHOW, WHICH I DISAGREE WITH, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THEY'VE GONE. SO WE'RE HERE TO CERTIFY THE ELECTION. BASICALLY IT WAS IT WAS 70% NO FOR PROP 50 29.07 YES. MEASURE A 64.71 AND FOR NO. AND 35.25 FOR FOR YES. SO BOTH OF THEM FAILED IN THIS COUNTY. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW PLACES THAT ACTUALLY MATCHED THE VOTING PLACES, YOUR VOTING PERCENTAGES. SO BECAUSE WE CHECKED THAT TOO. [00:45:02] SO I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOU TO CERTIFY THE RESULTS. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT. SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND. MISS BLANKENSHIP. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? ONE MOMENT. YES WE DO. WE HAVE TEN SPEAKERS, CHAIR. SO IT'LL BE TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER. MR. CURTIS, WILL YOU SIT? RIGHT IN BETWEEN MISS BURTON AND STEWART. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. SITTING WHERE YOU WANT. FIRST UP, BEV, FOLLOWED BY DOLORES LUCERO, STEVE CONN, THEN CHRISTIAN GARDNER. GOOD MORNING. I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE IN THE CERTIFICATION OF THIS ELECTION. CLINT DID EVERYTHING HE POSSIBLY COULD DO TO MAKE THIS ELECTION ACCURATE. THE CLINTONS TRANSPARENCY WAS AMAZING. THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WAS LIKE NOTHING WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE. HE HAD SECURITY THAT HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR YEARS. HE HAS MORE INTEGRITY IN HIS LITTLE FINGERNAIL THAN SOME PEOPLE HAVE IN THEIR WHOLE BODY. I ADVISE YOU TO READ THE 15 PAGE LETTER THAT CLINT SENT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE. PEOP PEOPLE SAYING IT IS BS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. DID THEY OBSERVE PRIOR ELECTIONS AND DID THEY OBSERVE THIS ELECTION? THERE'S NO COMPARISON. I TOTALLY BELIEVE FROM LOOKING AT THE RESULTS OF PROP 50 FOR SHASTA COUNTY COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE STATE THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR US HAVING A LEGITIMATE ELECTION. IT'S A LEGITIMATE AS POSSIBLE. WE STILL HAVE THE DIRTY VOTER ROLLS AND BECAUSE OF THE LAWS, CLINT CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT THAT. I THINK CLINT HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, DOLORES LUCERO FOLLOWED BY STEVE CONN, CHRISTIAN GARDNER, THEN BEN N SOUNDS LIKE BEN DRANK THE KOOL-AID. THE ELECTION DEPARTMENT. CLINT CURTIS FOR YOU TO CERTIFY THIS, THESE BALLOTS OR ANY ELECTION THAT HE ACTUALLY DID, IT'S ACTUALLY A VOTE NEEDS TO BE A VOID BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW MAYBE I KNOW THE VOTE'S GOING TO BE THREE, 3 TO 2. AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO FRUSTRATING WHEN I GET UP HERE. BUT HE ACTUALLY IS A LIAR, A MANIPULATOR. HE. HE DID SEND A LETTER TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE, BUT HE NEVER REPORTED THAT HIS CAR GOT VANDALIZED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANYBODY. BUT YET HE'S MAKING FALSE ALLEGATIONS, AS WE KNOW, HE'S ALREADY A LIAR. HE MADE STATEMENTS IN THE PAST WHERE WE CAUGHT HIM IN LIES, SO WE CAN'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH. ON MARCH THE 5TH, 2024, THE ELECTION WHEN WE HAD AN ELECTION, ALL THE BALLOTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WERE GATHERED BY THESE PEOPLE, LAURA HUB, PATTY PLUM AND DOWN, THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE COLLECTED. THOSE BALLOTS ARE INVALID BECAUSE WE WERE NOT A CHARTER UNTIL 2025. THAT MEANS 2024. THIS IS ABOUT THE CERTIFICATION I KNOW. HOW CAN YOU CERTIFICATE CERTIFY THE ELECTION WHEN IT'S ALL THE BALLOTS ARE NEEDS TO BE A VOID BECAUSE WE WERE NOT A CHARTER TO 2025. SO HOW CAN YOU DO THAT? THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO START FROM SCRATCH TO GATHER THEIR SIGNATURES. SO THEREFORE INCLUDING THEY TAMPERED WITH THEIR BALLOTS. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. THEY TAMPER. THAT'S A FELONY BECAUSE LAURA HUB, PATTY PLUMMER, THEY ALL WENT OUT THERE AND GATHERED ALL THE SIGNATURES. SO THEREFORE AND THEN THEY WENT IN THERE TO GO WORK AND OVERSEE THE BALLOTS. SO THEREFORE THEY TAMPERED BECAUSE THEY OVERSEE THE BALLOTS, THEY GATHER SIGNATURES FOR. SO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CERTIFY. I WILL BE GLAD FOR TO SEE YOU CERTIFIED, BECAUSE THAT WILL FALL ON YOU COMMITTING A FELONY. SO YOU CANNOT VOTE ON THIS. STEVE KHAN FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIAN GARDNER, BEN N THEN DAVID HALLIGAN. IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. MORNING BOARD STAFF, COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I MADE A COUPLE OF VISITS TO THE ELECTIONS OFFICE DURING THE LAST ELECTION AND OBSERVED CHANGES THAT OCCURRED WITHIN THE OFFICE ALSO WENT ONLINE AND VIEWED THE VIDEO THAT WAS AVAILABLE. THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS BY THE ROV AND THE ASSISTANT ROV ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, AND THAT THE CITIZENS COULD OBSERVE THE ELECTIONS VIA CAMERA, AND IN OTHER WAYS, THAT MADE IT MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT. BUT WHAT I FOUND WAS VIDEOS WERE ALL BUT WORTHLESS AS FAR AS THE SECURITY. THERE WERE MANY DIFFERENT TIMES THAT THE BALLOTS WERE BEING TRANSFERRED OR MOVED OR HANDLED THAT ARE NOT EASILY VIEWED, IF AT ALL. THE HANDLING OF THE BALLOTS WAS IN QUESTION IN SO MANY WAYS. [00:50:01] THE VIDEOS WERE INCOMPLETE AND THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH. THERE WAS NOT ACCURATE ENOUGH VIDEO TO REALLY DO A GOOD JOB OF DETERMINING THAT THINGS WERE BEING DONE PROPERLY. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY ADVANTAGE TO THE VIDEOS AT ALL IN THE WAY THAT THEY WERE DONE. MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT CAUSED THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IN PRIOR ELECTIONS WERE. AND WERE INAPPROPRIATELY TRYING TO ACCESS DIFFERENT AREAS, CAUSING DISRUPTIONS. WERE ACTUALLY HIRED BY THE NEW ROV, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM HAVE ADVOCATED TO. THIS BOARD TO VIOLATE STATE ELECTION LAW AND THE STATE AND FEDERAL CONSTITUTION. I BELIEVE IT'S OBVIOUS THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT POSITION CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH HANDLING OUR BALLOTS LEGALLY. BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY OUR APPOINTED ROV SAW IT. I TRULY DO NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE BALLOTS AND THE BALLOT PROCESS AS IT WAS HANDLED. I'VE BEEN VOTING IN SHASTA COUNTY FOR 52 YEARS. IN THAT TIME, I HAVE NEVER HAD A LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN THE ELECTION SYSTEM UNTIL NOW. IN ORDER TO HAVE OUR ELECTION SYSTEM AGAIN BECOME RELIABLE. THE CURRENT ROV MUST BE REPLACED. I SUPPOSE WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. THANK YOU. GARDNER. FOLLOWED BY. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU. THEN DAVID HALLIGAN, DEBBIE KAY, THEN JENNY. IF I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY THIS ELECTION SHOULD BE QUESTIONED. YOUR JOB IS TO SIMPLY CERTIFY. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT PERHAPS YOU SHOULD DO SO UNDER DURESS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MR. CRYE AND JONES JUST LOVE TO DO. YOU KNOW, CURTIS HAS A STUNNING. HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED. HE HAS A STUNNING LACK OF RELEVANT EXPERIENCE OTHER THAN, WELL, I VOTED AND I KNOW HOW TO HACK VOTING MACHINES. BEAUTIFUL. CLINT'S MEMBERSHIP AND VOTING IN A NON DEMOCRATIC. IN FACT, A CONFEDERATE ORGANIZATION THAT WANTS TO SECEDE FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA BECAUSE THEY SAY EVERYTHING WE DO IS ILLEGAL. THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS NOT VALID. YOU CAN BREAK THE LAW. WHAT KIND OF NONSENSE IS THAT? ELECTION LAWYERS, INCLUDING PATTY PLUM. YOU KNOW, THE FAMOUS PATTY PLUM WHO PROCLAIMS THAT THE EARTH IS. THIS IS ABOUT THE CERTIFICATION, AND THIS IS WHY YOU CAN'T TRUST IT. OKAY. THE EARTH IS POPULATED BY REPTILIANS. THAT WAS PART OF MEASURE AYE. YEAH. THAT WAS THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY A FANTASTIC VIDEO. KEVIN. YOU SHOULD WATCH IT. HOBBS, THREE TIME LOSER WHO IS SUING. WELL, SHE'S ON THE AGENDA AGAIN. NOT TOO SURE. SHASTA COUNTY. ELECTION LIARS. DECEIVERS NOW RUNNING RAMPANT IN OUR ELECTION DEPARTMENT. MULTIPLE STAFF COMPLAINTS LOSING POSSIBLY ABOUT HALF OF THE THE OFFICE. YEAH. GO AHEAD AND CERTIFY UNDER DURESS. THANK YOU. BEN, COME ON UP. AND THEN FOLLOWED BY DAVID HALLIGAN, DEBBIE. KAY, JENNY, THEN ANTONIA. SO THIS ELECTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY EASY. LIKE THIS WAS THIS WAS A REALLY EASY ELECTION. THERE WAS TWO ITEMS ON THE BALLOT AND ONE FOR MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY. SO I WANT TO START WITH YOU KNOW, CURTIS'S STATEMENT EARLIER ABOUT THERE BEING NO ARGUMENTS. THAT IS INCORRECT. I WAS THERE, I WAS A WITNESS, A REPRESENTATIVE FOR DOUG LAMALFA WAS ALLOWED TO ROAM FREE NEAR THE TABULATORS. AND AN ARGUMENT ENSUED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY HE HAS TO OBFUSCATE LIKE SIMPLE TRUTHS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT MAKING EVERYTHING LOOK GOOD. IT'S ABOUT DOING THE JOB PROPERLY. THERE WAS NO OBSERVATION OF SIGNATURE VERIFICATION. I KNOW I'VE OBSERVED AT FOUR DIFFERENT ELECTIONS AND THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE. I COULDN'T SEE ANY SIGNATURE VERIFICATION. WHEN WE ASKED ABOUT IT. WE WERE GIVEN SORT OF NON-ANSWERS ABOUT IT HAPPENING EARLIER OR LATER, OR IT NEVER WAS CLEARLY DEFINED AS WHEN THIS PROCESS WAS HAPPENING. WHEN BEFORE YOU YOU COULD WATCH IT HAPPEN. SO YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO THERE'S JUST, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS ELECTION. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WEIRD. THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH I GUESS APPROVING IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE STAKES ARE RELATIVELY LOW IN THIS CASE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NEXT TIME. AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE AS A CITIZEN OF SHASTA COUNTY. NEXT UP, DAVID HALLIGAN, FOLLOWED BY DEBBIE KAY, JENNY ANTONIA, THEN LAURA HOBBS. GOOD MORNING BOARD. LET'S LOOK AT THE IMPLEMENTATION AND THE RESULTS. [00:55:01] SWITCH TO PAPER POLL BOOKS. MR. CURTIS DECISION TO DO AWAY WITH DIGITAL CHECK IN PROCESS. POLL WORKERS REPORTED WAIT TIMES ON AN ELECTION HOTLINE OF UP TO 20 MINUTES TO VERIFY VOTER INFORMATION. REPORTING DELAY. MR. CURTIS FAILED TO SUBMIT HIS IS REQUIRED. REPORT OF UNPROCESSED BALLOTS TO THE CALIFORNIA SECRETARY OF STATE OFFICE BY THE LEGAL DEADLINE OF NOVEMBER 6TH. CURTIS STATED THIS WAS BECAUSE EXISTING STAFF DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT, AND HE LACKED THE SYSTEM LOG ONS OVERESTIMATING REMAINING BALLOTS. ON THE NOVEMBER 7TH REPORT, CURTIS ESTIMATED 40,898 BALLOTS REMAINING TO BE COUNTED. HOWEVER, THAT ESTIMATE WAS OVERSTATED BY OVER 18,000 BALLOTS. WHY? CURTIS CLAIMS IT WAS CAUSED BY COUNTY ELECTION STAFF USING AN EYEBALL ESTIMATE, RESULTING IN A SIGNIFICANT DISCREPANCY. THERE YOU GO. MR. CURTIS, WAY TO TAKE OWNERSHIP. AND NOW TO THE RESULTS. AS YOU KNOW, SUPERVISORS, I UPDATED YOU EVERY DAY WITH THE COUNTY PROGRESS TOWARDS THE 100% COMPLETION OF BALLOTS COUNTED ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 25TH. ON MY EMAIL TO YOU, I WROTE, WOW, WHAT A MOVE BY THE STATE. THERE ARE 42 COUNTIES, 100% PROCESSED ON BALLOTS. AGAIN, SHASTA COUNTY FALLS FURTHER BEHIND. WE ARE NOW 21 DAYS DOWN THE ROAD PAST THE NOVEMBER 4TH ELECTION, AND THIS COUNTY IS NOT CLOSE TO COMPLETION. END OF EMAIL. HEY, WHAT ABOUT THE 1% MANUAL PING PONG SNAFU? MR. CURTIS DIDN'T GIVE THE FIVE DAY PROPER NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC AS REQUIRED BY ELECTION LAW WHEN HE MADE THE CHANGE DATE TO NOVEMBER 17TH. SUPERVISORS $136,000. YOU APPROVED AND WAS SPENT BY ROV CURTIS. REMEMBER, HE NEEDED THOSE EXTRA MACHINES FOR SPEED. FOR SPEED. THE MACHINES WERE NOT NEEDED. WHAT WAS NEEDED WAS BETTER PROCESSES AND EMPLOYEE DIRECTION WERE NEEDED. THE GOLD STANDARD. TIMELY RESULTS. MAYBE NEXT TIME. THANK YOU. DEBBIE K FOLLOWED BY JENNY. ANTONIA, THEN LAURA HOBBS. GOOD MORNING. MORNING. SO I WAS AN OBSERVER THERE, AND I'M JUST GOING TO TRY TO COMPLETE WHAT I HAD WRITTEN BEFORE MY, ONE OF THE OBSERVATIONS I MADE, THERE WAS A LOT OF DOWNTIME, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST WEEK WITH THE EXTRA HELP JUST SITTING AROUND AND NO WORK BEING DONE. I ASKED ASSISTANT ROV BRANT TURNER A FEW QUESTIONS ON WHAT THE STEPS WERE IN THE PROCESS IN THIS NEW PROCESS, AND HIS RESPONSE WAS HE WOULD NOT FALL INTO A TRAP AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. I EXPLAINED IN THE PAST, WHEN OBSERVING THERE WERE PERSONNEL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON WHAT ACTIVITY TOOK PLACE. THERE WERE NO BALLOT PROCESSING DONE FOR SEVERAL DAYS. IT RESUMED ON 11, 12, 11, 14. THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF CONFUSION ON WHEN TO PERFORM THE 1% MANUAL TALLY. IT STARTED WITH THE BALL DROP ON 1112 AROUND 11 IN THE MORNING. CURTIS THEN DETERMINED ANOTHER DRAW WOULD BE NECESSARY IN SELECTED. FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH, 9 A.M. UPON ARRIVING AT 1114, CURTIS ANNOUNCED HE WAS CHANGING THE DRAW TO MONDAY, 1117 DUE TO NEEDING CLARIFICATION FROM SOS AND COUNTY COUNCIL, SO NO FIVE DAY NOTICE WAS GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC. CURTIS'S ORIGINAL PREDICTION HAVING THE MAJORITY OF BALLOTS BEING PROCESSED IN 2 TO 3 HOURS DID NOT OCCUR ON NOVEMBER 4TH. THERE WAS LATE REPORTING TO THE STATE. CURTIS TRIED TO BLAME THIS ON STAFF, BUT ULTIMATELY HE IS RESPONSIBLE. IT HAS BEEN BY NO MEANS A PERFECT OR GOLD STANDARD ELECTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JENNY. FOLLOWED BY ANTONIA, THEN LAURA HOBBS. HELLO, BOARD. AS I HAVE BEEN TO EACH OF THESE MEETINGS, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE CERTIFICATION IS NOT ACTUALLY A RESPONSIBILITY, BUT MORE LIKE A COURTESY TO COME INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THE ROV THAT YOU'VE CHOSEN. HOWEVER, I. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE BOARD OF A FEW QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED. IS IT ETHICAL TO HAVE PEOPLE SUING THE DEPARTMENT NOT ONLY WORKING FOR THE DEPARTMENT THEY ARE SUING, BUT SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE KEY ACCESS TO SENSITIVE AREAS? WAS IT PROPER TO REDUCE ACCESS TO BALLOT DROP BOXES? THE BOXES WERE SO FULL AT SOME TIMES YOU COULD TOUCH THE BALLOTS INSIDE. THE ELECTION PROCESS WAS NOT CLEAR AND OBSERVATION WAS NOT MEANINGFUL AS WE COULD NOT SEE THE BALLOTS. WE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE SIGNATURE VERIFICATION, THOUGH. I ASKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT IT. AND THAT IS THE SPACE WHERE WE LOSE THE MOST BALLOTS. THE 1% TALLY WAS DROPPED ON THE GROUND, AND ONE OF THE BALLS THAT WAS ACTUALLY PLAYED WITH ENDED UP ONLY HAVING TWO RESIDENTS IN IT, WHICH IS NOT A TRUE AND ACCURATE 1% TALLY. CERTIFY, DON'T CERTIFY. I REALIZE THAT'S NOT YOUR PLACE, BUT I DO ASK THAT YOU ASK QUESTIONS. [01:00:01] AT LEAST PUT THE MINDS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS AT EASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANTONIO. FOLLOWED BY LAURA HOBBS. IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. GOOD MORNING. BOARD. WELL, I WAS FORTUNATE TO WORK AT THE ROV DURING THE ELECTION TO SEE AND EXPERIENCE. THE PROCESS. THERE WERE. THERE WERE THINGS THAT DIDN'T GO A LITTLE ACCORDING TO THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO, BUT IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF CLINT. THERE WAS OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES THAT HELD IT UP, BUT IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF HIS DECISIONS. SO THERE WAS A CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND EVERYTHING WAS TRANSPARENT. THE ATMOSPHERE WAS VERY CHEERFUL. WE WORKED WITH THE OTHER REGULAR TEMPORARY PEOPLE, AND THEY WERE WONDERFUL. THEY WERE KIND TO US. THEY WERE. THEY SHOWED US HOW TO DO THINGS. SO THAT WAS A VERY GOOD ATMOSPHERE. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE REGISTER VOTER, CLINT CURTIS. HIS ACTIONS SHOWED SHOWS HE HE IS HONEST AND TRUSTWORTHY PERSON AND CARES ABOUT MAKING EVERYTHING AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. HE KNOWS HIS JOB WELL AND IT SHOWS. HE'S VERY ORGANIZED AND I YES. TO CERTIFY. YES. THANK YOU. OUR LAST SPEAKER IS LAURA HOBBS. GOOD MORNING. BOARD. I WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS ELECTION WAS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY COMPARED TO PREVIOUS ELECTIONS. WHAT CLINT CURTIS HAS DONE IS HE'S MADE OBSERVER ACCESS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE. HE'S MADE PEOPLE COMFORTABLE TO BE THERE AS OBSERVERS. HE'S MOVED THE WHOLE ELECTION PROCESS DOWNSTAIRS SO THAT ALL THE OBSERVERS CAN SEE EVERYTHING FROM START TO FINISH, INSTEAD OF BEING INSIDE CRAMPED ROOMS UPSTAIRS, HAVING TO WATCH THROUGH CLOSED DOORS, CRANING YOUR NECK TO SEE. BEING TOLD THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON IS IF YOU PUT YOUR EAR DOWN TO THE DOOR VENT. SO AS AN OBSERVER, IT WAS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY. ALSO ANOTHER THING HE'S IMPLEMENTED IS CHAIN OF CUSTODY. BEFORE JOANNA, FRANCESCA HAD ZERO INTERNAL CHAIN OF CUSTODY ON THOSE BALLOTS. THAT MEANS ANYBODY COULD HAVE ADDED OR SUBTRACTED TO THOSE STACKS OF BALLOTS AT WILL, AND THERE'D BE NO WAY TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. ANOTHER THING HE DID WAS PUT CAMERAS ABOVE ALL THE TABULATORS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON AT EACH MACHINE, AND YOU CAN EVEN SIT RIGHT BEHIND THEM IF YOU WANT TO, WHICH IS JUST AMAZING. HE HAS CAMERAS OVER THE BALLOTS, SO YOU COULD EVEN PERFORM YOUR OWN RECOUNT IF YOU WANTED TO. WHEN I WANTED A RECOUNT, THEY SAID IT WAS $8,600 FOR THE FIRST DAY. NOW YOU CAN DO IT COMPLETELY FOR FREE. ANYONE CAN REQUEST A RECOUNT, BUT PREVIOUSLY NOBODY COULD AFFORD TO ACTUALLY HAVE A RECOUNT. THERE'S A CLEAR WORKFLOW FROM POINT A TO POINT B TO POINT C, THE 1% MANUAL TALLY MATCHED EXACTLY WHAT THE MACHINE SAID IT WOULD MATCH. IT SAID IT SHOULD BE IN JOANNA FRANCISCO'S CASE, THE LAST ELECTION. THERE WERE 511 ERRORS. THIS TIME IT MATCHED EXACTLY. HE'S HANDED THE ELECTIONS BY THE BUREAUCRATS BACK OVER TO WE THE PEOPLE. SO THANK YOU. AND YES, PLEASE CERTIFY. THANK YOU. OUR FINAL SPEAKER, CHAIR, MR. CURTIS, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP. IS THERE ANYBODY IN QUEUE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ROV? YOU KNOW, I DID I DID HAVE I DID HAVE ONE OBSERVATION THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS NOW. AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE NECESSARILY WE CAN'T ONE THING BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU ARE RIGHT. THIS IS MINISTERIAL. ONE THING I DID NOTICE THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME WAS IN MY PREVIOUS THREE ELECTIONS, YOU SAW A HUGE PEAKS AND VALLEYS. AND IN THIS TIME, WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME WAS THERE WAS KIND OF A FLAT LINE, LIKE IT DIDN'T MOVE. SO THE FIRST DROP USED TO BE DIFFERENT, MUCH DIFFERENT. AND I MEAN, CAN YOU CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? LIKE, AS WE CERTIFY, LIKE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, ELECTIONS ARE LIKE POLLS WHEN YOU HAVE THE FIRST SECTION, THE FIRST 30% OF THE VOTERS VOTING, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING DRASTIC GOING ON, LIKE ONE SIDE VOTES MORE THAN THE OTHER OR SOMETHING, YOU SHOULD HAVE A FLAT LINE ELECTION EVERY TIME. IT SHOULD NEVER DO THAT. IF IT'S DOING THAT, SOMETHING IS CAUSING THAT PROBLEM. AT SHASTA COUNTY, IT WAS EASY FOR THEM TO FRONT LOAD ANY ELECTION BECAUSE THEY HAD ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY. THEY WERE DRAGGING THINGS UPSTAIRS THE ELEVATORS. IT WAS HORRIBLE. THEY PUT HIM IN A ROOM. [01:05:01] THEY NEVER SEALED THEM. I JUST AS THAT'S YOUR. THAT'S A POSSIBLE CERTIFICATION. IT WAS JUST INTERESTING TO ME THAT PRE-COVID IT ALWAYS KIND OF DID THIS. AND THEN IN THE SPAN OF LIKE 2 OR 3 YEARS, THERE WAS THIS. AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO THIS. SO IT'S INTERESTING. IT SHOULD NEVER DO THAT. YEAH. THIS IS THAT'S ANOTHER THING. BUT AS WE TALK ABOUT CERTIFICATION, I THINK IT'S RELEVANT BECAUSE THERE'S BIG THERE'S BIG DIFFERENCES. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE VOTE. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. JUST ONE QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE TIME THAT IT TOOK TO GET TO THE RESULTS, THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS ON THE BALLOT IN JUNE. THERE'LL BE MANY MORE. WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE. I WAS HOPING THAT IT WOULD BE QUITE A BIT FASTER IN THIS PAST ELECTION, IN PART BECAUSE WE WERE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL TABULATORS. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION FOR THE RESULTS IN JUNE? WELL, IT IT'LL BE BASICALLY THE SAME. WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GET THIS BIG FLUX. SO THEY HAVE TO BE SIGNATURE VERIFIED. PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT SIGNATURE VERIFICATION, BUT WE HAVE CAMERAS THAT ACTUALLY CAN SIT AND WATCH IT. OR YOU CAN SIT RIGHT BEHIND PEOPLE SIGNATURE VERIFYING, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE THERE WHEN THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE. SO WE CAN'T JUST WAIT AROUND FOR PEOPLE. SO SIGNATURE VERIFICATION TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WHEN YOU GET THE MAIL INS, WHEN PEOPLE DON'T VOTE AT THE POLLS AND THEY VOTE WITH A PAPER BALLOT, BUT THEY STICK IT IN THEIR ENVELOPE AND THEY PUT IT IN, IT'S A MAIL IN AND EVERYTHING STILL HAS TO BE DONE. SO THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS OF SIGNATURE VERIFICATION. IT ACTUALLY WENT FAIRLY QUICKLY. WE'VE BEEN SITTING AROUND TWIDDLING OUR THUMBS FOR LIKE TWO AND A HALF WEEKS. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. THIS IS ABOUT CERTIFICATION IF YOU WANT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AND HAVE THIS EXPLAINED AND BROUGHT BACK, I WILL TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT IF YOU WANT TO, BECAUSE I HAVE I HAVE QUESTIONS MYSELF. I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT WE HAVE TO STICK TO THE CERTIFICATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SURE. YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE BRING BACK DISCUSSION OF ELECTION PROCEDURES. I'LL SECOND THAT. WITH. AND THEN COUNSEL LARMER REALLY QUICK. CAN WE JUST TAKE THAT VOTE REALLY QUICK BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THIS OTHER VOTE? OKAY, SO SUPERVISOR PLUMMER MOTION. I SECOND TO BRING THAT BACK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. PERFECT. THAT'S FIVE ZERO. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE CERTIFICATION WHICH IS R FOUR FORMERLY R FIVE. I MADE THE MOTION SUPERVISOR KELSTROM SECONDED IT. WE'VE TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU, MR. CURTIS. SEE YOU AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. [R4 Discuss the True North Behavioral Health Campus application proposed by Arch Collaborative, Signature Health, and the Shasta Health Assessment and Redesign Collaborative, and consider providing direction to staff (Sponsored by Supervisor Crye).] MOVING ON TO FORMER OUR. FOR NOW OUR FIVE DISCUSS THE TRUE NORTH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CAMPUS APPLICATION. AND THIS WAS BROUGHT BACK BY MYSELF. I JUST THINK IT DESERVED MORE ATTENTION, MORE CONVERSATION JUST BASED ON THE COMMUNITY. AND WE DON'T, AS SUPERVISORS GET TO TALK TO A SECOND SUPERVISOR ALONG THIS TOPIC. SO I BROUGHT IT BACK WITH NO NECESSARILY AGENDA OTHER THAN JUST I WANTED MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NECESSARILY. I JUST, YOU KNOW, AS CHAIR AGAIN, AND THIS GOES TO A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT SUPERVISOR PLUMMER WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON ANOTHER ITEM. BUT AS CHAIR, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I MEAN, I, I GREATLY WANT TO SEE ALL HEALTH CARE AND ESPECIALLY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH IMPROVED IN THE COUNTY AND ONGOING CONVERSATIONS IS IMPORTANT. WHAT I WILL SAY IS BY WHETHER IT WAS THE NONSUPPORT ORIGINALLY BY DIRECTOR COLEMAN OR THIS BOARD'S PUSHING OF IT, THE STATE DEFINITELY DID COME BACK. YOU CAN READ THOSE THROUGH EMAILS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF CORRESPONDENCE THAT THE STATE MOVED, WHETHER THEY HAD NEVER FELT THAT WAY OR DOESN'T MATTER. WE NEVER GOT RESPONSE FOR MONTHS ASKING FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND ONCE WE DID THAT, HERE WE ARE. HOWEVER, NOW THEY'VE CHANGED A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE OF THEM IS THE COUNTY AND THIS WAS MY GREATEST CONCERN. I HAD 3 OR 4 BIG CONCERNS, BUT MY GREATEST ONE WAS THAT THE COUNTY WAS NOT GOING TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR 30 YEARS FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH DETAILS ABOUT. THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE. AND THEN ALSO, IF WE DO GET REIMBURSEMENT FOR IMD PLACEMENTS, THAT'S OVER A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, ROUGHLY A YEAR. THE COUNTY WILL NOW REALIZE, BECAUSE OF THAT STANCE, I BELIEVE WE TOOK. SO DOES ANYBODY SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. YOU'RE IN QUEUE. THERE YOU GO. YES. I APPRECIATE THIS COMING BACK. AND ALSO FOR THE WORK THAT STAFF HAS DONE OVER THE LAST MONTH TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF THE THINGS, WHETHER THAT WAS SORTING OUT ITS OBLIGATIONS OR LACK THEREOF IN TERMS OF WITH REGARDS TO THE STATE OR IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS, WHICH COULD BE SIGNIFICANT TO OUR MENTAL HEALTH FUND, AS WELL AS DIGGING INTO SOME OF THE DATA AROUND THE NEED FOR THIS. AND SO GIVEN THAT NEW INFORMATION, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS BOARD ISSUE SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT. [01:10:04] SO YOU HAVE THIS ON AS A DISCUSSION ITEM. THE MOST YOU CAN DO IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF OR BRING ANOTHER ITEM BACK. CORRECT. IS THAT YOUR MOTION? SO CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE BRING BACK A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT AS A BOARD? YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT. OKAY. I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO BRING BACK A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THIS PROJECT. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. MISS BLANK. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION BEFORE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT MIGHT HELP SOME PEOPLE IN PUBLIC COMMENT. DOES ANYBODY SUPERVISOR LONG KELSTROM OR HARMON WANT TO WEIGH IN AT ALL? ALL RIGHT. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. YEAH, I, SO, YOU KNOW, I MET WITH WITH KIMBERLY JOHNSON AND SUPERVISOR PLUMMER AND THE PERSON THAT GIVES ME SOME OF MY MENTAL HEALTH ADVICE OR INSIGHT. AND AGAIN, I STATED AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN I WAS DONE, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT THE ADVISOR THAT GIVES ME MY ADVICE HAD WAS SIGNATURE COULDN'T FILL ALL THE BEDS. SO AT THAT POINT, I HAD WRITTEN A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT. I THEN TALKED WITH STAFF STAFF GAVE ME SOME CONCERNS QUITE SEVERE CONCERNS. SO I WITHDREW MY LETTER OF SUPPORT. I NEVER MAILED IT. SINCE THE STATE HAS CHANGED SOME OF THEIR RULINGS SOME OF THE RULES. I TALKED TO A STAFF AGAIN AND HHS AYE WAS SENDING A LETTER OF SUPPORT. I GOT SOME WORD FROM SOME OTHER PEOPLE, SO I SAID, GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT IN IF WE'RE ALL ON BOARD. AGAIN, IF STAFF IS ON BOARD WITH THIS, GO AHEAD AND SEND MY LETTER OF SUPPORT IN THAT I HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD WRITTEN. SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOTTEN MUCH BETTER. IT SEEMS LIKE OUR, A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS WERE LAID. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S SOME MORE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP SINCE THEN THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED OR NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. AS YOU WELL KNOW, CHAIRMAN CRYE, THIS IS NOT MY WHEELHOUSE. SO YOU WANT TO BRING WANT TO BRING MISS COLEMAN UP. I I'M FINE. I'M GOING TO BRING HER UP. YOU MADE A GOOD POINT, MISS COLEMAN. COME ON UP. HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? HEY, IF WE COULD IF WE COULD NOT DO THAT, LIKE. I MEAN, I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. NOT SO WE CAN SIT AND YELL AT EACH OTHER. MISS COLEMAN, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK UP. I HAVE I HAVE A A FEW THINGS. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST? NO. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A LETTER, BUT THIS IS MORE SOME OF THE THINGS, THE LANGUAGE I WOULD WANT IN IT. AND I WROTE A FEW THINGS DOWN. IT WOULD BE. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT ALL ADDITIONAL COSTS INCURRED BY HHS ARE OFFSET BY THE APPLICANT. THAT'S ONE. WE NEED A COMMITMENT FROM THE APPLICANT TO PRIORITIZE SHASTA COUNTY RESIDENTS FOR TREATMENT OVER OUT OF COUNTY PLACEMENTS. THAT IS A COMPLETE NON-NEGOTIABLE TO ME AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE DO THAT. THIRD, WE NEED SIGNIFICANT SAFEGUARDS IN THE FACILITY TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC STAFF AND THOSE SEEKING TREATMENT. WE NEED WE EXPECT ALL MANDATED PROTOCOLS TO BE RIGOROUSLY FOLLOWED AND REGULARLY VERIFIED. THAT WOULD BE A NO BRAINER, BUT I'M JUST PUTTING IT IN THERE. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WHO HAVE COMPLETED TREATMENT ARE PROVIDED TRANSPORTATION TO THEIR HOME COUNTY. AGAIN, I KNOW THAT IS PART OF THIS PROCESS, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE GAPS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THOSE GAPS AND THOSE ARE FILLED. AND LASTLY, I WOULD WANT TO SEE IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR SHERIFF'S COSTS IF THIS, IN FACT, DOES GO IN EITHER IN AN UNINCORPORATED AREA OF THE COUNTY OR NOT IN THE CITY OF ANDERSON, WHERE A P D WOULD BE INVOLVED, OR THE CITY OF REDDING WHERE RPD WOULD BE INVOLVED. I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SHERIFF COSTS COULD BE REIMBURSED, MUCH LIKE WE'VE NEGOTIATED WITH THE TRIBE. AND THEN ALSO I THINK JUST BASED OFF OF AND I'VE TRIED TO GET THE NUMBERS FROM THE SANTA ROSA INCIDENT AS WELL AS OTHERS ABOUT THE COST OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ON FACILITIES LIKE THIS. WITH RIOTS, ETC. THAT YOU CAN EASILY FIND ONLINE. I WOULD WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE COUNTY TO GET REIMBURSED. SO IF ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IN THE LETTER I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SUPPORTING THE CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL BECAUSE I DO FEEL THAT THE THE LETTER YOU WROTE WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I MEAN, THE FIRST SENTENCE, THE FIRST PARAGRAPH VERSUS THE FOURTH KIND OF CONFLICTED BECAUSE I THINK I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I THINK THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION JUST LIKE I DO. BUT IF IT COMES TO IT'S A BLACK OR WHITE, IS IT A SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT? AND IN THE WAY IT WAS, I BELIEVE YOU WANTED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, BUT YOU WEREN'T NECESSARILY SUPPORTING IT, BUT YOU WERE SUPPORTING CONVERSATIONS. AND THAT'S WHY I CAME OUT WITH A SECOND PRESS RELEASE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE FIRST ONE ARTICULATED MAYBE WHAT IT WAS. [01:15:04] AND IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE TELL ME, TELL THE PUBLIC. SO THE LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT I ISSUED WAS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND SO WITHOUT THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE MENTAL HEALTH DIRECTOR, THE CONVERSATIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE GAINED OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS IN MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD YOU KNOW, INCLUDING THE PAYER MIX, MEDI-CAL BENEFICIARIES SERVED MEDICAL CLEARANCE CAPACITY AS WELL AS STAFFING IMPLICATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, GOT US TO A POINT TO WHERE WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS COULD BE A FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY. AND SO BEING ABLE TO ISSUE THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT I DID ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE DETAILED CONVERSATIONS TO SEE HOW MUCH OF A BENEFIT THIS COULD BE FOR THE COUNTY. YEAH. AND I DON'T AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT THAT. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. YEAH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE THOSE STIPULATIONS IN A POTENTIAL LETTER FROM THE SUPERVISOR WITH ONE SLIGHT AMENDMENT, WHICH IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER REIMBURSEMENT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE SHOULD ALSO FACTOR INTO THAT POTENTIAL SAVINGS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE WE DO EXPECT THAT THIS WILL ACTUALLY SAVE THEM CONSIDERABLE TIME IN TERMS OF DROP OFFS. SO AS LONG AS WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION ON THAT, THEN I THINK THAT'S FAIR TO INCLUDE. COUNSEL LARMER I'M GOING TO HOP YOU OVER. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. YES, SIR. SO BEFORE WE ARGUE THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT YOUR GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE TRIBE IS, IS A SOVEREIGN NATION. WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CHARGE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. IN TERMS OF JUST THE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE JUST FOR DISCUSSION, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT. SO I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT IN THERE. MATT OR SUPERVISOR PLUMMER YOU GET. YES. ALL RIGHT. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. SO HOPEFULLY THIS ISN'T REDUNDANT, BUT ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS WAS HOW DO, HOW DO WE DO THIS? HOW DO WE, HOW ARE WE GUARANTEED THAT WE CAN BE FIRST IN LINE? I KNOW WE CAN'T BE FIRST IN LINE. I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION THAT IT'S, IT'S LIKE, AND THEN WE STARTED OUT THIS MORNING WITH YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW THE HOSPITALS THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE OVERWHELMED. THEY'VE GOT WAITING, YOU KNOW, A LINE THAT IS, IS IT GOING TO HELP? OBVIOUSLY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYBODY'S HEALTH, BUT I'M MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH IS SHASTA COUNTY IS IT GOING TO ARE WE GOING TO REALIZE THE SERVICE OF A MENTAL HOSPITAL AS FAR AS OUR CONSTITUENTS IN SHASTA COUNTY? SO THAT'S OUR HOPE. YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO REALLY SAY FOR SURE THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN. BUT THIS LETTER ALLOWS US TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND GET ALL THE DETAILS WORKED OUT THAT WE NEED TO WORK OUT. YOU KNOW, THERE IS ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRACT ONCE THE FACILITY IS BUILT. AND WITH THAT CONTRACT, YOU CAN GUARANTEE BEDS. YOU KNOW, IN A FACILITY THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE BEDS IF THEY'RE USED OR NOT. AND SO THAT IS A CONTRACT CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE LATER AT A LATER DATE. YOU KNOW, IN THE FACILITIES BUILT WITH THE BOARD BECAUSE YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT IF THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE GOING TO DO. I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT. I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS SAID THE MOST EXPENSIVE THING TO OWN IS A CLOSED MIND. AND SO I'M OPEN AGAIN. AND I KNOW. SUPERVISOR KELSTROM HAS TALKED TO YOU EXTENSIVELY IN TERMS OF THE STAFFING PART. I JUST KNOW THAT AS LONG AS THESE THINGS ARE INCLUDED IN SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. OR ACTUALLY THIS MAY BE FOR CEO. RICKERT. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU OR STUART WORKS ON THIS AND MAYBE SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. AND I COULD WORK ON THE LETTER TOGETHER WITH STAFF. ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT, MATT? YEAH. WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH AN AD HOC GROUP OR TWO SUPERVISORS ON THIS LETTER TO MAKE SURE WE ARE REFLECTING THE WILL OF THE BOARD ON THIS DECISION. AND THEN, DO YOU KNOW, MISS COLEMAN, IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY TIMING ON THIS, OR IS IT PRETTY MUCH BECAUSE I KNOW THAT DEADLINE HAS PASSED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE. YEAH. SO THE DEADLINE FOR THE LETTER OF SUPPORT PASSED. THAT WAS NOVEMBER 28TH, I BELIEVE IT WAS. THE AWARD ANNOUNCEMENT IS NOT COMING UNTIL LATE SPRING, AND SO WE WON'T KNOW ANYTHING. ANY MOVEMENT ON THE PROJECT WITH THE STATE UNTIL LATE SPRING. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IS HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS TO GET THE DETAILS THAT WE NEED TO GET FOR THE PROJECT. OKAY, GREAT. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. YEAH. I'M JUST SO. OKAY, SO THIS IS A LOCKED FACILITY, CORRECT? I MEAN, THIS. OKAY. YEAH. SO I MEAN, AND WE'RE CONCERNED WITH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF THE AREA AND THEN WALKING OUT ON THE STREET AND GOING BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY OR THE SHERIFF'S HAVING TO BE CALLED. AND IT'S A LOCKED FACILITY YET WE'RE, WE DON'T SEEM TO BE AS WORRIED ABOUT THE MEDICAL ASSISTED TREATMENT THAT THE GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION IS DOING, WHICH IS NOT A LOCKED FACILITY. SO, I MEAN, THOSE PEOPLE CAN JUST WALK OUT THE DOOR ANYTIME THEY WANT. SO I AGAIN, NOT MY WHEELHOUSE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE THAT YEAH, [01:20:03] SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH. A LOT OF THEM SOMETIMES CAN GO HAND IN HAND, BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT. AND JUST LIKE THE ALTERNATIVE CUSTODY PROGRAM VERSUS THE GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION VERSUS SIGNATURE HEALTH. I MEAN, YOU'RE DEALING WITH THREE DISTINCT POPULATIONS. YOU HAVE INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS OR PEOPLE THAT ARE ON PROBATION, PAROLE, ETC. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE MENTAL HEALTH. AND THEN BUT TO MY I MEAN, THIS IS MUCH LIKE THE ALTERNATIVE CUSTODY PROGRAM. THIS IS AT THE VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY BEGINNING STAGES. I MEAN, IF ANY OF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN DISTRICT FOUR. CITY MANAGER JESSICA LUGO PUT OUT A STATEMENT ABOUT WHERE THAT PROJECT STANDS AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPERTY WITHIN THERE. SO THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY. THIS LETTER, IF IT'S WRITTEN WITH ALL THESE CONDITIONS FOR ME, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A BLANKET LETTER OF SUPPORT LIKE THE ORIGINAL MOTION. IT SAYS, HEY, I THINK WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS. HERE'S ALL THE QUESTIONS WE NEED ANSWERED. AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SUPERVISOR LONG. THANK YOU. QUESTION FOR YOU. IT SEEMS TO ME WE SHOULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE SOURCE, WHICH WOULD BE THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, WHO'S ADMINISTERING THE B CHIP PROGRAM. BECAUSE ALL THESE QUESTIONS COULD BE ANSWERED DIRECTLY FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. HAVE WE DONE THAT, OR DO YOU HAVE ANY INROADS TO CONTACT SOMEBODY THAT'S HIGHER UP IN IN THAT ADMINISTRATION TO GET ALL THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND AND JUST GET THIS RESOLVED ONCE AND FOR ALL. YEAH. SO I'VE REACHED OUT TO DCFS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CARE SERVICES, WHICH IS THE ENTITY THAT IS OVER THE CHIP PROCESS MULTIPLE TIMES. I HAVE A LOT OF EMAILS THAT ARE UNANSWERED. I HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE ANSWERED SINCE JULY. SO THERE'S YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH MY STAFF REACHING OUT AS WELL AS MYSELF REACHING OUT WITH DCS. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED ARE WITH THE ACTUAL APPLICANT THEMSELVES THAT DHS WON'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER BECAUSE IT'LL BE AN OPERATOR THING AND, YOU KNOW, AN OPERATION THING OF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE STAFFED, AND ALL OF THAT THAT WILL COME DOWN TO SIGNATURE HEALTHCARE ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS, NOT DCS, BUT THEY COULD ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT SEEM TO HAVE BEEN THE STUMBLING POINT HERE, WHICH IS 30 YEAR COMMITMENTS AND THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS. SO WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO ACCESS SOMEBODY AT BEAT CHIP OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TO GET THESE QUESTIONS FINALLY ANSWERED? SO I RECEIVED A RESPONSE BACK FROM AHP, WHICH IS THE ENTITY THAT IS WORKING WITH DCS ON THE CHIP APPLICATION, THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 30 YEAR COMMITMENT. HOWEVER, THERE'S BEEN SOME INFORMATION COME OUT FROM BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION THAT THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE PUT INTO THE ROUND ONE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE STILL UNSURE IF WE'LL BE IN THE ROUND TWO CONTRACT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. AND SO I STILL HAVE EMAILS OUT TO DCS AND PLAN TO STILL REACH OUT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THAT ANSWER FROM DCS AND NOT JUST AHP. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. HARMON. KELSTROM. OKAY. MISS BLANKENSHIP, DO WE HAVE. I'M SURE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, CHAIR. WE HAVE 16 SPEAKERS. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT FIRST UP, STEVE WOODRUM, FOLLOWED BY DON DUCKETT. PATRICK MORIARTY, JEFF GORDER TWO MINUTES EACH. SPEAKER IF YOU COULD PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. AND LET'S PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF EACH PERSON SPEAKING. THANK YOU. WELCOME. GOOD MORNING. A PERSON WITH A MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM USUALLY KEEPS IT PRIVATE, BUT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS SOMEONE WITH A HIDDEN PROBLEM. THEY COULD BE A DISTRESSED VETERAN OR AN ABUSED CHILD. IF THEY HAVE A SUPPORTIVE FAMILY AND SOME MONEY THEY CAN GET BY. BUT WITHOUT HELP, THEY OFTEN END UP AT THE JAIL OR THE MORGUE. HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES HAS ENDORSED TRUE NORTH, THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS NO VOTE WAS A REGRETTABLE MISTAKE. TODAY YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO DO BETTER. THANK YOU. DON DUCKETT, COME ON UP. GOOD MORNING. BOARD. ALL I REALLY WANT TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION TODAY IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED WITH TRUE NORTH IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY LAST MINUTE DECISION MAKING HURTS THE COUNTY. DURING THE MEETING WHERE THE BOARD VOTED TO OPPOSE THE PROJECT, THE PUBLIC PLEADED WITH YOU TO NOT RUSH THIS DECISION TO OPPOSE THE PROJECT. [01:25:06] STAFF HADN'T BEEN GIVEN ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY ANALYZE THE PROJECT. AND YET, DESPITE THAT, THE BOARD STILL PUSHED THROUGH AN OPPOSITION LETTER. SINCE THEN, BOTH DIRECTOR COLEMAN AND SUPERVISOR KELSTROM HAVE REVERSED THEIR POSITIONS AND NOW SUPPORT THE PROJECT. AND EVEN YOU, CHAIRMAN CRYE, HAVE SOFTENED YOUR OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. BUT THE DAMAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. DURING THAT MEETING, WHEN YOU AUTHORIZED SENDING THE OPPOSITION LETTER, CHAIRMAN CRYE REFERRED TO THE PROJECT AS EVIL. THOSE ARE VERY SERIOUS WORDS TO USE ABOUT A MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY MEANT TO HELP OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHO'S RIGHT AND WHO'S WRONG. THIS IS ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE PATTERN OF DECISION MAKING. THIS BOARD, UNDER CHAIRMAN CRY'S LEADERSHIP, HAS REPEATEDLY MADE DECISIONS TOO QUICKLY WITHOUT GIVING STAFF THE TIME THEY NEED, WITHOUT GIVING THE PUBLIC THE TIME WE NEED AND WITHOUT GIVING THE ISSUES CAREFUL CONSIDERATION THEY DESERVE. TRUE NORTH SHOULD SERVE AS A WAKE UP CALL. A RUSHED, HAPHAZARD DECISION ALMOST JEOPARDIZED A ONCE IN A GENERATION OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS OUR MOST SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS. I URGE THIS BOARD TO SLOW DOWN, LISTEN TO STAFF AND STOP ALLOWING IMPORTANT COUNTY DECISIONS TO BE MADE IN HASTE. THANK YOU. PATRICK MORIARTY, FOLLOWED BY JEFF GORDON, MO. THEN DOLORES LUCERO. IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. WELCOME. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS PATRICK MORIARTY, A 45 YEAR RESIDENT OF SHASTA COUNTY AND A FRIEND OF PEOPLE LIVING WITH MENTAL ILLNESSES AND THEIR FAMILIES. FOR ALL OF THOSE 45 YEARS UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY, I RAN A PROGRAM FOR 16 YEARS FOR PEOPLE SERVING PEOPLE WITH SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESSES. NEVER IN THAT 16 YEARS WAS A STAFF OR A PARTICIPANT IN THE PROGRAM INJURED PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE THE VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE THAN THE PERPETRATORS OF VIOLENCE. I WAS HERE A WHILE BACK SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE TRUE NORTH PROJECT. I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN THE DECISION OF THE BOARD THAT DAY. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FACTORS WERE THAT RESULTED IN HSA DIRECTOR COLEMAN AND SUPERVISOR KELSTROM MODIFYING THEIR POSITIONS ON THE PROJECT. I'M HERE TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPENNESS. AND ALSO TO THANK SUPERVISOR PLUMMER AND LOR FOR THEIR ONGOING SUPPORT OF THE OF THE PROJECT AS WELL AS THE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED, THE ART COLLABORATIVE AND SIGNATURE HEALTH. HUMILITY AND COURAGE ARE VIRTUES I ADMIRE A LOT. I'M THINKING THAT THOSE VIRTUES MAY BE INVOLVED HERE. THANK YOU. JEFF GORDON, FOLLOWED BY MO. DOLORES LUCERO, THEN MARGARET HANSON. GOOD MORNING. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMMEND SUPERVISOR PLUMMER FOR HIS ROLE IN CONTINUING THE DISCUSSION ON THIS PROJECT. I ALSO WANT TO EXTEND, AS PATRICK SAID, I WANT TO EXTEND KUDOS TO CHRISTY COLEMAN FOR HAVING AN OPEN MIND REGARDING THIS PROJECT AS WELL. I THINK SHE'S DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP IN HER COMMITMENT TO ONGOING CONVERSATION. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT SHE FELT GREAT PRESSURE FROM CHAIR CRYE, WHO OPPOSED THE PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING. SO IT'S IT'S TO BE REITERATED THAT THIS TAKES GREAT COURAGE FOR HER TO STAND UP AND RECONSIDER HER VIEWS. IT'S BEEN SAID, AND I AGREE, THERE'S A LESSON TO BE LEARNED HERE, AND THAT IS KEEP AN OPEN MIND. NOW, CHAIR CRYE, I HOPE YOU WOULD FOLLOW WITH YOUR ADMONITION TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND. I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE THAT CALLING SOMETHING EVIL AND TRYING TO TAKE IT DOWN FROM THE BEGINNING IS NOT DEMONSTRATION OF AN OPEN MIND. STATE MOVED. OKAY. YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WANT THAT YOU'RE CALLING THE PROJECT EVIL AND TRYING TO SHUT IT DOWN LIKE A RABID DOG THAT THAT CAUSED THE STATE TO MOVE AND IT'S NO LONGER EVIL. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU'VE DONE IT ALL FOR SHASTA COUNTY. THANK YOU. THE LESSON TO BE LEARNED IS KEEP AN OPEN MIND. BE WILLING TO DISCUSS THIS. AS SUPERVISOR LONG SAID AT THE BEGINNING, THIS WAS $150 MILLION PROJECT WITH $50 MILLION PUT IN BY A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BRING 200 JOBS, PLUS PROVIDE NECESSARY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES. CALLING THIS EVIL AND TRYING TO SHUT IT DOWN LIKE A RABID DOG WAS POOR LEADERSHIP AND [01:30:07] SHOULD NEVER BE REPEATED BY THIS BOARD. STATE MOVED. MO. FOLLOWED BY DOLORES LUCERO, MARGARET HANSON, AND THEN VICKY ONO. IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. WELCOME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CHAIR. GOOD MORNING BOARD. HELLO, FELLOW CONSTITUENTS, MY NAME IS MONIQUE WILSON AND I'VE NOT BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, BUT NOW I'M BACK. SO I'M IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. I KNOW FOR A PERIOD OF TIME THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE KNITTING. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I DID A RUBIK'S CUBE. SO WHILE YOU ALL WERE TALKING, I WAS WORKING ON MY MENTAL HEALTH, TRYING TO KEEP MY APTITUDE. THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. MY BIGGEST THING IS ACCOUNTABILITY AND OVERSIGHT. I UNDERSTAND ART COLLECTIVE IS THE GROUP THAT IS ONE SAFE PLACE AND CHILDREN'S LEGACY CENTER. IT'S WHEN YOU GET A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS TOGETHER AND YOU GOT ONE PERSON IN CHARGE AND THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY OR NO OVERSIGHT, THAT'S AN ISSUE. I AM A HUGE PROPONENT OF SOME OF TAKING CARE OF ONE'S MENTAL HEALTH. WE ALL HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH. IT IS UP TO US HOW WE CHOOSE TO WIELD IT. THAT BEING SAID, WHEN I WATCHED YOUR GUYS'S LAST MEETING, IT DID SHOCK ME. I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD. BUT ONE WOMAN'S VOICE KEPT REPLAYING IN MY HEAD. I'D FALL ASLEEP AND I'D WAKE UP AND I KEPT THINKING OF HER. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS LADY. BUT, MRS. SALTER, YOU CAME UP HERE AND SPOKE ABOUT YOUR FAMILY MEMBER WHO'S BROKEN, AND YOU WANT TO GET THEM HELP. THAT'S WHAT I WANT. I WANT US TO WORK TOGETHER SO WE CAN HELP THOSE THAT WE LOVE WHO NEED US. OKAY, SO I CAN'T STAY MUCH LONGER. MY FOOT IS SWOLLEN AND IT'S HURTING, AND I'M SITTING THERE THINKING, MENTAL HEALTH IS AN AMAZING THING WHEN YOU CAN PUT YOUR MIND TO SOMETHING. SO PLEASE KNOW THAT. AND KEVIN, YOU'RE IN MY HEART AND I'LL BE THINKING OF YOU. GOOD LUCK, MY FRIEND. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DOLORES LUCERO, FOLLOWED BY MARGARET HANSON, VICKI ONO, THEN LESLIE. WELCOME. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MENTAL ISSUES AND MENTAL HEALTH. ONE OF THEM IS KEVIN CRYE. CONTROL. THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. CONTROL. POWER AND VINDICTIVE IN. AND NOXIOUS. I COULD THERE'S SO MANY WORDS. BUT WHAT? WHAT YOU DID. ALL THREE OF YOU. HOW YOU VOTED THE LAST TIME IS BECAUSE YOU CAN. YOU DON'T LIKE KIMBERLY JOHNSON. THAT'S WHY. BECAUSE SHE'S CONNECTED WITH STEPHANIE BRIDGETT. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON YOU VOTED AGAINST IT, EVEN THOUGH IT NEEDED IT TO FOR US. WE NEEDED IT HERE IN SHASTA COUNTY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS. BUT THE REASON YOU VOTED AGAINST IT IS BECAUSE IT'S CONNECTED TO STEPHANIE BRIDGETT AND KIMBERLY JOHNSON, BECAUSE I HAVE A THOUSAND EMAILS. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I SAID IT WAS 866 EMAILS, BUT I WENT BACK AND I GOT A THOUSAND EMAILS AND A LOT OF THEM CAME FOR MRS. LORI FREEBRIDGE AND THEN EVERYBODY, EVERY PUBLIC OFFICIAL MADE A COMMENT ABOUT SOMEBODY, INCLUDING STEPHANIE BRIDGETT, MIKE JOHNSON AND EVERYBODY ELSE. SO JUST YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND. I HAVE A LOT OF EMAILS TO REBUTTAL TO SHOW PROOF OF THAT. AND THE REASON ALSO, YOU ARE CHANGE, YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND BECAUSE YOU ARE RUNNING AGAIN TO BE REELECTED. THAT'S WHY. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE USED AGAINST YOU. THAT'S ALL. IT'S ALL ABOUT POLITICAL. AND SO AND FOR YOU TO THINK THAT YOU DID, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING GOOD NOW AT THE LAST MINUTE. I DON'T THINK SO. YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY BUT YOURSELF. YOU'RE SELFISH. THAT'S. THAT'S WHY YOU BROUGHT IT BACK. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO HURT YOURSELF, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. MARGARET HANSON, FOLLOWED BY VICKY ONO. LESLIE. THEN STEVE COHEN. IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW. I HAVE ABOUT 200 MILLION REASONS WHY WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED, THOUGH. WE DO NEED MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY. I HAVE PLUMMER WAS MENTIONING ABOUT THE SIGNATURE HEALTH HAVING REQUESTS OVER A HUNDRED REQUESTS AND THEY CAN ONLY FILL TEN. SO DOES THAT MEAN WE GET THE OTHER 90 OR WHATEVER? I WANT OUR COUNTY TO HAVE IT FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTY. MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE WHEN WE START PLAYING MONEY GAMES, I WOULD SAY FOLLOW THE MONEY, FOLLOW WHO'S DOING STUFF? [01:35:03] I MEAN, ARCH COLLABORATIVE, CHILDREN'S LEGACY CENTER. THERE'S $7 MILLION OUT OF THAT, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE ANYTHING ELSE HAS GONE. I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH OUT OF THE AREA CLIENTS WHEN WE HAVE A NEED HERE. I'M JUST WE NEED THIS, BUT JUST GOING AFTER A SHINY LITTLE DANGLY LURE AND NOT KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE ON THE HOOK FOR IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SO I'M JUST SAYING, I'M GLAD THAT YOU PAUSE. I'M GLAD THAT YOU LOOK AT THIS. I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. BUT 30 YEARS ON THE HOOK, I'M NOT SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICKI ONO FOLLOWED BY LESLIE STEVE CONN, THEN JUDY SALTER. WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, FOR YOUR SINCERE CONSIDERATION TO SUPPORT THE TRUE NORTH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CAMPUS. LAST MONTH, ON NOVEMBER 6TH, I CAME AND I INVITED YOU TO A DINNER FOR THE MENTALLY ILL THAT'S HELD EVERY MONTH AT THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. UNFORTUNATELY, NO ONE WAS ABLE TO COME. ON NOVEMBER THE 16TH. WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER DINNER THIS SUNDAY AT 330, AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO COME TO THAT. MY POINT IS THAT THE MENTALLY ILL ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE GROSSLY UNDERREPRESENTED AND UNINCLUDED IN OUR SOCIETY. AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME AND SEE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A JOYOUS EVENT WHEN WE BRING PEOPLE FROM THE MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY TO HAVE A DINNER AND TO HAVE A SING ALONG. IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SEE EVERYONE AS WORTHY OF CARE. THE BEHAVIORAL, THE TRUE NORTH BEHAVIORAL CAMPUS WOULD BE AN ASSET TO OUR COUNTY. CURRENTLY, SHASTA COUNTY IS LACKING IN THESE SERVICES FOR MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE. THE BURDEN ON LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HANDLE PEOPLE IN MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS IS SERIOUS. LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE NOT MENTAL HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS. I APPRECIATE ALL THAT THEY DO TO HELP PEOPLE, BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE PROFESSIONAL MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES HERE IN SHASTA COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. DO YOU LEAVE YOUR NUMBER? LEAVE YOUR NUMBER AGAIN FOR ME. THANKS. LESLIE. FOLLOWED BY STEVE CONN. JUDY SALTER. THEN. KEN. MASHHAD. WELCOME. I WILL NOT SAY THAT I AGREE WITH DON DUCKETT ON ANYTHING. HOWEVER, HER COMMENT THAT RUSHED DECISIONS CAN BE HARMFUL I THINK IS ACCURATE. HOWEVER, HER WHO SHE WAS POINTING BLAME AT WAS WRONG. I HAD A CONVERSATION LAST NIGHT WITH ONE OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. ACTUALLY JUDY SALTER CAME OVER AND KIND OF BROKERED SOME PEACE AND SAID, HEY, HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, WHICH I APPRECIATE BECAUSE I THINK OUR COMMUNITY DOES NEED HEALING AND WE DO NEED TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS ACROSS THE AISLE. SO THEY HAD FROM JUNE 1ST TO OCTOBER 28TH BASED ON THE PRESENTATION LAST NIGHT, TO GET THESE LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND DO THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WAS WAITED UNTIL A WEEK BEFORE THE DEADLINE TO COME TO THE COMMUNITY, COME TO THE BOARD. THERE WAS A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. I'M TOLD WE'LL HAVE MORE CONVERSATION, WHICH I LOOK FORWARD TO AND I APPRECIATE, BUT I FELT THAT THAT WAS A BAD FAITH MOVE. AND IF AN ARGUMENT WAS MADE THAT IT COULDN'T GET IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, I HADN'T SEEN YOU, MATT, BRING TO PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD DURING A MEETING, DURING TIMES WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, MAKE THAT MOTION. AND I HADN'T SEEN ANYBODY FROM SIGNATURE HEALTH OR ARTS COLLABORATIVE COME UP HERE AND SAY AT THE PODIUM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. HEY, WE HAVE THIS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ON THE BOARD AGENDA AND NOBODY WILL LISTEN TO US. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS MAYBE A BAD FAITH MOVE. I'M NOT GOING TO GET TO THE REST OF THIS BECAUSE AGAIN, I LOOK UP AND I START THIS CONVERSATION, I LOSE TRACK. BUT WHEN WE START MAKING CONTRACTS FOR BEDS TO RESERVE BED SPACE, OTHER COUNTIES WILL DO THE SAME. THAT'S HOW WE END UP IN THE SAME SITUATION WHERE WE'RE IN NOW, WHERE OTHER PEOPLE THEN PAY FOR THAT SERVICE, HAVE THAT BED SPACE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH LOCAL THINGS THAT ARE WORKING NOW. THE COMMUNITY WANTED AN OPEN DISCUSSION AND OPEN DIALOG, AND THAT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY LAST NIGHT. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRESENTATION, NOT A TOWN HALL. STEVE KHAN FOLLOWED BY JUDY SALTER, KEN MICHOD, THEN BEN AND. WELCOME. GOOD MORNING AGAIN. I HAVE MULTIPLE CONCERNS ABOUT THE WAY THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD HANDLED THE TRUE NORTH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SITUATION. $200 MILLION PROJECT IS THE LARGEST MENTAL HEALTH PROJECT OR MOVE FORWARD THAT THIS [01:40:01] COUNTY HAS HAD SINCE THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION. AND IT'S US GETTING $150 MILLION OF OUR TAX MONEY BACK FROM THE STATE. IT'S A HUGE DEAL. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THIS CHAIR WAS SURPRISED ABOUT IT IN PUTTING IT ONLY ON THE AGENDA DAYS BEFORE THE DEADLINE FOR FILING THE APPLICATION. I SHOULD HAVE I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MR. PLUMMER OR PLUMMER AND AND SUPERVISOR LONG THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE DEAL FOR SHASTA COUNTY AND A HUGE BENEFIT. SO IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE WHOLE INTENT WAS TO UNDERMINE THE PROJECT BY PUTTING, PUTTING IT ON AT THE LAST MINUTE TO WHERE THINGS COULDN'T HAPPEN. ALTHOUGH THINGS HAPPENED, I THINK, IN A WAY THAT CRYE DIDN'T EXPECT. SO ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE COLEMAN WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY SET UP TO CRITICIZE THE SITUATION AND GIVE CAUSE AND REASON TO OBJECT TO IT. CLEARLY CRYE WAS BIASED, I THINK, IN SAYING THAT IT WAS EVIL MENTIONING A REFERENCE TO THE BIBLE THAT WAS NOT EVEN AN ACCURATE OR APPROPRIATE REFERENCE, BUT TO KILLING BAD PEOPLE, BASICALLY. AND SO DURING THAT MEETING, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. AND I THOUGHT THAT AT THE, THERE WAS NO REASON TO SIGN A LETTER OF OPPOSITION BECAUSE A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. AND IF THEY WEREN'T ANSWERED, THEN OKAY, FIND OUT ANSWERS LATER. BUT A LETTER OF OPPOSITION WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SO ANYWAY, I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS THING IS POSSIBLY MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. JUDY SALTER FOLLOWED BY KEN, MASHHAD. BEN AND THEN JENNY. WELCOME. GOOD MORNING SUPERVISORS. AT LAST NIGHT'S TOWN HALL MEETING, THE NEED FOR THIS FACILITY WAS CLEARLY EXPLAINED BY LOCAL LEADERS AND MENTAL HEALTH LAW ENFORCEMENT. HOSPITAL CARE AND EMERGENCY CARE. SUPPORT BY THESE EXPERTS WAS UNIVERSAL, WITH EACH OFFERING A TRAGIC EXAMPLE OF FAILED CARE. BECAUSE WE LACKED PROPER RESOURCES TO CARE FOR OUR NEIGHBORS, SUFFERING MENTAL DISTRESS OR BREAKDOWN. SUPERVISOR CRYE, YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THIS PROJECT WAS EVIL AND I WAS TRULY DEVASTATED BY THAT. WHAT WAS EVIL WAS OUR INABILITY TO PROVIDE THE VITAL CARE THAT'S NEEDED. AS I SHARED EARLIER, MY DAUGHTER WAS A VICTIM OF THAT FAILURE TO PROVIDE CARE, AND NOW SHE HAS COMPLETELY VANISHED. THE EXTENSIVE PROCESS USED BY COMMUNITY PARTNERS OVER THE LAST 15 MONTHS TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORWARD IS EXEMPLARY. CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS WILL CONTINUE, AND THAT DIALOG IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO HAVE ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. I'M GRATEFUL THAT SUPERVISOR KELSTROM AND DIRECTOR COLEMAN HAVE AGREED TO SUPPORT THE FACILITY, BUT ALSO TO BE INVOLVED IN THE CONTINUING DIALOG. WE NEED THIS PROJECT. I HOPE YOU WILL LISTEN TO THE CRIES FOR HELP FROM THIS COMMUNITY AND THE UNIVERSAL SUPPORT OF MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS KEN HERE? KEN, COME ON UP. FOLLOWED BY BEN AND THEN JENNY. MAX. WALTER, THEN NICK GARDNER. GOOD MORNING. BOARD. MY NAME IS KEN. I LIVE IN COTTONWOOD. I'D JUST LIKE TO GO OVER SOME NUMBERS TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. SOMETIMES YOU GET LOST IN THE WEEDS. THE SOURCE OF THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR THE PROPOSED FACILITY COMES FROM THE PROPOSITION ONE FUNDS, PROP ONE, WHICH WAS INITIATED AND PROMOTED HEAVILY BY THE GOVERNOR. BARELY PASSED STATEWIDE. IT WON 50.2% TO 49.8%. HERE IN SHASTA COUNTY, PROPOSITION ONE WAS VOTED DOWN 63% TO 37%. IN ALL FIVE DISTRICTS. DISTRICT ONE VOTED NO. 55%. DISTRICT 263. DISTRICT THREE VOTED 67%, NO VOTED DISTRICT FIVE AND DISTRICT FOUR VOTED 64%. NO. FOR THIS. FOR THIS MONEY. OF THE 200 $206 MILLION COST OF THE FACILITY $165 MILLION WILL COME FROM THE PROP ONE BOND MONEY. THE FACILITY WILL HAVE 112 SPOTS. [01:45:03] THAT'S $1.5 MILLION BORROWED PER SPOT WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT A JAIL COSTS. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING TO COST MORE PER PERSON THAN IT WOULD FOR A JAIL. THE BONDS HAVE AN INTEREST RATE OF 4%, MEANING IT WILL COST TAXPAYERS $280 MILLION OR $2.5 MILLION PER SPOT TO PAY OFF THE BONDS. THAT'S $83,000 PER SLOT PER YEAR FOR THE LAND OF THE BUILDINGS. THE OPERATING FUNDS WILL COME FROM MEDI-CAL AND PRIVATE INSURANCE. THE FACILITY WON'T BRING MORE TREATMENT DOLLARS SO MUCH AS SHUFFLE AND CENTRALIZED TREATMENT DOLLARS ALREADY BEING SPENT IN THE COUNTY IN THE REGION. THE NEW COURTHOUSE COST 175 MILLION. HAS LIFE IN SHASTA COUNTY IMPROVED BY $175 MILLION SINCE IT OPENED FOR THE COURTHOUSE STAFF, IT PROBABLY HAS. BEFORE WE SPEND $165. MILLION IN TAX DOLLARS TO IMPROVE CONDITIONS FOR THE DOCTORS AND STAFF. THANK YOU. DO ME A FAVOR. NEXT UP CAN YOU CAN YOU LEAVE A COPY OF THAT FOR ME WITH YOUR NUMBERS. NEXT UP BEN, FOLLOWED BY JENNY, MAX, WALTER, THEN NICK GARDNER. AND IF YOU NEED THAT BACK STAFF, JUST LET THEM KNOW STAFF CAN MAKE A COPY AND GIVE YOU THE ORIGINAL. THANK YOU. WELCOME BACK. SO I ATTENDED LAST NIGHT'S TOWN HALL. THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT MADE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT A COMPLAINT THAT TRUE NORTH WOULD BRING IN OTHER COUNTIES. PEOPLE. THE TRUTH IS, SHASTA COUNTY SENDS MORE THAN 300 OF OUR OWN RESIDENTS OUT OF COUNTY EVERY YEAR FOR CARE. THANK GOD THOSE NEIGHBORING COUNTIES DIDN'T SAY THE SAME THING THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING HERE, THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT OUR PEOPLE BECAUSE IF THEY HAD, HUNDREDS OF SHASTA COUNTY FAMILIES WOULD HAVE BEEN ABANDONED. NOW, CRYE, YOU CALLED A SPECIAL MEETING LAST MONTH AND LABELED TRUE NORTH, A MORAL EVIL THAT WOULD INFECT THE COUNTY. AND ON THE RADIO LAST WEEKEND, YOU REBRANDED IT AS A BOONDOGGLE. THANKS FOR LISTENING. MEANWHILE, DIRECTOR COLEMAN NOW ACKNOWLEDGES SHE ACTED ON PARTIAL INFORMATION AND AFTER A COMPLETE FINANCIAL AND OPERATIONAL REVIEW, SUPPORTS THE PROJECT. SUPERVISOR KELSTROM NOW SUPPORTS IT. DOCTOR MU HAS RETURNED TO SUPPORTING IT. NINE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS IN MORE THAN 50 ORGANIZATIONS, AGENCIES AND LEADERS HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS OF SUPPORT. BUT INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOUR EARLIER CLAIMS WERE INCORRECT, YOU TOLD SHASTA SCOUT YOU NOW SUPPORT TRUE NORTH BECAUSE THE STATE HAS CAPITULATED. DID NOT COLEMAN'S OWN. COLEMAN'S OWN STATEMENT CONTAINS NO MENTION OF ANY STATE CONCESSION. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE ANYTHING CHANGED AT THE STATE LEVEL. ADD TO THAT, YOU'VE NOW SHIFTED AGAIN BY SAYING YOU DON'T SUPPORT IT BUT ARE LETTING CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN. THEN YOU DOG WHISTLE ABOUT HAVING SHASTA LAKE CITIZENS SHUT IT DOWN IN THE BUILDING PROCESS. SIMULTANEOUSLY, YOU'RE POSTURING PEOPLE IN DISTRICT TWO AS NIMBYS BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS OF THE ALTERNATIVE CUSTODY PROJECT. YOU GET THE IRONY HERE. RIGHT NOW, I'VE SPOKEN WITH MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, MANY OF WHOM USED TO WORK AT SHASTA COUNTY. THEY WERE LEFT. THEY LEFT OR WERE PUSHED OUT, AND NOW ARE BUILDING SOLUTIONS ON THEIR OWN THAT THE GOVERNMENT REFUSED TO PURSUE. NOW THAT'S THE REAL IRONY. EXPERIENCED PUBLIC SECTOR STAFF ARE NOW SUCCEEDING ELSEWHERE WHILE THE COUNTY STRUGGLES UNDER POLITICAL THEATRICS. NEXT UP JENNY, FOLLOWED BY MAX WALTER, THEN NICK GARDNER. THANK YOU. WELCOME. I DON'T CARE WHY PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR MIND. I'M JUST HAPPY THEY DID. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS DISCUSSION FORWARD WHEN IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY. I'M GLAD TO SEE CHANGE AND GROWTH WITHIN STAFF TO SEE COOPERATION AND COORDINATION BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND COMMUNITY. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL THING. THIS WILL HELP THE MENTALLY DISTRESSED TO RECOVER FASTER. INSTEAD OF WAITING MONTHS FOR AN OPEN BED, ONE WILL BE HERE INSTEAD OF BEING SHIPPED HOURS AWAY. FAMILIES WILL BE NEARBY INSTEAD OF JAIL TIME FOR PEOPLE LIKE JOHN ADINA. WE WILL BE SAVING THEIR LIVES WITH TRUE AND MEANINGFUL MEDICAL MEDICAL CARE. AND I HOPE YOU GET TO OPEN YOUR MEDICAL FACILITY, KEVIN, BECAUSE PERHAPS IT WILL HELP STAFF IT. A TRUE CHANCE TO CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE OF SHASTA COUNTY FOREVER AND TO PULL AHEAD. SO THANK YOU EVERYONE. NEXT UP, MAX WALTER, FOLLOWED BY NICK GARDNER. THANK YOU. WELCOME. THANK YOU. WELCOME. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I'M HERE TO SAY KUDOS TO CHRIS KELSTROM AND TO CHRISTY COLEMAN FOR HAVING THE COURAGE TO CHANGE THEIR MIND AND REMOVE THEIR OPPOSITION AND ACTUAL SUPPORT. THIS. IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR ANY OF US TO CHANGE OUR MINDS TODAY IN THE. ENVIRONMENT THAT WE LIVE IN. AND I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT COURAGE TO DO THAT. IT MAY NOT BE YOUR WHEELHOUSE, BUT IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT. AND IT'S KIND OF OUTRAGEOUS TO ME THAT ALL FIVE OF YOU WEREN'T IN ATTENDANCE LAST NIGHT, THAT YOU HAD SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT TO DO. [01:50:01] APPARENTLY. I'D LIKE TO THANK MATT FOR FACILITATING THAT EVENT LAST NIGHT. I LEARNED SO MUCH. PRIMARILY, I LEARNED THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM WORKS, THAT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, THEY'RE BROUGHT. THE ONLY PLACE THAT THEY'RE TAKEN TO IS THE EMERGENCY ROOM. AND THE DOCTORS HAVE TO CARE FOR THEM, AND THEY'RE NOT RELEASED UNTIL THEY FIND A PLACE FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO GO. SO WHEN YOU COME IN AND YOU FROM YOUR CAR ACCIDENT, YOUR PHYSICIAN NOT ONLY HAS TO JUGGLE YOUR CARE, BUT THE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM, AND THEY HAVE AN AVERAGE OF TWO PEOPLE EVERY DAY WHO ARE BROUGHT TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM WITH A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. SIGNATURE CARED FOR, HAS CARED FOR 800,000 PEOPLE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, 800 000 PEOPLE. SO AGAIN, I SAY CHRIS AND CHRISTY, WHEN YOUR TIME IS DONE AS A PUBLIC SERVANT, I BELIEVE THAT YOU'LL LOOK BACK ON THIS AND WITH PRIDE THAT YOU SUPPORTED THIS. AND I HOPE THAT WHEN THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, IT'S UNANIMOUS THAT SHASTA COUNTY WANTS TO HAVE SUPPORT FOR THIS. THANK YOU. NICK GARDNER, I'M SURE THIS IS OUR LAST SPEAKER. WELCOME. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO THANK KEVIN CRYE FOR LOOKING OUT FOR THE FINANCIAL LIABILITIES OF SHASTA COUNTY. A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD JUST SAY, YEAH, LET'S DO IT NO MATTER WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US. EXCUSE ME. IT'S A PLEASURE TO CORRECT JEFF GORDON AGAIN. IT'S NOT $150 MILLION PROJECT. IT'S A $204 MILLION PROJECT. THAT'S WHAT I READ LAST NIGHT. ALTHOUGH MACHADO SAID IT WAS 206 AND ONLY 41 MILLION IS PRIVATE, NOT 50 MILLION. JEFF, I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING ANYBODY THAT CAN'T GET THINGS LIKE THAT STRAIGHT. IT WAS RIGHT UP ON THE BIG SCREEN LAST NIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT HAS CHANGED MY MIND IN THINKING THAT THIS MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT FOR SHASTA COUNTY IS THEY WERE ASKED. THE HEAD GUY WAS ASKED WHAT WOULD KEEP THE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF THE AREA, FROM DIFFERENT COUNTIES, FROM JUST STAYING IN SHASTA COUNTY. AND HE SAID THAT THEY WILL PERSONALLY TRANSPLANT, TRANSPORT THEM BACK TO THEIR HOME COUNTY AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE HOUSING WHEN THEY GET THERE. SO THAT'S A BIG PLUS THERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S OUR LAST SPEAKER, MISS BLANKENSHIP. YES. OKAY. WE'LL BRING IT BACK. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENT? ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANT TO SAY IS, AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT PUBLIC SPEAKERS COME UP AND I DO MY BEST. I DO MY BEST TO NOT RESPOND. AND I'M NOT PERFECT. AND BUT I WANT TO SAY THIS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR, YOU KNOW, I EMPLOY QUITE A FEW PEOPLE DURING THE SUMMER, JUST UNDER 600 AND CHRISTY COLEMAN AND HER ENTIRE STAFF. AND THERE'S PROBABLY 8 TO 10 PEOPLE ROUGHLY ON HER LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT HELPED IN THIS PROCESS. WORKED EXTREMELY HARD. I KNOW I ATTENDED WITH THE SHERIFF AND I BELIEVE. SUPERVISOR WERE YOU THERE THIS SUMMER AT SCOHY? YEAH. SO SUPERVISOR PLUMMER WAS THERE WITH ARCH COLLABORATIVE AND MISS KIMBERLY JOHNSON AND HAD A PRESENTATION AND A DIALOG. AND I KNOW OUR HHS STAFF HAD WORKED EXTREMELY HARD FOR MONTHS, AS MANY OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS DO. AND I STAND BEHIND HER STILL WITH THE APPROACH. NOTHING WAS RUSHED. WHEN YOU DON'T GET ANSWERS, IT'S LIKE THAT GAME OF CHICKEN. I BELIEVE SHASTA COUNTY HELD FAST AND WE'RE NOW REAPING THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS. WE DO KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET REIMBURSEMENTS. AND SO CHRISTIAN GARDNER MAYBE CAN FACT CHECK THIS, BUT THAT WILL SAVE US IF IT ALL GOES AS POSSIBLY PROPOSED, OVER A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. OF COURSE, HE WILL SAY IT COST US TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND I AND THIS BOARD LOST US THAT MONEY. BUT THAT IS INCORRECT. OUR ACTIONS TO THIS POINT HAVE SAVED US A LOT OF POSSIBLE MONEY. AND AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT TO BE SEEN. WE HAVE A MOTION BY SUPERVISOR PLUMMER AMENDED TO FIT THE THINGS I HAD IN THIS. WE WILL WORK ON THIS TOGETHER. WE WILL BRING THIS LETTER BACK IF THERE IS NO OTHER COMMENTS. O SUPERVISOR HARMON. I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT'S QUITE FRUSTRATING SOMETIMES WHEN YOU SIT UP HERE AND YOU ARE TASKED WITH MAKING A DECISION, YOU TAKE IT. YOU TAKE THE TIME TO TALK TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU SHOULD BE LISTENING TO. LIKE CHRISTY COLEMAN, I TOOK THE TIME TO DO THAT. AND THEN I SIT HERE IN THAT LAST MEETING REGARDING THE THIS DECISION HERE AND LISTEN [01:55:01] TO EVERYBODY TALK. IT WAS VERY IMPACTFUL TO ME, JUDY, LISTENING TO YOU TALK. I HAVE I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, LIKE JUDY DOES, AN INTEREST IN OUR HEALTH, OUR MENTAL HEALTH DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE. BUT WHEN I LISTEN TO AND I HADN'T MADE MY MIND UP. AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO SAY YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE JUST FOLLOWING KEVIN'S LEAD. I DON'T JUST FOLLOW KEVIN'S LEAD. THAT'S NOT TALKING FROM THE AUDIENCE. LET THE MAN SPEAK. I'M. I'M A BIG BOY. I MAKE MY OWN DECISION, AND I BASED MY DECISION WHAT I THINK IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. AM I PERFECT? NO, BUT I WANT TO. I WANT TO HEAR. I WANT TO HEAR EVERYTHING. LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I LISTENED TO DANICA, THAT WAS IMPACTFUL TO ME. IT WAS ALSO IMPACTFUL TO ME THAT, AND I FORGET THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME FROM THAT WAS VERY IMPACTFUL TO ME LISTENING, LISTENING TO THAT AND THEN US MAKING THE DECISION NOT TO, TO SUPPORT IT IN THAT LAST. THAT WASN'T A BAD DECISION. QUIT SAYING THAT WAS A BAD DECISION. WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT. WE'RE STILL MASSAGING THE WHOLE THING. THANK YOU. CHRISTY. SHE'S DOING THE SAME THING. WE'RE ALL WE'RE ALL STILL LISTENING AND AND TRYING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION, NOT JUST THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM OR THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM, OR THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. I THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT'S WHAT NOT WHAT IT'S ABOUT. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. I HAVE THE UNIONS GETTING A HOLD OF ME SAYING, YOU'RE YOU'RE AFFECTING OUR JOBS. IT'S NOT ABOUT JOBS. IT'S NOT ABOUT CONSTRUCTION JOBS, BUILDING A BUILDING. IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND I WANT, I WANT TO KNOW, I WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO SHASTA COUNTY. I WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO HELP OUR MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS IN SHASTA COUNTY. AND WE ALL KNOW WE WE HAVE LOTS OF NEEDS. WE ALL ARE AFFECTED. I'M SURE YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK VERY FAR IN YOUR OWN FAMILY TO REALIZE THAT THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD NEEDS AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING THOSE NEEDS. BUT THERE ARE SIMPLE THINGS. WELL, THEY'RE NOT SIMPLE, BUT THERE'S BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. AND WHEN WE CONSIDERED HOW MANY BEDS, HOW MUCH IT WAS GOING TO COST, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT? OR ARE THEY JUST GOING TO GET FILLED FROM OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY? AND IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY, BUT MY JOB, THESE MEN'S JOB, OUR JOB OUT HERE IS TO IS TO LOOK OUT FOR SHASTA COUNTY. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR SHASTA COUNTY. SO PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH THE PROCESS. I THINK WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER ANY OTHER DIALOG CHAIR? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE CHAIR IF WE COULD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAKER OF THE OR SORRY, THE SECOND OF THE MOTION WAS OKAY WITH THE AMENDMENT. YES, I DID VERBALLY HEAR SUPERVISOR PLUMMER WAS OKAY WITH IT. SUPERVISOR LONG ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT AS WELL? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND AND THAT WILL INCLUDE ALL OF THAT. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. THANK YOU FOR THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND AGAIN, NOBODY, NOBODY KNOWS SUPERVISOR HARMON'S EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE HAS ANYTHING GREATER. NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT OTHER ONES OUT THERE, BUT THIS MAN UNDERSTANDS IT ON A DEEP, VERY PERSONAL LEVEL. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE VOTE ALL AT ONCE. IN SUPERVISOR PLUMMER MOTION, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR LONG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. SO THAT WILL FIVE ZERO. THAT WILL COME BACK UP. WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY WHEN IT WOULD COME BACK, BUT WE'LL SEE IF THAT CAN'T COME BACK SOON AND HOW QUICKLY STAFF CAN GET ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO OUR IT'LL BE PUBLIC COMMENT CHAIR PUBLIC COMMENT. [PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD - OPEN TIME] THAT'S RIGHT. SORRY. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? 17. 17. ALL RIGHT. I THINK IF WE CAN HAMMER THROUGH THIS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH OUR LAST REGULAR CALENDAR ITEM BEFORE CLOSED SESSION IF YOU WOULD PLEASE LIKE TO GET IN QUEUE. SORRY. FIRST UP MO, FOLLOWED BY MARGARET HANSON, KIMBERLY MOLSON, DAWN DUCKETT. I DON'T SEE MO. NOT SEEING MO. MARGARET HANSON. WELCOME. IF YOUR FIRST NAME IS KIMBERLY AND YOUR YOU PUT A LAST NAME ON THERE. WE WEREN'T SURE WE COULDN'T READ IT. SO WE BELIEVE IT'S NELSON. BUT THAT WOULD BE. WHO'S UP NEXT? OKAY. I KIND OF WANTED TO ADDRESS THE HOTELS AND MOTELS THAT YOU GUYS MENTIONED TODAY. IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING, BUT I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING WHAT THE CITY OF REDDING HAS BEEN LOOKING AT. [02:00:01] AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THESE HOTELS DO NOT HAVE PERMITS FOR DOING TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. AND SO, BUT THEY DON'T WANT THEM JUST TO KICK EVERYBODY OUT ON THE STREET TOO. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THIS OUT. AND I WANT YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT, THOUGH, BECAUSE READING IS PART OF SHASTA COUNTY. THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE HOUSED THERE, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGMENT SO THAT PEOPLE TRYING TO RENT AT THESE HOTELS LIKE THE ONE ON BOCELLI AND THE ONE ON CYPRUS THAT FAMILIES AND PEOPLE ARE THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING ON. IT'S PRETTY DRAMATIC BECAUSE YEAH, ONE OF THEM, THEY, THEY HOUSE PEDOPHILES AND ARSONISTS AND IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE HOTEL, BUT IT'S, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THESE KIND OF THINGS BECAUSE THERE WAS A RV THAT WAS LIT ON FIRE NEXT TO THE GAS STATION RIGHT THERE. AND IT'S JUST PRETTY DRAMATIC STUFF GOING ON. SO JUST KEEP AN EYE ON THESE THINGS. FOLLOW THE MONEY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE CITY OR THE COUNTY IS REALLY INVOLVED IN HOUSING THESE PEOPLE AT THESE MOTELS. I THINK FOLLOWING THE THE ORDINANCES AND THE LAWS ARE QUITE IMPORTANT, SO THANK YOU. KIMBERLY, COME ON UP. FOLLOWED BY DON DUCKETT, CHRISTOPHER ENRIQUEZ, THEN BEV, IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. WELCOME. HI. GOOD MORNING. I'M CALLING. I'M COMING IN TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT NEXT TO OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY DOWN SOUTH OF REDDING AND THE THE RIVER RANCH NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A 90 ACRE MULTIFUNCTIONAL CORRECTIONAL FACILITY GOING IN RIGHT NEXT TO OUR, OUR HOMES ACTUALLY ALONG ONE SIDE THE BORDER IS GOING TO BE THE FENCING OF THEIR THE HOMES AND THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY. WE HAVE A SMALL FACILITY. WE HAVE A SMALL COMMUNITY THERE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS. WE REALLY ENJOY THE QUIETNESS AND NOBODY REALLY KNOWS THAT WE'RE THERE. WE'VE BEEN UNDER WE'VE NOT BEEN TOLD THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND NOW WE'RE VERY CONCERNED. THE FACILITY IS GOING TO BE VERY LARGE. IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO HOUSE OVER 1200 INMATES. OF VARYING LEGAL PROBLEMS. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A LARGE FARM FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO THAT WITH POSSIBLE WATER CONTAMINATION. WE ALL HAVE WELLS IN THAT AREA. THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASE OF TRAFFIC FLOW ON EAST SIDE ROAD. THE ADDRESS IS IS 7251 EAST SIDE ROAD. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE INFLOW OF TRAFFIC. THE POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT CONTAMINATION IN THE AREA. WE'RE, WE'RE A NICE LITTLE DARK COMMUNITY. WE CAN SEE THE STARS STILL THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF LIGHT. WHO KNOWS WHAT THE NOISE LEVELS ARE GOING TO BE AT THAT POINT. WE'RE CONCERNED FOR OUR FAMILIES AND OUR PROPERTY. THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A DECREASE IN OUR OUR PROPERTY VALUE WITH JUST THE RUMOR THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE GOING IN. NEXT UP, DON DUCKETT FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER ENRIQUEZ, BEV, THEN DOLORES LUCERO. GOOD MORNING. BOARD. I HAVE A MIXED BAG OF COMMENTS TODAY. CORKY, YOU SAID THAT EARLIER THAT YOUR PRIMARY CONCERN WAS SERVING THE CITIZENS OF SHASTA COUNTY AND LOOKING OUT FOR THEM. AND BOY, I WISH YOU WOULD HAVE CARRIED THAT SAME SENTIMENT DURING THE MEETING WHERE YOU HIRED THE REGISTRAR OF VOTERS, CLINT CURTIS. BECAUSE DURING THAT MEETING, YOU SAID IT WAS BIGGER THAN SHASTA COUNTY AND THAT YOUR DECISION WAS BASED ON SOMETHING BIGGER BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO CREATE A BLUEPRINT FOR THE STATE AND THE NATION TO FOLLOW. WHILE WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET CRISIS AT HOME. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT TO YOU. I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT ON ITEM, I BELIEVE IT'S C SIX. IT'S THE APPOINTMENT TO THE ELECTIONS COMMISSION. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. I'M JUST PERPLEXED ABOUT THAT. THE ELECTIONS COMMISSION HAS BEEN A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY AND A DRAIN ON THE COUNTY BUDGET. IT'S A REGURGITATION OF ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT ELECTIONS THAT OCCUR [02:05:01] HERE AT THE BOARD. IT HAS SAVED NO TIME AND HAS DONE NOTHING BUT DIVIDE THE COMMUNITY. SO I'M PERPLEXED AS TO WHY WE ARE EVEN ENTERTAINING THE THOUGHT OF ADDING TO THAT PANEL. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, CHRISTOPHER ENRIQUEZ, FOLLOWED BY BEV. DOLORES LUCERO, THEN CHRIS BAGLEY. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER ENRIQUEZ. I LIVE ON RIVERCREST DRIVE IN ANDERSON. I'M ADDRESSING YOU TODAY TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY AT 7251 EAST SIDE ROAD, A PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE CUSTODY FACILITY WHICH IS SLATED TO EVOLVE INTO A MALE COMMUNITY REENTRY PROGRAM FACILITY AND A 1200 BED JAIL, ALL OF WHICH WILL BE AFFECTING MY FAMILY AND MY NEIGHBORS SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. I'VE FOUND THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME MISLEADING INFORMATION OUT THERE AS TO WHEN THIS NEW JAIL AT THIS LOCATION CAN BE BUILT. THE MEDIA AND SHERIFF JOHNSON HAVE SAID SUCH THINGS AS, AND I QUOTE, SHASTA COUNTY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF JAIL BEDS OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT JAIL IN DOWNTOWN REDDING FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, MEANING IT MAY BE 2 OR 2 TWO DECADES OR MORE UNTIL A NEW JAIL COULD BE BUILT AT THIS NEW ALTERNATIVE SITE. WELL, THIS IS CONTRADICTORY TO THE LEASE AGREEMENT Y'ALL SIGNED WITH THE CITY. SECTION ONE OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT STATES THE COUNTY SHALL DEVELOP THE PREMISES FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING CUSTODY, OPERATIONS AND OTHER GENERAL COUNTY BUSINESS. SECTION SIX OF THE LEASE STATES AND IT'S TITLED COVENANT AGAINST DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT. IT SAYS THE COUNTY WILL NOT EXPAND THE EXISTING NUMBER OF JAIL BEDS OUTSIDE THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE JAIL, LOCATED AT 1655 WEST STREET, FOR A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS. IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE JAIL DOWN THERE, ACCORDING TO ME. THE 20 YEAR EXEMPTION ONLY APPLIES HERE TO THIS WEST STREET LOCATION. THEREFORE, THE PURPOSE OF YOUR PROJECT AS AGREED IN THE LEASE AND NOT AS REPORTED BY ANYONE ON THIS BOARD, THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE SHERIFF IS TO BUILD A CUSTODY FACILITY. ALSO, I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT THE PROJECTED COST OF THE CAMPUS, AS YOU CALL IT. I RECENTLY A 150 BED JAIL IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA AREA COST $376 MILLION AND WAS TWO YEARS BEHIND SCHEDULE AND TEKAMAH COUNTY. THEIR ADULT REENTRY FACILITY IS 64 BEDS, 12 YEARS IN THE MAKING AND IS STILL BEHIND AND NOT OPEN YET. OUR COURTHOUSE COST US $203 MILLION AND TOOK SIX YEARS FROM SIX YEARS FROM GROUNDBREAKING. I THINK THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IS REQUIRED HERE, AND THAT WE CAN'T EVEN. NEXT UP, BEV, FOLLOWED BY DOLORES LUCERO, CHRIS BAGLEY, THEN LESLIE. IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE. THANK YOU. HELLO. I WANTED TO SAY THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE FOLLOW UP ON THESE HOTELS. BECAUSE SEVERAL OF THE HOTELS ARE GETTING SO MUCH MONEY AND SURPRISE. THEY'RE OWNED BY THE SAME COMPANIES. IT'S BEEN IN OTHER COUNTIES, IT'S BEEN PROVEN THAT THESE HOTELS ARE BEING USED TO TRAFFIC PEOPLE AND CHILDREN AND ALSO FOR DRUGS. I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN IT UP. OKAY. AND, MATT, I'M PLEASED TO SEE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING SOMEONE ON THE COMMISSION. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE REACTIVATE THE COMMISSION. WE HAVE LOST SO MUCH TIME AND VALUABLE TIME TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND WITH ALL THE NEW LAWS THAT MIGHT BE COMING DOWN TO TRY TO SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, WE NEED THE COMMISSION TO STAY ON TOP OF IT AND HELP CLINT IMPLEMENT THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, DOLORES LUCERO, FOLLOWED BY CHRIS BAGLEY, LESLIE, THEN STEVE CONN. EVERY TIME I COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND ATTEND THEM AND ACTUALLY COME UP HERE AND SPEAK, I DON'T COME HERE TO BASICALLY MAKE FRIENDS OR, OR TRY TO JUST, YOU KNOW, BE NICE. THE REASON WHY I ATTEND THEM IS BECAUSE YOU VIOLATE SO MANY LAWS. THE FIRST ONE I'M GOING TO SAY IS KEVIN CRYE. YOU'RE SUCH A LIAR AND A HYPOCRITE. YOU ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHEN BENJAMIN WAS UP HERE AND SPEAKING UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED TO HAVE RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER, AND YET YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE TO INTERRUPT HIS FREEDOM OF SPEECH UNDER THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF THE BROWN ACT VIOLATION. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT I'M GOING TO GO ON TO YOU. YOU'RE A LIAR WHEN YOU GO ON YOUR RADIO SHOW, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T ANNOUNCE THAT PEOPLE TO TELL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE KICKED OUT OUT OF CARL BARKS RADIO SHOW. CASEY THAT'S WHY YOU WENT TO KQ MS BECAUSE YOU GOT KICKED OUT BECAUSE YOU YELLED AT CARL, BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU WANT TO GO IN THERE AND CONTROL AND HAVE EVERY DAY TO GO ON THE RADIO. THAT'S WHY YOU, YOU, YOU GOT KICKED OUT. THAT'S WHY YOU WENT TO CARL FROST RADIO STATION. SO. AND ANOTHER THING, EVERY TIME YOU KICK US OUT OUT OF THIS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ALL OF YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU'RE VIOLATING THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT TITLE 242 MULTIPLE LAWS HERE. I CAN'T EVEN GO ON AND ON. [02:10:01] BUT YOU'RE VIOLATING OUR RIGHTS TO KICK US OUT. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE DISABILITY, FOR US TO STAND OUT THERE IN THE HALLWAY. NO HEATING, NO CHAIRS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE DISABLED DISABILITY, WHICH I DO HAVE ONE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO FIND YOURSELF IN A LAWSUIT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DISABLED FOR A LONG TIME. AND THEREFORE YOU WILL HAVE MY, MY, MY, NOT MY COMPLAINT, BUT MY LAWSUIT AGAINST THE AMERICAN DISABILITY ACT FOR VIOLATING MY RIGHTS. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, MISTER CHRIS, YOU VIOLATED MULTIPLE LAWS AND YOU TOO, MR. CEO REGARDING SEXUAL HARASSMENT THAT WAS NOT INVESTIGATED. SO YOU NEED TO INVESTIGATE, FOLLOWED BY LESLIE STEVE KHAN, THEN CHRISTIAN GARDNER. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THAT'S HARD TO FOLLOW UP. I KNOW SOME OF YOU KNOW ME. I BELONG TO THE RIVERSIDE RIVERCREST AREA SUBDIVISION WHERE THIS. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT AS I FEEL MONSTROSITIES GOING IN. I LIVE ONE HOUSE AWAY FROM WHERE THIS IS GOING IN. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 36 YEARS. IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO GATHER THE MONEY TOGETHER TO BUY A RIVERFRONT PIECE OF PROPERTY. THIS IS A VERY QUIET COMMUNITY. ALL OF US HAVE SUPPORT EACH OTHER. AND I THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN TO OUR COMMUNITY. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SAFE. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GUYS SAY. RESPECTFULLY, WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU INTIMATELY, AND WE FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NOT RESPECTING US. YOU JAM THIS THING THROUGH WITHOUT GIVING US PROPER NOTICE. WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS THING WAS GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL OCTOBER, AND WE WERE GOING TO ATTEND THAT MEETING, AND THEN WE WERE TOLD IT WAS GOING TO BE SHOVED BACK TO JANUARY. WELL, THERE'S BEEN MEETINGS GOING ON THE WHOLE TIME AND WE WERE NOT PRIVY TO THAT. SO AND THE OTHER THING IS THE OTHER MANY THINGS IS I DID I SAW CHRIS OUT THERE. I WENT TO A MEETING, THE SUSTAINABILITY AGENDA OUT AT MCCONNELL. AND IT IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR GROUNDWATER. WE'RE ALL ON WELLS. I TALKED TO THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THERE. THEY'RE ALL VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THIS. AND IT IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR GROUNDWATER. OUR GROUNDWATER IS PURE. MY WATER THERE IS PURE. I DRINK IT RIGHT OUT OF THE FAUCET LIKE I DID WHEN I WAS A KID. AND I SHOW THIS PICTURE TO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. THE FIRST THING OUT OF THEIR MOUTH IS WHO'S STUPID? CRAZY IDEA IS THIS TO PUT THIS JAIL NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD? I THINK IT'S NUTS. THANK YOU. LESLIE. FOLLOWED BY STEVE KHAN, CHRISTIAN GARNIER, BEN THEN DAVID HALLIGAN. SO FIRST OFF, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND HOW FRUSTRATING THAT COULD BE TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE SURPRISED BY SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY CAN DO TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND INFORM THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I STAND ON A ROOFTOP SCREAMING, THE SKY IS FALLING. PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION. AND THEN THEY ACT SURPRISED BECAUSE THESE TYPES OF THINGS HAVE BEEN ON AGENDAS AT THE CITY IN HERE FOR OVER EIGHT MONTHS. SO THEN WHEN THEY REACH OUT TO THE DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS FOR THE MEDIA AGENCIES, IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL THEM THAT THERE WERE THREE OPTIONS FOR THIS ALTERNATIVE CUSTODY PROGRAM FOR OVER EIGHT MONTHS. SO I GET THAT. IT'S FRUSTRATING. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S FRUSTRATING. THERE'S TIME FOR INPUT. THERE WAS TIME FOR INPUT WHILE THEY WERE MAKING THE DECISION WHICH PROPERTY? AND REALLY, I THINK THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SPOKE OUT WAS A WRITTEN ARGUMENT BY THE BASEBALL COMPOUND SAYING, PLEASE DON'T TAKE HALF OF OUR FIELDS AND PUT IT THERE. I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY PUSHBACK THAT THEY GOT AT THE CITY LEVEL. SO AND AGAIN, THE CITY IS CONNECTED TO THE COUNTY. IT'S ALL ONE AREA WE WANT REDDING. WE WANT SHASTA COUNTY TO BE AMAZING, BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL. WE ALL KNOW WE NEED THESE SERVICES. WE NEED THESE THINGS. BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS. YES. I REQUESTED FROM THE BOARD TO CLOSE THE CHAMBERS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE IN HERE ATTACKING OTHER PEOPLE, SCREAMING IN A BULLHORN, CHASING PEOPLE AROUND THE ROOM, GETTING IN PEOPLE'S FACES. AND BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC SPACE, THE SHERIFF CANNOT AND WILL NOT ACT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN HERE. SO SINCE PEOPLE CANNOT BEHAVE THEMSELVES, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. SO I APPRECIATE IT. AND IT'S FUNNY THAT IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE THAT CAN'T BEHAVE THEMSELVES THAT WANT TO SUE THE COUNTY OVER IT. STEVE CONN, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIAN GARDNER, BEN DAVID HALLIGAN, [02:15:03] THEN RONNIE DILLON. HELLO AGAIN. SUPERVISOR HARMON. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TRUE NORTH, YOU STATED THAT YOU GUYS DECIDED NOT TO SUPPORT THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH THING, BUT IT WAS MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT. THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ACTUALLY SENT A LETTER OF OPPOSITION, AND THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. NOW, YOU MAY NOT HAVE REALIZED THAT AT THE TIME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENTIATION. WITH US GETTING READY TO START A NEW YEAR. I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME MAJOR CHANGES WHEN IT COMES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY IT'S BEEN RUN. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ORIGINALLY THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND NIGHT MEETINGS CREATED IN ORDER TO GET GREATER PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS CRYE HAS REDUCED THE TIME PERIOD FOR SPEAKING TO TWO MINUTES. NOW HE'LL SAY, WELL, THAT'S ONLY WHEN THERE'S OVER TEN, BUT HE HAS PEOPLE THAT AT WILL WILL SIGN UP TO SPEAK AT ANY TIME SO HE CAN LIMIT IT ANY TIME HE WISHES. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A PREPARED COMMENT, YOU HAVE TO WRITE IT FOR TWO MINUTES. YOU CAN'T WRITE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO WRITE IT FOR THREE. SO IN ESSENCE, IT'S SIMPLY BEEN REDUCED. ALSO, HE COMBINED THE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME PERIOD WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME PERIOD. SO WE USED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK SEPARATELY ON THOSE ISSUES AND WE CAN NO LONGER. SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF SOME OF THOSE THINGS CHANGED. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHANGE. AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE ELIMINATED THAT NOW ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TAXPAYERS OF SHASTA COUNTY, RATHER THAN BEING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPERS. ANYWAY, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WE CAN DO THIS NEXT YEAR AND I HOPE WE HEAD IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION. THANK YOU. CHRISTIAN GARNIER, FOLLOWED BY BEN DAVID HALLIGAN, RONNIE DILLON, THEN JENNY. I MADE A MISTAKE AND I WAS HOPING THAT I WOULD BE CALLED UP FOR FOR R FOUR GOT SWITCHED TO R FIVE. ANYWAY, HERE'S MY R FOUR. CORKY I'VE WRITTEN A LOT OF 5150. AND SIR, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO SIT WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S SMEARING FECES ON ON THE WALL IN A HOSPITAL AND TO HAVE A DOCTOR SCREAM AND YELL AT YOU TO GET THAT PERSON OUT OF HERE. YOU'RE ON THE PHONE 3:00 IN THE MORNING. THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE? YES, SIR. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE A FAMILY CRYING, DESPERATELY SEEKING HELP FOR THEIR SPOUSE, AND THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO CLEAR FROM SUBSTANCE ABUSE? SO I CAN MAKE AN ASSESSMENT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE? OR IS THIS A, ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER SUBSTANCE ABUSE? YES, SIR. THERE'S A LOT OF PAIN IN THIS COUNTY. YOU KNOW IT PERSONALLY, I APPLAUD DIRECTOR COLEMAN. I APPLAUD CHRIS KELSTROM. I APPLAUD DOCTOR MU. I APPLAUD THE LEADERSHIP OF MR. PLUMMER. I APPLAUD THE OVER 50 PROFESSIONALS IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO HAVE SUPPORTED THIS INITIATIVE YOU WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD. I APPLAUD THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE A TRAINING FACILITY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO GET UP TO SPEED. IT WILL PROVIDE OVER 200 JOBS. AND SIR, WILL IT? IT WILL RESERVE BEDS FOR SHASTA COUNTY. IF SHASTA COUNTY CHOOSES TO PAY FOR IT. THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES WITH REST PAD. THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES WITH ANY OTHER HOSPITAL. SIR, YOU NEED TO RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION. NEXT IS BEN AND THEN DAVID HALLIGAN. SO A LOT OF STUFF WAS COVERED IN THIS MEETING DIRECTLY, BUT DURING THE REGULAR ITEMS. BUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I AM HOPEFUL FOR THE NEXT YEAR. I HAVE WATCHED THE COMMUNITY RALLY AND START TO GET INVOLVED TO THE EXTENT TO WHERE WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GUESSING WHAT'S GOING ON. I MEAN, SOMETIMES THAT THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE AT THE GOVERNMENT LEVEL. BUT BUT WE'RE WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, PRESS RELEASES, THERE'S INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT COLLABORATIVES AND PROJECTS THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION GOING AROUND AND THERE'S A LOT MORE EXPERTS THAN THERE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, RUNNING THE COUNTY. WE HAVE CITIZEN EXPERTS ON SO MANY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. [02:20:04] THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS YOU KNOW, TODAY MY WIFE WAS ACTUALLY IN COURT FOR HER FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTED RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING. A JUDGE RECUSED HIMSELF THIS MORNING, SO WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT. WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS. BUT I DO BELIEVE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE SOVEREIGNTY OF OUR COMMUNITY, THAT OUR CITIZENS KNOW THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK OUT. THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE CRITICAL AND REDRESS THEIR GRIEVANCES WITH THE GOVERNMENT. DAVID HALLIGAN, FOLLOWED BY RONNIE DILLON, JENNY THEN NICK GARDNER. WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU MATT. GREAT JOB LAST NIGHT WITH THE MEETING. ONE THING THAT WAS KIND OF LEFT OUT WAS WE HAD A HOSPITAL LEADER THAT SAID THEY HAVE HAD PATIENTS IN THE HOSPITAL, MENTAL HEALTH PATIENTS FOR UP TO A MONTH, TWO MONTHS INTO THE INTO THE EMERGENCY, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T RELEASE THEM UNTIL THEY CAN FIND A PLACE FOR THEM. MR. L'AMOUR AND BOARD, I'M SPEAKING ABOUT POLICY AND UNPROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR IN THE ELECTION DEPARTMENT NOW, FIRST SHIRTLESS CLINT CURTIS IN THE ELECTION OFFICE WITH HIS WIFE ON VIDEO, NOW BROADCASTED TO THE WORLD, TREATING HIS WIFE LIKE A PACK MULE, PULLING A SAFE. HOW'D THAT ONE GO OVER WITH THE UNION AND THE HR DEPARTMENT? SECOND, MEDIA UPDATES AND COMMENTS FROM NOVEMBER 7TH, ASSISTANT REGISTRAR BRANT TURNER SHARED A DARK PERSPECTIVE WITH THE SHASTA SCOUT, SAYING THE FORMER ELECTION OFFICIAL JOANNA PRESCOTT, IS, QUOTE, STILL RUNNING THE OFFICE, END QUOTE, AND ALLEGING THAT SHE AND FORMER REGISTRAR OF VOTERS CATHY DARLING ALLEN, QUOTE, APPARENTLY ADVISE OUR STAFF TO SLOW WALK CERTAIN PROCEDURES AND THEN IT IS LEAKED TO THE PRESS IN REAL TIME, END QUOTE. ASK FOR WHAT EVIDENCE TURNER HAD TO SUPPORT HIS CLAIM, TURNER SAID. MERELY QUOTE, THE STORY ABOUT THE MISSING BALLOT REPORT CAME OUT TOO FAST. END QUOTE. WOW. MR. TURNER, QUESTIONING THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR OWN ELECTION STAFF REALLY TALK ABOUT DARK ACCUSATIONS. OH, THAT'S RIGHT, MR. TURNER. I FORGOT YOU'RE PLAYING THE BLAME GAME AGAIN. CURTIS WAS ASKED, BUT DID NOT RESPOND TO A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ON TURNER'S ALLEGATION. NOW, AS I N CURTIS HAS STATED, YOU HEARD HIM TODAY THAT THIS ELECTION WENT OFF WITHOUT A HITCH. YES, WITHOUT A HITCH. YOU KNOW, BOARD, IT'S AN EXPRESSION MEANING THAT AN EVENT OR IN THIS CASE, THE ELECTION WENT SMOOTHLY, SUCCESSFULLY WITH NO PROBLEMS. THAT IS TOTALLY FALSE. AS I REMIND YOU, ALL THAT SAFE IN THE ELECTION OFFICE WAS HITCHED. YES. HITCHED TO MR. CURTIS'S WIFE. RONNIE DILLON, FOLLOWED BY JENNY NICK GARDNER, THEN LAURA HOBBS. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY DIRECTED TO YOU, KEVIN CRYE. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY I'M SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR MEDICAL ISSUES, AND I DO HOPE YOU RECOVER WELL AND ALL GOES WELL WITH THAT. HOWEVER AS OF EARLIER LAST MONTH, I WAS BLOCKED FROM YOUR KEVIN CRYE FACEBOOK PAGE, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. YOU DO PERFORM OFFICIAL BUSINESS ON THERE. I WILL NOT ACCEPT EXCUSES THAT YOUR MONITORS OR WHOEVER IS MANAGING YOUR ACCOUNT IS AT FAULT. BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE. SO I'M GIVING YOU 48 HOURS. WHICH IS A COURTESY. YOUR MONITORS OR YOURSELF DID NOT GIVE ME WHEN YOU BLOCKED ME FROM YOUR OFFICIAL PAGE. AS YOU ARE MY REPRESENTATIVE AND I AM IN YOUR DISTRICT. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO SO, THEN I WILL HAVE TO TAKE THE LEGAL NECESSARY ACTIONS FOR MY RIGHTS BEING VIOLATED. NOW, I'M SURE THAT YOU HAVE ABSOLUTE RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS THAT PROTECT FREEDOM OF SPEECH AS MUCH AS I DO. SO I EXPECT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING IN THE BETTER DIRECTION ON THIS. AND YOU HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR DAY AND I HOPE EVERYTHING GOES WELL WITH YOU. THANK YOU. JENNY. FOLLOWED BY NICK GARDNER, LAURA HOBBS, THEN DANA. I AGREE WITH OTHER SPEAKERS THAT DESPITE THE DIFFICULTIES I'VE HAD IN THIS ROOM WITH HEALTH PROBLEMS, I DON'T WISH THAT ON ANYONE. AND I HOPE YOU GET BETTER SOON. NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO C6 REINSTATING THE ELECTIONS COMMISSION WITHOUT DISCUSSION, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT THIS WAS A C ITEM AND NOT A REGULAR CALENDAR ITEM. THE BOARD THIS IS A TOUGH SUBJECT. YOU REINSTATE THE BOARD OR YOU REINSTATE YOU. YOU REINSTATE THE COMMISSION WITHOUT DISCUSSION. WHEN YOU NORMALLY DO THIS, RIGOROUS QUESTIONS AND ACTS AND THINGS, AND YOU FORCE PEOPLE TO RUN THE GAMBIT IN ORDER TO AWARD THEM WITH POSITION, OR EVEN WORSE, HUMILIATE THEM IN FRONT OF STAFF AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I CAN NAME SOME EXAMPLES LIKE NATHAN PINCKNEY, MY HUSBAND DON DUCKETT, ROBIN SCHURIG, JOE KAMINSKY. [02:25:01] THEY ALL SUFFERED UNDER YOUR WRATH BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SUITABLE FOR YOU. I WAS DRAGGED OUT OF A BOARD MEETING FOR ONE OF THESE. I ASKED THE BOARD NOT TO USE THE POLL TO NOT USE THEIR PULPIT TO DENIGRATE EMPLOYEES AND CITIZENS. AND NOW THERE'S NOT EVEN A DISCUSSION. IT'S JUST A CONSENT ITEM. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DISCREPANCY, WHY SOME PEOPLE SKATE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND OTHERS ARE RUN THROUGH THE WRINGER. NOT TO MENTION THE COMMISSION ITSELF IS CONTROVERSIAL, AND PICKING A MEMBER REINSTATES THE COMMISSION WITH NO DISCUSSION. HAS THE LAWSUIT BEEN SETTLED AND THE PUBLIC WASN'T MADE AWARE? BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A BROWN ACT VIOLATION. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY STRANGE ITEM. THANK YOU. NICK GARDNER FOLLOWED BY LAURA HOBBS, THEN DANA. I WANTED TO COMMENT TO STEVE COLLINS. THERE'S BEEN MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THIS BOARD. THE MAJOR PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN CREATED 90% BY THE FAILED RECALLERS. IT'S TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME. I THINK EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CHRIS KELSTROM OR CORKY HARMON OR EVEN KEVIN HIMSELF TO NOMINATE KEVIN TO BE CHAIR AGAIN THIS YEAR AND KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING. IT'S A DONE DEAL. STOP TALKING FROM THE CROWD. STOP TALKING FROM THE CROWD. I'D LIKE 10S BACK, PLEASE. WELL, I DON'T HAVE 10S WORTH LEFT. I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING. THIS WHOLE BOARD IS DOING WONDERFUL THINGS FOR OUR COUNTY. AND ALTHOUGH WHOEVER'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT CHAIR, IF IT'S NOT KEVIN, I'M SURE THEY'LL DO A GOOD JOB. BUT WE'LL LOSE JUST A LITTLE MOMENTUM THAT WE PROBABLY CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE. SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT YOU THREE. THANK YOU. LAURA HOBBS, FOLLOWED BY DANA. SUPER CLASSY. COME ON UP. GOOD MORNING BOARD. I, I DO SUPPORT YOU REINSTATING THE ELECTION COMMISSION. I THINK IT'S A VALUABLE SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS OVER THE ELECTION. AND I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MARK RENO, SO IT'S KIND OF UNUSUAL. I KIND OF AM CONCERNED THAT IT'S IN CONSENT BECAUSE WE DID WE GIVE WE GAVE THE OTHER CANDIDATES A LOT MORE SCRUTINY. I HE MIGHT BE A FINE CANDIDATE, BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY YOUR CHOICE, SO GO AHEAD AND APPOINT HIM. AND BUT YES, IT DOES NEED TO BE REINSTATED. I'M STILL NOT CLEAR EXACTLY WHY IT WAS STOPPED, WHY THE ELECTION COMMISSION HASN'T MET FOR A YEAR. BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND AS FAR AS THE ELECTIONS IN GENERAL, I, I, I WANT TO SAY THAT CLINT CURTIS HAS DONE A SUPERB JOB AND THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE IN THAT OFFICE WHO HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO THE MEDIA AND, AND KIND OF, AND BEING INSUBORDINATE TO CLINT CURTIS SO THERE'S THINGS THAT NEED TO BE IRONED OUT THERE. I CAN SPEAK FIRSTHAND THAT BECAUSE I WAS HELPING OUT COLLECTING BALLOTS, THERE WAS SOMETHING SPOKEN ABOUT ME TO THE MEDIA THAT WAS NOT TRUE, BUT I KNOW THAT IT HAD TO HAVE COME FROM INSIDE THE OFFICE. SO THERE'S ISSUES THERE THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE RESOLVED QUICKLY. AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN VENEZUELA RIGHT NOW IS VERY IMPORTANT AND PERTINENT TO US BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE VOTING MACHINES. THIS IS SOMETHING ON THE NATIONAL SCALE. IT'S HERE LOCALLY, BUT IT'S ALSO NATIONAL AND IT'S ALL BREAKING WIDE OPEN RIGHT NOW. SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT. I THINK SOME OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS MAY HAVE GIVEN YOU THE INFORMATION, BUT IF NOT, REACH OUT TO ME AND I CAN UPDATE YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DANA, COME ON UP AND CHAIR. THIS IS OUR LAST SPEAKER. I THINK SOMETIMES THERE'S NEED FOR A PAUSE. KEVIN, I AM DEEPLY SORRY TO HEAR THAT YOU FACE THIS FEAR AND THIS UNCERTAINTY. VERY SORRY. AND I CANNOT IMAGINE ANYONE INTRUDING UPON YOUR PRIVACY, AND I HOPE THEY DON'T. WE HAVE LOTS OF ROOM FOR DISAGREEMENT, BUT I HOPE THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM LEFT FOR HUMANITY. I'M SORRY YOU HAVE TO FACE THIS, AND I HOPE IT GOES VERY WELL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE THAT'S OUR LAST SPEAKER. YES. OKAY. SUPERVISOR. [CONSENT CALENDAR] PLUMMER. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T PULL C6 WHEN I ACTUALLY GOT THE AGENDA THERE. IF IT WAS A SINGLE ITEM. AND JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THERE WERE A BUNCH, IF YOU LOOK C FOUR THROUGH C EIGHT ARE ITEMS OF THE CLERK OF THE BOARD WHO, BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T SAY IT. MY SUPERVISOR REPORT, MISS BLANKENSHIP WAS ELECTED AS THE TREASURER WAS THE TREASURER. TREASURER FOR THE CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF CLERK OF THE [02:30:05] BOARDS. AND YES. AND SO WHEN, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU, WHEN A PERSON'S CHAIR, YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH THE CLERK OF THE BOARD AS IT RELATES. SO ONE THING I WILL SAY WHEN THERE'S ITEMS IN HERS I QUICKLY GLANCE THOSE AT REVIEW AND THEN LOOK AT THEM LATER. AND TO BE HONEST, WHEN SHE HAS A LOT OF APPOINTMENTS COMING WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER AND I JUST DID IT. IF IT WAS A SOLE THING ON C6, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE PUT IT AS A REGULAR CALENDAR ITEM, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE SUPERVISOR PLUMMER AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ON C6 WITHOUT ME JUST PULLING IT. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A COUPLE SECONDS. SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. SURE. SO I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY IS THAT THIS C6 DOES NOT REINSTATE THE ELECTION COMMISSION OR DO ANYTHING WITH REGARDS TO WHETHER THE ELECTION COMMISSION IS MEETING. THIS IS MERELY APPOINTING MY APPOINTMENT TO THIS IN TERMS OF I'LL BRIEFLY SHARE AND MARK IS HERE. BUT MARK IS ACTUALLY A NEIGHBOR OF MINE AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CITY AND COUNTY THINGS AND HE WAS ON THE CITY OF SHASTA LAKE CITY COUNCIL, AND SO HAS EXPERIENCE WITH RUNNING FOR ELECTED OFFICE, UNDERSTANDS ELECTIONS, HAS EXPERIENCE IN PUBLIC SERVICE, AND IS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE. AND SO IT FELT LIKE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW HIM TO REENGAGE IN THE COMMUNITY AND PARTICIPATE IN THIS WAY. THANK YOU. AND MR. RENO, I THINK WE UMPIRED PROBABLY 30 YEARS AGO. YES, WE BOTH LOOKED THE EXACT SAME. SO IT'S GREAT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T I KNOW. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE NO OTHER ITEMS GETTING PULLED FROM CONSENT. IS THAT TRUE, MISS BLANKENSHIP? THAT IS TRUE. I DO BELIEVE SUPERVISOR PLUMMER NEEDS TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. OKAY. SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. YES, I WILL BE RECUSING FROM C2, AS I DID IN THE LAST MEETING FOR THE SAME POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST RELATED TO THAT ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. PERFECT. WE HAVE A SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT CALENDAR BY SUPERVISOR KELSTROM. SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR. HARMON. SEEING. WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THEN PASSES FIVE ZERO. AND WE TOOK THOSE ALL AT ONCE WITH SUPERVISOR PLUMMER RECUSING HIMSELF. SO THAT VOTE ON C TWO WOULD BE FOUR ZERO WITH SUPERVISOR PLUMMER RECUSED. ALL RIGHT. DID I GET THAT RIGHT, MISS BLANKENSHIP? YES, CHAIR. READ INTO THE RECORD. OKAY, PERFECT. OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO CR6. [R5 Approve a Declaration of Election certifying the results of the November 4, 2025, Statewide Special Election and receive a presentation to provide a summary of the changes implemented to the election process carried out for the November 4, 2025, Statewide Special Election.] [R6 Elect the 2026 Board of Supervisors' Chair and Vice-Chair.] YES, I WAS GETTING THERE. R SIX ALL RIGHT. I WAS SEEING IF SOMEBODY WAS HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS TO ELECT THE 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. ALL LOOKING IN QUEUE. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT AS, AS MUCH AS I'VE ENJOYED BEING CHAIR, I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND AND ASK SUPERVISOR KELSTROM TO BE CHAIR FOR 2026. LOOKING FOR A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. BY SUPERVISOR HARMON. IS THERE ANY. AND SO THIS IS I'M GOING TO BREAK THIS INTO TWO BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ELECT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR SEPARATELY. DO WE HAVE HOW MANY COMMENTS DO WE HAVE ON THIS? MISS BLANKENSHIP 14, CHAIR 14. OKAY. IS THERE A SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. YES, I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST YEAR, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE READY TO BE CHAIR LAST YEAR BUT DID NOT WANT TO. AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, FIRST, IF YOU'D LIKE TO AND IF SO, WHAT HAS CHANGED IN YOUR OPINION THERE? WHAT HAS CHANGED IS ANOTHER YEAR ON THE BOARD. SO BASICALLY, I MEAN, SO LAST YEAR I, I COULD HAVE DONE IT, BUT I WASN'T REALLY TOO EXCITED ABOUT JUMPING IN THERE. SO I HAVE KIND OF RECONSIDERED. AND I MEAN, IT'S I IT'S TIME TO GO AHEAD AND STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND DO IT. SO I AM WILLING TO DO IT THIS YEAR. BUT LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. I GUESS THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, AND I, I SUPPORT IN GENERAL THAT ALL OF US SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE CHAIR. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK LAST YEAR I APPRECIATED THE, THE POINTS MADE ABOUT EXPERIENCE. SO I DISAGREED WITH THEM. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE OF US WHO WILL HAVE AFTER THIS YEAR, TWO YEARS LEFT. SO THAT MEANS ONE OF US, BARRING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH A REELECTION, WOULD NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CHAIR. AND WITH YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO SUPERVISOR KELSTROM, YOUR OPPORTUNITY WAS LAST YEAR. AND SO TO THEN PUSH IT TO THIS YEAR BASICALLY BLOCKS ONE OF THE THREE OF US FROM HAVING [02:35:02] THAT OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE. I'LL GO AHEAD. I'LL GO AHEAD AND WEIGH IN. THIS IS SOMETHING I MEAN, I THINK HONESTLY, THE CHAIR OR I THINK THE MAYOR IN THE CITY OF REDDING SHOULD BE ELECTED. I THINK THE MAYOR SHOULD BE ELECTED IN THE CITY OF REDDING, LIKE MANY OTHER CITIES DO. AND I THINK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD. I MEAN, TWO OF YOU GUYS SUPPORTED THE SALES TAX, WHICH GOT PUMMELED, PUMMELED. SO WHEN I THINK STOP TALKING IN THE CROWD. AND THE REALITY IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LEADING THE COUNTY, THIS COUNTY, AND SINCE I'VE BEEN CHAIR, WE'VE PUT MONEY INTO THE RESERVES. WE'VE BEEN EXTREMELY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. AND I WANT TO SEE THAT CONTINUE. AND I KNOW UNDER SUPERVISOR KELSTROM LEADERSHIP THAT WILL CONTINUE. AND SO, SO THAT'S YOUR FIRST WARNING. AND THE REALITY IS FOR ME, I DON'T I LIKE THE DIALOG. BUT AGAIN, THIS HAPPENED LAST YEAR WHEN WE DO THE. CHAIR IF, IF WE WANT TO GRANDSTAND AND MOVE TOWARDS IT, WE CAN TAKE THE GLOVES OFF. I WOULD NEVER VOTE SUPERVISOR PLUMMER FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO RAISE TAXES, AND I THINK THE PEOPLE IN SHASTA COUNTY ARE VERY CLEAR ON THAT. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S THAT'S HOW I FEEL PERSONALLY. AND AND I WOULD DEFER TO SUPERVISOR KELSTROM ON WHO HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS HIS VICE CHAIR. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TAKE HIM. I WANTED TO TAKE HIM SEPARATELY. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER YOU'RE BACKING YOU AND THEN SUPERVISOR LONG AFTER. WELL, I THINK FIRST, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF THE CHAIR BEING ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHO WON THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF VOTES FROM THE PEOPLE, WHICH WAS ME. AND SO THE PEOPLE DID STATE JUST A YEAR AGO OR A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THAT THAT WAS THEIR DESIRE BY THE LARGEST MARGIN MARGIN OF ANY OF US ON HERE. AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE SALES TAX, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING TO PRESENT A SOLUTION FOR HOW WE SOLVE SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED FOR THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY PROPOSALS FROM ANYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD OF HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS. BUT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WAS SPOKEN. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE PRECEDENT SHOULD BE THAT IT'S BASED ON WHEN YOU WERE ELECTED, AND THEN THE MARGIN OF VOTE THAT YOU WON BY MAKING A MOTION. YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND YOURSELF. IS THERE A MOTION IN THERE? YES. I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT I WOULD BE CHAIR. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND BY SUPERVISOR LONG. SUPERVISOR LONG. THANK YOU. CHAIR. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS ONE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE. THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION FOR YOU, WAS THAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THIS? THAT SOUNDS LIKE A YES. OKAY. AND MY NEXT COMMENT. MY THOUGHTS WERE AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPERVISOR KELSTROM OR SUPERVISOR CRYE. BUT YOU ARE BOTH RUNNING FOR REELECTION, AND THAT IS A VERY TIME INTENSIVE COMMITMENT. AND BEING THE CHAIR IS A VERY TIME INTENSIVE COMMITMENT. AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT IS A RECIPE FOR JUST BEING OVERBURDENED WITH RESPONSIBILITY. GIVEN. AND I WANT A CHAIR THAT IS GOING TO BE MOVING OUR COUNTY FORWARD AND FOCUSED ENTIRELY ON THAT, NOT A REELECTION CAMPAIGN. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON I WAS WILLING TO SECOND THAT FOR. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. WELL. AND, AND I, AND I, AND I, AND I RESPECT THAT. THANK YOU. SUPERVISOR LONG, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE OR IS THERE ANY IS THERE NO, NO. IS THERE ANY ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. JUST FOR A MATTER OF ORDER. I JUST WANT TO DEFER TO COUNCIL ON THIS. CAN WE BREAK THIS UP BEFORE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ELECTION? DO WE NEED TO TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR VICE CHAIR? I SEE HIM SHAKING HIS HEAD, SO WE'RE PROBABLY FINE. I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THAT. FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN TAKE THE VOTES SEPARATELY BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE THE MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR. OKAY. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. YES. SO I MEAN WELL WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON THE THE LAST MOTION FIRST. SO NO, NO. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO VICE CHAIR NOW AND THEN TAKE THEM IN THAT ORDER. SO FOR FOR THE INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT GOES TOWARDS WHAT THE BOARD'S ACTION IS THAT THAT ACTION NEEDS TO BE SET OUT IN, IN AT LEAST A MOTION. SO WHEN YOU COME TO THE VOTE ON CHAIRMAN. YOU'LL TAKE THE SECOND MOTION FIRST AND THEN THE FIRST MOTION. [02:40:03] AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE VICE CHAIR, YOU'LL TAKE THAT SEPARATE FROM THE OTHER. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. SO YOU CAN BREAK IT INTO TWO VOTES. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE THOSE MOTIONS ON THE TABLE BEFORE THE PUBLIC. OKAY. SO IF I WERE TO BE VOTED CHAIR I WOULD WANT, I WOULD WANT CORKY HARMON TO BE VICE CHAIR. CORKY HARMON AND I WORK TOGETHER. WELL, WE'RE PLANNING ON SACRAMENTO NEXT WEEK. WE'RE YOU KNOW, BEEN TO A COUPLE TIMES. I MEAN, I WORK VERY WELL WITH SUPERVISOR HARMON. I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW CORKY QUITE A BIT BETTER SINCE HE'S BECOME A SUPERVISOR. AND I THINK EVERYBODY THAT'S YELLING OUT RIGHT NOW WOULD EVEN YELL OUT EVEN LOUDER IF I WERE TO SUGGEST THAT SUPERVISOR CRYE BE THE CHAIR. SO MY MY MOTION IS TO MAKE SUPERVISOR. HARMON. VICE CHAIR I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY, SO SEEING NOBODY ELSE IN QUEUE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK I, I THINK I HAVE TO DO A VICE CHAIR FOR THE SECOND MOTION, RIGHT? CORRECT. WELL, I'LL MAKE THIS SIMPLE. I WILL ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. VICE CHAIR. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT, THIS WOULD FOLLOW THAT SAME ROTATION PROCEDURE THAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR, WHICH IS ELECTION YEAR AND THEN ELECTION MARGIN. AND SO MY MOTION IS THAT. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. BARRING, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER VOTES WOULD BE VICE CHAIR AS WELL. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE MADE BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR THAT. SO WE'RE GOOD. YOU DIDN'T NEED TO AMEND YOUR. THANK YOU. YOUR SUBSTITUTE MOTION. YOU'RE OKAY. TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE OKAY. THAT'S SEPARATE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD. MISS BLANKENSHIP. WE DO HAVE 14 SPEAKERS. FIRST UP, T.C., FOLLOWED BY DON DUCKETT, MARGARET HANSEN, THEN BEV, TWO MINUTES EACH SPEAKER. I WASN'T COUNTING ON BEING FIRST. WELCOME. IS IT ON? IS IT ON? YEP. TODAY, THE BOARD IS SCHEDULED TO ELECT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR 2026. THE ROLE OF CHAIR IS WIDE RANGING AND COMPLEX, AND NOT TO BE TAKEN WITHOUT A SERIOUS DEDICATION TO THE CITIZENS OF SHASTA COUNTY. THE POSITION IS. EXCUSE ME. THE POSITION IS NOT TO BE USED TO ADVANTAGE FAVORED FRIENDS OR ONESELF, NOR TO DISADVANTAGE ONE'S PERCEIVED ENEMIES. THE CHAIR MUST LEAVE SUCH POLITICS AND SELF SERVING OUTSIDE THE DOOR. ANOTHER CRUCIAL ASPECT IS THE ABILITY TO LISTEN WITH AN OPEN MIND AND TO TREAT EVERYONE WITH RESPECT WITHOUT INFRINGING ON THEIR OFTEN LIMITED TIMES AT THE PODIUM. WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE, WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND BE HEARD. THE QUALITIES NOTED ABOVE HAVE BEEN HAVE SELDOM BEEN DEMONSTRATED BY MR. CRYE DURING THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF HIS REIGN. WE ARE AT A CROSSROADS WHERE A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP WOULD GREATLY ENHANCE, ENHANCE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE BOARD TO BENEFIT ALL OF SHASTA COUNTY. GIVEN HIS MEDIATION SKILLS, HIS WILLINGNESS TO DELVE THOROUGHLY INTO ISSUES OF THE BOARD AND COMMUNITY, AND HIS COMMITMENT TO SHARING INFORMATION WITH ALL. I. LIKE SO MANY OTHERS, BELIEVE THAT SUPERVISOR MATT PLUMMER WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT CHAIR FOR THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AS WOULD ALAN LONG TO BE THE VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELCOME BACK. GOOD MORNING. BOARD JUST ECHOING THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS THOUGHTS, I SUPPORT MATT PLUMMER AS CHAIR AND ALAN LONG AS VICE CHAIR. YOU KNOW, IT'S A FOREGONE CONCLUSION. KELSTROM IS GOING TO BE CHAIR. WE ALL KNOW IT. I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT SUPERVISOR KELSTROM, YOU DENIED ME TO BE ON A BOARD BASED ON MY UNWILLINGNESS TO SERVE. AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL RESPECT THE PUBLIC MORE THAN YOU HAVE IN THE PAST AND NOT DENIGRATE THE CITIZENS THAT COME UP HERE AND VOLUNTEER AND SPEAK EVERY WEEK AND MODEL GOOD BEHAVIOR SO THAT THE REST OF THESE FOLKS CAN ALSO BEHAVE APPROPRIATELY IN THESE MEETINGS. I WOULD SAY THE ONLY UPSIDE TO YOU AND CORKY BEING CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR IS THAT YOU'LL BOTH STAY AWAKE DURING THE MEETING. [02:45:01] THANK YOU. MARGARET HANSEN, FOLLOWED BY BEV. DOLORES LUCERO, THEN LESLIE, IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. 100%. MY SUPERVISOR, CHRIS KELSTROM. AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF CORKY HARMON BEING THE VICE CHAIR. AND HE'S DONE. BOTH OF YOU HAVE DONE AMAZING WORK, AND YOU DO WORK WELL TOGETHER, AND YOU'RE PRESSING FORWARD WITH THE THINGS YOU LISTEN TO PEOPLE AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY QUALIFIED 100% FOR DOING THE WORK OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BEV, FOLLOWED BY DOLORES LUCERO. LESLIE, THEN STEVE CONN. IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. THE 4TH OF JULY. I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT CHRIS AS BEING THE CHAIRPERSON AND CORKY AS BEING THE VICE CHAIR. I AM JUST SHOCKED THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT A CHAIR IS AN ENTITLEMENT. IT'S NOT AN ENTITLEMENT. IT HAS TO BE EARNED. AND SO FAR YOU HAVE NOT. AND YOU SEE THE PERCENTAGE. DO YOU REALLY THINK IT WAS A LEGITIMATE ELECTION? WE KNOW WHO LONGS WASN'T. HE WASN'T EVEN. THEY DID A OFF A DRAW ON SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY. SO YES, I SUPPORT CHRIS AND CORKY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE YOUR PEOPLE, KEVIN. WELCOME BACK. I THINK IT'S A FIX HERE. YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY THIS GAME. IT'S GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH UNTIL YOU GET YOUR POSITION. SO I THINK CORKY WILL BE THE DUMBEST MISTAKE TO MAKE HIM VICE CHAIR. OKAY. VICE PRESIDENT, CHAIR OR WHATEVER FOR HIM TO BE SECOND TO CASE. CHRIS CAN'T BE HERE. I THINK THAT WILL SUCK BECAUSE HE COULD BARELY BE. HE COULD BARELY SAY WHAT HE NEEDS TO SAY IN THE MEETINGS. I, I I'M SO SPEECHLESS. HOW CAN YOU PICK CORKY? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WHAT A JOKE. OUR COUNTY IS A JOKE. AND CHRIS AND YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BACKBONE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT. YOU COULDN'T EVEN DO IT THE FIRST TIME WHEN YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE IT. WHEN THEY PICKED YOU, YOU ACTUALLY SAID, KEVIN. YOU KNOW, I HEARD IT ON THE RADIO. KEVIN HAS DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB. YOU KNOW, HE WAS HE WAS GETTING RECALLED AND HE WASN'T. PEOPLE WERE INTERFERING. HE COULDN'T DO A GOOD JOB BECAUSE THERE WERE RECALLED PEOPLE BULLSHIT. HE COULD DO. HE COULD HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB IF HE WANTED TO. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S AN EXCUSE YOU USE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE VICE CHAIR. THAT'S ALL. WHY DON'T YOU STAND UP AND HAVE THE BACKBONE AND DO THE RIGHT THING? YOU DIDN'T WANT TO STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE. YOU ONLY DO WHAT'S BEST. YOU ONLY DO WHAT KEVIN WANTS YOU TO DO. AND CORKY IS ANOTHER LITTLE PUPPY. IT'S LIKE HE'S JUST WAITING FOR HIS CRUMBS TO FALL FROM KEVIN. WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO, KEVIN? KEVIN AND YOU. YOU DO THE SAME THING YOU GUYS ARE. BUNCH OF LOSERS. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OFFICE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN A FREAKING COUNTY. YOU GUYS LOOK LIKE JOKES. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? YOUR TIME IS COMING UP EITHER WAY. SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BECAUSE 161 PAGES DIDN'T JUST GO TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE WHEN I MADE ALL THE COMPLAINTS, INCLUDING YOU, CHRIS, REGARDING THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT. THANK YOU. LESLIE. FOLLOWED BY STEVE KHAN. JEFF GORDER, THEN CHRISTIAN. WOW. OKAY, SO YES, I AGREE. CRAZINESS ALL AROUND. LUCKILY PEOPLE PUT IT ON FULL DISPLAY SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHY OUR COUNTY IS HAVING ISSUES. SO CHRIS IS THE MOST ACCESSIBLE OF ALL OF THE SUPERVISORS HE IS AT EVERY COMMUNITY EVENT. HE IS OUT THERE. HE'S DOING THE WORK DAY IN, DAY OUT. AND I THINK THAT THAT MAKES HIM A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR SOMEBODY TO BE CHAIR BECAUSE HE IS EXTREMELY ACCESSIBLE, VERY TRANSPARENT, AND PEOPLE KNOW WHEN AND WHERE THEY CAN FIND HIM. HE ALSO STEPPED ASIDE BECAUSE KEVIN WAS UNDERGOING A RECALL AND IT WAS AN OUT OF THE ORDINARY SITUATION. AND HE DIDN'T THINK THAT KEVIN GOT A FAIR SHAKE AND A CHANCE TO DO THE ACTUAL JOB OF CHAIR. SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS COMMENDABLE. MATT, I LIVE IN YOUR DISTRICT AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO WHAT DOCTOR FRANK SAYS ABOUT TRUMP'S ELECTION ALL THE TIME. TRUMP DIDN'T ACTUALLY WIN THE ELECTION. KAMALA LOST IT. I THINK THERE WAS SO MUCH ANIMOSITY TOWARD PATRICK AND THE FACT THAT PATRICK WAS WORKING ON SO MANY OTHER CAMPAIGNS AND NOT MAKING HIS A PRIORITY, [02:50:05] THAT HE LOST HIS CAMPAIGN. AND YOU THEN WERE THE CHAMPION. KEVIN, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB EXPOSING ISSUES AND UNCOVERING WASTE. I THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. YOU HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB IN YOUR I WANT TO SAY TWO YEARS, BUT IT WAS MORE LIKE YEAR AND A HALF WITH ALL OF THE RECALL MADNESS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO BE CHAIR. CHRIS, HE RAN ON FIVE ITEMS AND HE HAS COMPLETED ALL FIVE OF THOSE ITEMS. HE HAS BEEN A MAN OF HIS WORD. HE HAS BEEN A MAN OF INTEGRITY. HE HAS SHOWN THE MOST ABILITY TO SAY WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO AND DO IT. IS ANYBODY UP ON THIS BOARD? STEVE KHAN, FOLLOWED BY JEFF GORDON, CHRISTIAN, THEN BEN. HELLO AGAIN. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH CHRIS KELSTROM IS THAT HE BASICALLY HAS SUPPORTED AND VOTED RIGHT IN ALIGNMENT WITH KEVIN CRYE, EVEN ON MANY OF THE DECISIONS THAT I THINK WERE VERY POOR, INCLUDING APPOINTING AN ROV THAT WAS INEXPERIENCED. THE GIFT BYPASSING THE COURT SYSTEM OF $2.8 MILLION TO KROPP HAULER AND HIRING CHRIS STREET FOR A JOB THAT THE COUNTY EASILY COULD HAVE DONE USING COUNTY INFORMATION FOR 40,000. BUT THAT'S JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. I HAVE A LITTLE ENCOURAGEMENT BECAUSE OF YOUR WORK ON TRUE NORTH. BUT I THINK WE LOOK AT SUPERVISOR, PLUMMER AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK HE'S DONE AND THE DIFFERENT WORK INTO SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK WE'RE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE A MAN OF HIS LEVEL, OF HIS SKILL LEVEL AND OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENT WORKING ON ALL THESE THINGS. I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO BETTER. NOT ONLY AS A CHAIR, BUT I'M JUST AMAZED THAT WE EVEN HAVE HIM AS A SUPERVISOR. SO, YOU KNOW, I TOTALLY SUPPORT SUPERVISOR, PLUMMER AND WHOEVER HE WANTS TO BE THE NEXT IN LINE. AND I'M HOPING THAT SUPERVISOR HARMON THAT YOU THINK ABOUT. REALLY? WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD ACCOMPLISH MOST FOR THE COUNTY? PLUMMER OR KELSTROM DO WE DO? DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I BELIEVE CRYE WOULD WORK WITH KELSTROM IN CREATING FOR THIS COUNTY, OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE IN DIRECTIONS THAT SUPERVISOR PLUMMER HAS BEEN WORKING ON? I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION. JEFF GORDON FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIAN, BEN, THEN JENNY. SO I THINK MATT MADE SOME GREAT POINTS WITH REGARD TO SUPERVISOR KELSTROM. I MEAN, HIS REFUSING TO TAKE THE CHAIR, WHICH HE COULD HAVE HAD LAST TIME, MEANS THAT THE OTHER THREE MEMBERS, NOT ALL OF YOU, WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE CHAIR. THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. I MEAN, THE WAY THIS THING USED TO WORK, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IS IT WOULD JUST ROTATE NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT SOMEBODY VOTED FOR OR WHAT THEIR POSITION WAS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. THESE ARE NOT ELECTED POSITIONS. THESE ARE POSITIONS THAT ROTATE. AND YOU KNOW, I THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE WON'T HAVE CHAIR CRYE AROUND. THAT'S THE POSITIVE. THE NEGATIVE IS, AS WE SAY, AS. AS KELSTROM SAID. CRYE HAD THE TIME COMMITMENT AT HIS RECALL, AND NOW BOTH OF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR REELECTION, AND YET YOU HAVE THE TIME. CHRIS, NOW TO APPARENTLY TAKE ON THE CHAIR WHEN CRYE WHEN HE WAS OCCUPIED WITH THE RECALL, APPARENTLY THAT WAS TOO MUCH FAILED RECALL, FAILED RECALL? ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT FAILED. I SAY WE GOT RID OF JONES. BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE JUST UP HERE KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND THEN YOU COME UP WITH A REASON THAT'S TOTALLY INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU VOTED ON BEFORE. AND SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE PUBLIC GETS A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THE SHENANIGANS THAT GO ON UP HERE. YOU KNOW, WHOEVER GETS IT, MATT, ALAN, CORKY. I MEAN, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE EITHER THE CHAIR OR THE VICE CHAIR, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THIS ROTATES SO EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE. YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S THE WAY THIS IS RUN. THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE RUN. WE DON'T NEED YOU KNOW CRYE AND KELSTROM BEHIND THE SCENES TRYING TO DECIDE WHO'S GOING TO GET WHAT IF AND THAT WELL I'LL I'LL HOLD OFF CHRISTIAN FOLLOWED BY BEN, JENNY THEN NICK GARDNER. IS IT RIGGED? YEAH. THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE IT IS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT. DON'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE. WHAT I WILL STATE IS VERY EVIDENT IS THAT UNDER CHAIR CRYE, [02:55:07] YOU PROMISED TO MAKE THIS THE MOST MAGA FRIENDLY COUNTY IN CALIFORNIA. AND THAT'S YOUR OBJECTIVE. AND WITH YOUR TWO COMPADRES WHO I. I BELIEVE I CAN ONLY COUNT ONCE WHERE THEY VOTED DIFFERENTLY FROM YOU. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT KELSTROM, BUT I THINK CORKY DID ONE ONE TIME MULTIPLE TIMES. WELL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE FACTS. NEVERTHELESS, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THE POLITICAL IZATION OF WHAT SHOULD BE A NONPARTISAN BODY. THAT'S THAT'S THE FACT. AND KEVIN HAS BROUGHT FORTH SECESSIONISTS WHO WANT TO HAS WASTED PROBABLY $100,000 IN BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETINGS WITH YOUR CHEMTRAIL NONSENSE WHO QUIRKY AND AND KELSTROM BOTH ENDORSE WITH YOUR ELECTION LIE NONSENSE WITH YOUR TRIPS TO GO PRAY WITH MR. PILLOW. AND I'D LIKE A REPORT ON THAT HAND DELIVERED LETTER TO TRUMP THAT YOU CHARGE THE COUNTY FOR. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NONPARTISAN BODY, AND YET CLEARLY IT HAS BEEN PARTIZAN FOR THE LAST 3 OR 4 YEARS. AND YEAH, JONES GOT HIS ASS KICKED BY MATT PLUMMER BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING TIRED OF THE PARTIZAN POLITICS, THE PARTIZAN GAMESMANSHIP THAT THIS BOARD HAS BEEN UNDER THE SPELL OF. YOU KNOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE AS A PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE A SAFE AND SANE REPUBLICAN FOR A CHANCE IN THE CHAIR'S POSITION. MATT PLUMMER IS MORE THAN QUALIFIED. THANK YOU. THEN COME ON UP. FOLLOWED BY JENNY, NICK GARDNER, MAX WALTER, THEN DAVID HALLIGAN. SO I, I ACTUALLY DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN LONG STANDING TRADITIONS LIKE ROTATING THIS ROLE, BUT CHAIR CRYE, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DO LIKE TO CHALLENGE TRADITION AND SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE HEALTHY, BUT IN THIS CASE IT AFFECTS COUNTY WIDE REPRESENTATION. EVERY DISTRICT EXPECTS THAT OVER A FOUR YEAR TERM, THEIR SUPERVISOR WILL HAVE A FAIR CHANCE AT SERVING AS CHAIR WHEN THAT ROTATION IS INTERRUPTED, OR WHEN THE GAVEL STAYS IN THE SAME HANDS FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, MANY CITIZENS LOSE THEIR VOICE. LAST YEAR, I SUPPORTED SUPERVISOR KELSTROM BECOMING CHAIR. HE WAS NEXT IN LINE AND IT MADE SENSE. BUT HE OPENLY HESITATED, AND I RESPECTED THAT TOO, BECAUSE THE CHAIR ROLE SHOULD GO TO SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY WANTS THE RESPONSIBILITY. AT THE SAME TIME, SUPERVISOR PLUMMER MADE IT CLEAR THEN HE WAS READY AND WILLING TO LEAD. NOW TODAY, CHAIR CRYE SUGGESTED SUPERVISOR KELSTROM. AND EVEN THOUGH WE ALL REMEMBER THE HESITATION LAST YEAR, SUPERVISOR CONTINUES TO SHOW UP TO DO THE JOB. I'M JUST ASKING THE BOARD TO FOLLOW TRADITION AND RESPECT THE VOTERS ACROSS ALL FIVE DISTRICTS, AND CHOOSE SOMEONE WHO'S WILLING TO TAKE THE ROLE. AT THE VERY LEAST, I'M PLEASED THAT KELSTROM WILL AT LEAST BE PUTTING IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK. I JUST HOPE CRYE DOESN'T PULL THE STRINGS LIKE WE ALL SUSPECT HE DOES. IS JENNY HERE? NOT SEEING JENNY NICK GARDNER, FOLLOWED BY MAX WALTER, THEN DAVID HALLIGAN. WELCOME. THANK YOU. I'M IN FAVOR OF CHRIS KELSTROM. I'M OPPOSED TO MATT PLUMMER. AND THE REASON BEING, WHEN MATT MATT GOT HERE AND WHEN HE RAN, HE'S A DATA GUY. AND WE HAD AN EXCHANGE AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOMELESSNESS AND TAKING CARE OF THE HOMELESS. AND I BROUGHT UP THE POINT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OUT OF TOWN HOMELESS PEOPLE COMING IN, AND I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF TAKING CARE OF THEM. AND HE POINTED OUT THAT DATA SHOWS, ACCORDING TO THE LAST TIME AND COUNT, THAT OVER 90% OF THE HOMELESS IN SHASTA COUNTY WERE LOCAL. SO I SENT HIM LINKS TO ANNA, WHO CAME RIGHT HERE, A BLACK GAL, AND POINTED OUT THE BUS THAT HAD DELIVERED HOMELESS, 35 HOMELESS OR SO FROM SAN FRANCISCO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT DOWN BEHIND DUTCH BROTHERS IN TOWN, AND I TOLD HIM WHERE TO FIND THAT. I GAVE HIM THE LINK TO JASON MILLER, WHO HAD A SANDWICH SHOP SOUTH OF TOWN, WHERE THEY DROPPED OFF A BUSLOAD OF PAROLEES FROM OUT OF TOWN. HE WENT OVER AND TALKED TO HIM. I GAVE HIM A COUPLE OTHER PHONE NUMBERS FOR PEOPLE TO TALK TO. ONE WAS CHARLIE UP ON NORTH PORCELLI LANE, AND PLUMMER DIDN'T BOTHER TO GET AHOLD OF HIM. SO THAT TELLS ME YOU'RE JUST PICKING AND CHOOSING THE DATA YOU WANT. AS FAR AS LONG GOES, HE TRUSTED OUR ELECTIONS. I WALKED A GUY UP HERE THAT WAS AN OBSERVER TO THE ELECTIONS AND ASKED HIM TO TALK TO JIM [03:00:02] FOR TEN MINUTES SO HE COULD EXPLAIN WHAT WENT ON AT THE ELECTIONS. THOMAS THERE. I GAVE HIM THOMAS'S PHONE NUMBER. HE TALKED TO THOMAS AND WAS GOING TO GET AHOLD OF THOMAS AND TALK TO HIS EXPERIENCE ABOUT OBSERVING THE ELECTIONS UNDER FRANCESCO. HE DIDN'T GET AHOLD OF HIM. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN SHASTA COUNTY. THANK YOU. MAX WALTER, FOLLOWED BY DAVID HALLIGAN. WELCOME BACK. BEFORE. BEFORE. YEP. GO AHEAD. BEFORE LAST YEAR, THE LAST TIME A SUPERVISOR WAS ELECTED TO CONSECUTIVE YEARS WAS 1958 IN SHASTA COUNTY. THE YEAR I WAS BORN, THAT SYSTEM WORKED, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE OF MUTUAL RESPECT. THIS CHAIR ROTATION IS MEANT TO PROVIDE CONSTITUENTS IN EACH OF THE FIVE DISTRICTS THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A GUARANTEED OPPORTUNITY FOR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVE TO SET THE BOARD'S AGENDA, ENSURING EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF INFLUENCE ON THE BOARD. YOUR EARLIER VOTE THIS MORNING HELPED TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF SOME OF THAT. STILL, THIS BOARD TODAY SHOULD ENDORSE AND SEEK TO CONTINUE TO EMPLOY A METHOD OF ROTATION OF BOARD LEADERSHIP TO FACILITATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL SUPERVISORS, SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO SERVE AS CHAIR FOR A CALENDAR YEAR TO FULLY REPRESENT THE CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY REPRESENT. LAST YEAR, SUPERVISOR KELSTROM WAS NEXT IN LINE AND HE DECLINED. HE STATED THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO GO ANYWHERE SOUTH OF COTTONWOOD. HE DIDN'T WANT IT AND THAT'S FINE. HE SHOULD DROP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ROTATION. AND NEXT UP FOR THIS COMING YEAR SHOULD BE MR. PLUMMER, MR. LONG OR MR. HARMON WITH ONE OF THE THREE SERVING AS VICE CHAIR. I ENCOURAGE ALL SUPERVISORS TO STAND UP FOR YOUR DISTRICTS. IT'S A NEW YEAR, A NEW BEGINNING. IT'S A NEW TIME TO APPOINT A NEW CHAIR. OUT OF FAIRNESS TO ALL THE CONSTITUENTS IN EVERY DISTRICT FOR 2026, OUR CURRENT CHAIR CAMPAIGNED ON BEING A UNITER AND FROM THE VERY BEGINNING FAILED TERRIBLY ON THAT PROMISE. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO SUPERVISOR KELSTROM, I BELIEVE HE WILL NOT BE A UNITER OF US AS WELL. I FULLY SUPPORT MATT PLUMMER AND BELIEVE THAT HE, TIME AND TIME AGAIN DEMONSTRATES THAT HE HAS THE ABILITY AND THE THE CAPACITY AND THE COMMITMENT TO UNIFY THE COUNTY. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, DAVID HALLIGAN AND CHAIR. THIS WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S CHECK THE BOXES. THANK YOU. LET'S ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FROM LAST YEAR'S CHAIR DISCUSSION, JANUARY 7TH. SUPPORTERS OF MR. CRYE, INCLUDING MR. KELSTROM, CLAIMED KEVIN DIDN'T GET A FULL YEAR TO LEAD AS HE WAS FIGHTING BACK A RECALL HIS FIRST THREE MONTHS. LET'S GIVE HIM ANOTHER YEAR. CHECK THAT BOX. THREE SUPERVISORS CRYE, KELSTROM AND HARMON CLAIMED EXPERIENCE IS CRITICAL WITH THIS NEXT CALENDAR YEAR. WHAT'S DIFFERENT TODAY? WELL, THE THREE NEW SUPERVISORS HAVE A YEAR UNDER THEIR BELT, INCLUDING PLUMMER AND LONG AN EXTRA TEN MONTHS PRIOR TO TAKING OFFICE FOR OBSERVATIONS AND LEARNINGS. HEY, REMEMBER MR. CRYE? HE TOOK THE CHAIR POSITION JUST AFTER ONE YEAR AS A SUPERVISOR. CHECK THAT BOX EXPERIENCE. NOW IN 2026, A REELECTION YEAR FOR CHAIR CRYE AND MR. KELSTROM, THEIR CAMPAIGN COULD TAKE FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS OR TEN AND A HALF MONTHS OF TIME AND EFFORT. WE NEED THE NEXT CHAIR TO FOCUS ON THEIR CORE RESPONSIBILITIES OF GOVERNING THIS COUNTY, SETTING POLICY AND ENSURING FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. I REALLY DON'T WANT A CHAIR ATTENDING TO HIS CAMPAIGN. RAISING MONEY. HAVING RALLIES, GOING TO MEETINGS, DOING MEDIA, SHAKING HANDS AND KISSING BABIES. AND COULD THIS AGENDA ITEM OR LACK THEREOF, BE A CONFLICT OR SUSPECT WITH A REELECTION YEAR? ALL THIS REELECTION STUFF SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S A FULL TIME JOB IN AND OF ITSELF. WAY TOO MANY BOXES TO CHECK HERE AND REMEMBER. MR.. MR. KELSTROM YES, MR. KELSTROM DECLINED THE POSITION LAST YEAR MULTIPLE TIMES. DIDN'T WANT IT? CHECK THAT BOX. SO FINALLY, THAT IS WHY TODAY WE HAVE BEEN ASKED ALL THESE QUESTIONS AND CHECKING THE BOXES. WE LOOKED AT THE PAST, BUT NOW WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE. THE TIME IS NOW FOR NEW LEADERSHIP IN 26, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING MATT PLUMMER, WHO HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN 2025. WHO ELSE HAS DONE THE WORK? THE POSITIVE INFLUENCE, THE PERFORMANCE AND THE RESULTS? YOU ALL KNOW IT UP THERE. IT'S MATT PLUMMER. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENTS OVER. WE HAVE SOME MOTIONS. IS THERE ANYBODY IN QUEUE THAT WANTS TO SAY A WORD BEFORE I SAY A LAST THING? SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. YES. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE KIND OF A FINAL PITCH TO MY OTHER SUPERVISORS AND ULTIMATELY RESPECT THE VOTES OF THE MAJORITY OF, OF THIS BODY. BUT SO A FEW POINTS THAT I THINK WOULD MAKE THIS NEXT YEAR A GREAT ONE [03:05:05] FOR ME TO BE IN A POSITION OF CHAIR. FIRST IS I'VE WORKED, TO BRING US TOGETHER ON ISSUES WHERE THERE HAS BEEN DIVISION, WHETHER THAT WAS THE ELECTION COMMISSION RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING AND FINDING A COMPROMISE THERE THAT WE COULD ALL AGREE TO. WHETHER THAT WAS HORSE FARM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS BOTH IN THE PUBLIC AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, AMONG THE BOARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT DECISIONS AND COMING TO A UNITED FRONT THERE. EVEN DURING THE BUDGET HEARINGS WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S BUDGET REQUEST AND FINDING A WAY TO GET US TO A PLACE WHERE WE COULD ALL AGREE ON IT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD CONTINUE TO DO AS CHAIR, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT AS WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BOARD THAT CAN GET TO A UNIFIED FRONT WHERE WE HEAR AND RESPOND TO ALL THE REQUESTS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY. SECOND IS, I'VE TRIED HARD OVER THIS PAST YEAR TO WORK WITH EACH OF THE SUPERVISORS HERE AND TO INVEST IN THE INITIATIVES, WHETHER THAT BE, YOU KNOW, SUPERVISOR KELSTROM WORKING WITH YOU ON THE DEVELOPER ROUNDTABLES OR THE OFFENDER RELEASE PROGRAM WITH SUPERVISOR LONG OR A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES, WHETHER IT'S THE MEDICAL SCHOOL OR OTHER WITH SUPERVISOR CRYE AND SUPERVISOR HARMON. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED AND DONE A LITTLE BIT ON THE ON THE WOLF FRONT, NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS SUPERVISOR KELSTROM HAS. AND THEN THE THIRD THING, AND MY LAST THING IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE KEY INITIATIVES OF THE COUNTY, THOSE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN DEEPLY INVOLVED WITH, WHETHER THAT BE THE CORRECTION CAMPUS AND TRYING TO BRING THE MALE REENTRY PROGRAM HERE, TRYING TO SECURE STATE FUNDING FOR IT, WHETHER THAT BE THE MEDICAL SCHOOL, AND BEING DEEPLY INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF THE RESEARCH AND TRAVELING DOWN TO THE CENTRAL VALLEY TO UNDERSTAND MODELS THERE. WHETHER THAT BE HOMELESSNESS AND BRINGING FORTH THE VETERAN HOMELESSNESS INITIATIVE THAT ULTIMATELY THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, CAME TO A DIRECTION ON, OR THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH I SIT ON THE AD HOC FOR. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE KEY INITIATIVES, I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF MOST OR ALL OF THEM AND WOULD THINK THAT THAT WILL BE HELPFUL AS WE CONTINUE TO KEEP THOSE AS PRIORITIES FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. THANK YOU. SO I'LL. I'LL JUST I'LL JUST GIVE SOME CLOSING STATEMENTS. I THINK I THINK IT WAS INTERESTING. I WANT TO JUST HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE LIKE SOUND BITES WHEN A PERSON COMES UP HERE AND WHEN I, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE MENTIONED FAILED RECALL, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY RIGHT AWAY SAY, WELL, IT KIND OF SERVED ITS PURPOSE. IT GOT RID OF JONES. I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING WHEN THEY SAY THE QUIET PART OUT LOUD BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS A. AND ANOTHER SPEAKER SAID, WE THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A FAIR CHANCE. WELL, WE DO HAVE A FAIR CHANCE. THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE THAT VOTE. THERE'S NOTHING MORE FAIR THAN THAT. I MEAN, IT'S A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. WE TAKE A VOTE AND WE GO FROM THERE AND WE TALK ABOUT REPRESENTING YOUR DISTRICT. AND I'LL TELL YOU WE DO AS SUPERVISORS. I THINK AS PEOPLE, WE LIVE IN ECHO CHAMBERS. WE LIVE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF OUR HOMES, OUR COMPANIES OR WHATEVER. AND WE HEAR THAT. AND SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO STEP OUT. AND I'LL TELL YOU, I THOUGHT I THOUGHT MEASURE A WAS GOING TO BE MAYBE NIP AND TUCK BECAUSE I'M IN AN ECHO CHAMBER OF, YOU KNOW, LISTENING. AND ONCE YOU REALLY LOOK AT HOW READILY, READILY ACROSS PRECINCTS, IT WAS JUST STOMPED AND DEFEATED. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT REALLY HOW THE CORRELATION OF MEASURE A AND PROP 50 ACROSS THE COUNTY, YOU START TO SEE THE HEARTBEAT OF RURAL SHASTA COUNTY. AND WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS A LOT OF THINGS ALIGN. IDEOLOGY DOES ALIGN. IT REALLY DOES ACTUALLY THERE IS A COMMON THREAD. NOT EVERYBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK THERE'S A THREAD. AND I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, IT'S THE DAYS OF THE PARTIZANSHIP STUFF IS OVER PEOPLE. YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, SINCE POST COVID AND WHERE WE ARE NOW, I THINK THERE IS A, A TRUE THROUGH AND THROUGH RED BLOODED AMERICAN THAT IS SHASTA COUNTY. AND I THINK THE IDEOLOGY OF THAT LINING UP IS IMPORTANT. AND AS WE TALK ABOUT TIME AND. SUPERVISOR PLUMMER YOU HAVE I'VE WORKED WITH YOU ON SOME THINGS I'VE ENJOYED THAT YOU SUPPORTED MR. CHRIS STREET, AND THAT IS THE REASON WE ARE ON THE PRECIPICE AND THE CUSP OF HEAVILY CHANGING HEALTH CARE IN SHASTA COUNTY. AND YOU ASSISTED ME IN THAT. AND I AGREE, AND I HOPE YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT. IF SUPERVISOR KELSTROM IS ELECTED. BUT THIS WHOLE NOTION OF EVERYBODY GETTING A RIBBON AND EVERYBODY GETTING AN AWARD, I THINK THAT'S CRAZY. AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOT OUR COUNTRY AND OUR COUNTY IN THE PROBLEM. IT IS BECAUSE WE SAY, OH, WELL, EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE. NO, WE VOTE ON IT. AND THAT'S THE FAIR THING. SO WHATEVER THIS VOTE BECOMES, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN SURPRISED UP HERE, I TALKED TO ONE PERSON THAT WAS SUPERVISOR KELSTROM. BUT WHATEVER THAT VOTE BECOMES, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THAT CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR WHOLEHEARTEDLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS ELECTED TO DO. I WILL SAY THE LAST THING SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER AND I DO APPRECIATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST RECUSED AN ITEM ON C [03:10:01] TWO BECAUSE YOU'RE OPERATING A BUSINESS MUCH LIKE I DO. MUCH LIKE SUPERVISOR HARMON DOES. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT FULL TIME IN THIS SEAT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TWO PATHS. SUPERVISOR KELSTROM IS THE ONLY ONE IN SUPERVISOR LONG IS RETIRED, BUT SUPERVISOR KELSTROM IS THE ONLY ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS UP HERE THAT IS OF A WORKING AGE IN TERMS OF COULD HAVE ANOTHER JOB. AND HE CHOSE TO FULLY BE GIVEN AS A SUPERVISOR ONLY. SO FROM A TIME COMMITMENT, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO SAY ABOUT THE TIME CREATED, BECAUSE SUPERVISOR KELSTROM DOES SPEND A LOT OF TIME, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING HIS LEADERSHIP. WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE. WE'LL START TO MY LEFT. ONE FINAL COMMENT. ABSOLUTELY, SIR. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. SO I THINK ON THE THE POINT OF IDEOLOGY, I THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING I WOULD CHALLENGE IN THE SENSE NOT OF WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS AND PHILOSOPHIES, BUT THAT THE CHAIR SHOULD NOT BE IMPOSING THEIR IDEOLOGY ON THE REST OF THE BOARD. THE CHAIR'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO FACILITATE A DISCUSSION AMONGST ALL OF US AND ALLOW FOR OPEN DEBATE. AND THAT WAS PART OF WHY I BROUGHT THE. THE MOTION BEFORE THIS BOARD EARLIER TODAY IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE EACH OF US HAS THE RIGHT. AS SOMEONE WHO HAS EARNED A SEAT ON HERE THROUGH AN ELECTION, TO BRING THAT FORWARD, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE THE CHAIR THAT IS DIRECTING AND RESTRICTING BASED ON THEIR IDEOLOGY. AND THAT'S HOW I WILL LEAD IF I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CHAIR. EACH OF US WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING FORTH WHAT THEY WANT AND TO HAVE AN OPEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, WHERE THEN WE AS FIVE SUPERVISORS CAN VOTE ON IT. ABSOLUTELY. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE BECAUSE THAT CAME UP. THE THE ITEM ABOUT ADMIN POLICY 101. THE REASON THAT'S IN PLACE, I'LL JUST TELL YOU NOW IS BECAUSE LET'S HYPOTHETICALLY SAY SUPERVISOR LONG WANTS TO MAKE EVERY MEETING WE'RE ALL GOING TO WEAR, YOU KNOW, RED HATS. AND IF IT'S A VOTABLE ITEM, WE HAVE TO PUT THAT ON EVERY SINGLE AGENDA. AND THAT'S HAPPENED HISTORICALLY IN THE PAST. I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND SUPERVISOR JONES AT ONE POINT PASSED SUPERVISOR JONES WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING THAT ONLY THE CHAIR COULD PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. AND I VOTED AGAINST THAT. I SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT OKAY. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THE CEO AND IT NEEDS TO BE THE CHAIR. I DON'T THINK ANY ONE PERSON SHOULD HAVE THAT POWER. SO WHEN IT COMES TO VOTABLE ITEMS, THAT'S WHY ADMIN POLICY 101 DOES IT AND CORRECT. AND YOU WOULD ADMIT THIS, ANYTHING YOU'VE EVER ASKED ME TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, I'VE PUT ON THE AGENDA. I MEAN EVERYTHING. NO, THAT'S THAT'S NOT RIGHT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DEBATE ABOUT THAT. AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE STOPPED IN ANY CASE. I'M JUST MAKING THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS CHAIR, I WOULD ENSURE THAT EACH OF US ON THIS BOARD HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING FORTH THEIR IDEOLOGY, BRING FORTH THEIR PRIORITIES, AND MAKE THAT HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD. AND WHEN I SAY ABOUT IDEOLOGY, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, AND JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT SO MUCH A REPUBLICAN VERSUS DEMOCRAT TYPE THING. WHAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IS, ARE WE SHASTA COUNTY FIRST OR ARE WE NOT? AND WHAT I WANT IS I WANT TO SUPPORT PEOPLE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE BORN HERE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GROW UP HERE. BUT THEY REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A PRETTY DEEP HISTORY AND UNDERSTANDING THE CONSTITUENTS. AND I THINK THAT PLAYS OUT FOR ME. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE VOTE. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO MY LEFT. THAT'S YOUR FIRST WARNING FROM YELLING OUT MISS BLANKENSHIP. THE FIRST ONE MOTION WILL TAKE IS SUPERVISOR HARMON AS VICE CHAIR, AS MADE BY SUPERVISOR KELSTROM. SECONDED BY ME. NOW, ISN'T IT ISN'T THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION WHICH IS PLUMMER HARMON. THAT'S NEXT. THAT'S THAT'LL BE THE SECOND ONE. THIS IS THE THIRD ONE. THIS IS THE. OKAY, SO THE VERY FIRST ONE WE'RE TAKING IS THE VICE CHAIR AND SUPERVISOR PLUMMER MADE THE MOTION AS WELL. BUT SUPERVISOR KELSTROM HAD ALREADY MADE IT. SO. SO THE THIRD ONE IS SUPERVISOR. HARMON IS VICE CHAIR, VICE AND KELSTROM NO. THE SOLE VOTE AS SUPERVISOR HARMON AS VICE CHAIR. THAT'S THE MOTION BY NOT WELL PLUMMER AND KELSTROM, BUT IT WAS KELSTROM. SO IT WAS A MOTION MADE BY KELSTROM, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR. CRYE TO RECOMMEND SUPERVISOR HARMON AS VICE CHAIR FOR 2026. THAT'S THE MOTION WE'RE VOTING ON. OKAY. WHICH WHO AM I STARTING WITH? WE'RE STARTING WITH, WELL, WE'LL START WITH. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. YES. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. YEAH. YOU CAN VOTE FOR YOURSELF. YEAH. YES. SUPERVISOR. CRYE. YES. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. YES. AND SUPERVISOR LONG. YES. OKAY. PASSES FIVE ZERO. THAT IS SUPERVISOR. HARMON. AS VICE CHAIR FOR 2026, WE'LL START WITH THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION OF SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER AS CHAIR. WE'LL START TO MY LEFT WITH SUPERVISOR. LONG. YES. LONG. YES. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. NO. SUPERVISOR. CRYE. NO. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. NO. AND SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. YES. FAILS. TWO. THREE. WE'LL TAKE THE ORIGINAL MOTION MADE BY MYSELF FOR SUPERVISOR KELSTROM TO BE CHAIR. WE'LL START WITH SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. [03:15:01] NO. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. YES. SUPERVISOR. CRYE. YES. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. YES. AND SUPERVISOR LONG. NO PASSES THREE TWO. CONGRATULATIONS. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR OUR NINE. [R7 Conduct a public hearing and introduce, waive the reading of, and enact “An Ordinance of the Board of Supervisors of the County of Shasta Setting and Identifying Fees to be Charged by the County of Shasta.”] HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. DON'T SAY ANYTHING. STEPHANIE. COMMENT FOR CLOSED [R8 CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL – EXISTING LITIGATION (Government Code Section 54956.9(d)(1)): Names of cases: Yuzon, Jennifer v. County of Shasta et al., Shasta County Superior Court, Case No. 25CV-0207728 Ladd, Daniel and Hobbs, Laura v. Toller, Thomas, Shasta County Superior Court, Case No. 25CV-0206952 Tyler Thompson v. County of Shasta (WC Case #11-0064/WCAB Case #ADJ9203081, WC Case #23-0407/WCAB Case #ADJ20250382, WC Case #98-0250-0096/WCAB Case #ADJ1678298, WC Case #97-0250-0023/WCAB Case #ADJ3517545) Duque vs. City of Redding et al., United States District Court for the Eastern District of California, Case No. 2:25-CV-02830-DMC] SESSION CHAIR. YES. YEAH. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR CLOSED SESSION. THAT'S OUR IS IT 7 OR 8. OH WAIT. WE YES R8R9 AND R TEN. AND THEN MISS SHORT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE YOURS AFTER LUNCH AFTER A SHORT COMMERCIAL BREAK. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR CLOSED SESSION. SO FOR R EIGHT WE HAVE SIX SPEAKERS. FIRST UP IS BEV FOLLOWED BY DOLORES LUCERO. IS BEV HERE? NOT BEV COMING HE'S UP, MOVING DOWN THE AISLE. MAGNETO WITH HER HAT TODAY. COME ON UP, BEV. WELCOME, WELCOME. SORRY. WASN'T EXPECTED TO BE THE FIRST ONE. OKAY. I WANT TO ASK YOU TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THERE HAS BEEN WRONGDOINGS IN OUR ELECTIONS UNDER THE PREVIOUS ROV AND ASSISTANT ROV. IT'S HARD TO TELL IF THE RESULTS HAS BEEN DELIBERATE OR INCOMPETENCE. READ THE 15 PAGE LETTER TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE IF IT GOES TO ANOTHER COURT DATE. IS THERE A CHANCE THE COURT WILL RULE IN THE COUNTY'S FAVOR. GIVEN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AT EVERY LEVEL OF THE COURT SYSTEM. SUPPORT WE THE PEOPLE AND GO AGAINST THE WRONGDOINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT UP, DOLORES LUCERO, FOLLOWED BY GARDNER, THEN BEN, THEN ANTONIA. YOU NEED TO RESET IT. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SWITCH PLACES AFTER YOU VOTE. WHOSE CHAIR? YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONTINUE THE MEETING. YEAH. HERE YOU GO. ANOTHER ATTITUDE. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. DON'T TELL ME. ALRIGHT. STOP INTERRUPTING. ON CLOSED SESSION REGARDING LAURA HUB. LIKE I SAID BEFORE. YOU CANNOT HAVE THESE PEOPLE TO CONTINUE VIOLATING THE LAWS. THEY VIOLATED THE ELECTION LAWS FOR THEM TO GATHER SIGNATURES AND THEN AND THEN TO TAMPER WITH THE ELECTION. AND SHE'S THE SAME PERSON WHO ACTUALLY FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE COUNTY, AND ALSO IS THE SAME PERSON WHO WORKS IN THE ELECTION DEPARTMENT. HERE IS THE LISTING OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO GATHER SIGNATURES AND TAMPER WITH THE ELECTION. THAT'S A FELONY. YOU NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING. YOU ALL FIVE OF YOU NEED TO START QUESTIONING CHRIS. CHRIS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO A DAMN THING BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW KEVIN CAUCHI. WE KNOW YOU'RE STUPID. BOTTOM LINE. BUT YOU YOU GUYS NEED TO DO A LOT MORE. REGARDLESS WHAT KEVIN AND CAUCHI AND CHRIS DOES HERE, YOU BOTH NEED TO START GOING OUT OF THE BOX. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. YOU DO. THIS IS ABOUT THE CLOSED SESSION. YOU ALLOW LAURA HUB TO GO AHEAD AND YOU APPROVE THE ELECTION AND THE RESULTS AND EVERYTHING. THEY COMMITTED FELONIES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THIS IS ABOUT CLOSED SESSION. SHE FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE COUNTY, AND YET SHE IS WORKING IN THE ELECTION DEPARTMENT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? NOT TO INTERRUPT ME. YEAH. NO, I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR OWN RULES. YOU'RE VIOLATING. YOU HAVE TO STICK TO R8. I AM. DID YOU HEAR WHAT I SAID? TWICE. YES. THEN SHUT UP. YEAH. THAT'S YOUR FIRST WARNING. WHY DO YOU WANT TO SILENCE MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH? YOU'RE INTERRUPTING. YOU'RE NOT STAYING ON TOPIC? OH, REALLY, I AM. IF YOU PAY ATTENTION, YOU WILL HEAR IT. NOBODY CAN UNDERSTAND. HE VIOLATED THE LAWS. AND YOU ARE ALLOWING THIS TO COME INTO CLOSED SESSION TO APPROVE THE LAWSUIT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING. HOW CAN YOU DO THAT? THAT SHOULD BE THROWN OUT. AND THE COUNTY ALSO PAID FOR THESE PEOPLE TO RUN IN THE ELECTION. YOU ALL ARE VIOLATING THE LAW AND HAVING THIS LAWSUIT ON THE AGENDA, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT. YOU'RE GOING TO WHAT? PAY. PAY HER IN FOR HER FAVOR AFTER SHE GETS ALREADY PAID TO TAMPER THE ELECTION AND HER [03:20:06] OWN BALLOTS. 10,000 BALLOTS. HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO CONTINUE BREAKING THE LAW? GARDNER. FOLLOWED BY BEN ANTONIA, THEN LAURA HOBBS. IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE. I ADMIT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS ON. THE REASON FOR THIS HOBBS CASE BACK ON THE AGENDA IN CHECKING THE SUPERIOR COURT RECORDS. HOBBS HAS FAILED MISERABLY. STRUCK OUT TWICE BY THE COURT AND DID FILE IN THIRD DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS AND WITHDREW. SO I'M NOT TOO SURE WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IS, IS HOBBS TRYING TO GET THE COUNTY TO PAY FOR HER ATTORNEY? I WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL, I GUESS AFTER DELIBERATION REGARDING THIS TOPIC, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT HOBBS HAS COST THIS COUNTY OVER $107,000 IN DEFENDING AGAINST WHAT? NEXT TIME WILL BE A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT. TO SPREAD PROPAGANDA, LIES, UNSUBSTANTIATED MISINFORMATION, UNSUBSTANTIATED FACT THAT WAS ADMONISHED BY NOT ONE BUT TWO JUDGES. BASICALLY THERE AIN'T NOTHING THERE. SO THIS IS INDICATIVE. SHARE. CRYE. I THINK OF THE DIRECTION THAT YOU HAVE STEERED THIS COUNTY IN. THAT THIS STUFF IS OKAY. WOW. YOU KNOW, WE ARE NATIONALLY KNOWN FOR HOBBES CASE AGAINST SHASTA COUNTY. I MEAN, INTERNATIONALLY KNOWN. IT'S BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. AND IT'S PERPLEXING HOW A LYING ELECTION DENIER. CAN SUE THE COUNTY AS POSSIBLY. SHE'S DOING IT AGAIN. AND STILL WORK FOR THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT. IT'S BLATANTLY EVIDENT. THE PARTIZANSHIP THAT MR. CRYE SAYS IS NOT THERE. WE KNOW IT'S BULL, PURE BS. I LOOK FORWARD TO UNDERSTANDING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. IT COULD BE THAT SHE'S ASKING THE COUNTY TO PAY FOR HER LEGAL EXPENSES. IT COULD BE THE COUNTY IS INSTIGATING LEGAL EXPENSES. WE DON'T KNOW. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CLIENT CONFIDENTIALITY ASPECT. BUT I SURE LOOK FORWARD TO FINDING OUT. NOT SEEING BEN ANTONIO COME ON UP. FOLLOWED BY LAURA HOBBS. MISS. MISS BLANKENSHIP, I'M GOING TO STEP OUT TO TAKE A CALL. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO VICE CHAIR SUPERVISOR KELSTROM. I DON'T HAVE TO DO A VOTE FOR THAT, DO I? NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO STEP OUT. I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. COME ON UP, ANTONIO. COME ON UP. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING OUR ELECTION AND MAKING IT MORE FAIR AND TRANSPARENT. LAD VERSUS TOLLER HAS UNCOVERED MANY PROBLEMS WITH THE NOVEMBER 2024 ELECTIONS. THESE INCLUDE 2783 MORE VOTES COUNTED THAN PEOPLE THAT VOTED, AS WELL AS DISHONEST, AS WELL AS A DISHONEST REPORT TO THE SECRETARY. SECRETARY OF STATE ISSUED BY JOANNA FRANCISCO THAT DRASTICALLY UNDERSTATE THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT 1% TALLY DID NOT MATCH THE MACHINE COUNT. WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW LAWS TO BE BROKEN. THOSE WHO BREAK THE LAWS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE. SO THAT ELECTION LAWS BE FOLLOWED IN SHASTA COUNTY TO AVOID FURTHER COSTS TO THE COMMUNITY SETTLED IN COURT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LAURA HOBBS. A PERSON WHO SHOULD BE SPEAKING OF COMMENDATION AND ALL THAT VIOLATION OF [03:25:06] CITIZENS. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. ALL RIGHT, SO ALL THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN LAD VERSUS TOLLER IS THAT THE CALIFORNIA STATE ELECTION CODE IS FOLLOWED. THAT'S A SIMPLE REQUEST. THAT'S THEIR DUTY BY LAW ANYWAY. 2783 MORE BALLOTS WERE CAST THAN PEOPLE THAT VOTED IN THE 2020 4TH NOVEMBER ELECTION. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THERE'S BEEN NO EXPLANATION. OVER 2000 PEOPLE WHO WERE MARKED AS UNDELIVERABLE. THAT MEANS THE MAILMAN TRIED TO DELIVER IT, AND IT GOT RETURNED AS UNDELIVERABLE TO THE OFFICE INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING CALIFORNIA ELECTION CODE 2226. I'M SORRY, 2666. NO, IT'S 2226. INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THAT ELECTION CODE, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY WENT AHEAD AND SENT THOSE FOLKS BALLOTS. THEY VIOLATED THE LAW. AND SOME ABOUT 600 OF THOSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY VOTED THE BALLOTS THAT THEY WERE SENT. THERE WERE 511 TIMES THAT THE 1% TALLY, THE HAND COUNT DID NOT MATCH THE MACHINE COUNT IN THIS ELECTION. THE NOVEMBER ELECTION OF 2024. AND IN FACT, JOHANNA FRANCISCA, SHE LIED TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND SHE LIED TO THE PEOPLE OF SHASTA COUNTY. SHE SAID THERE WAS ONLY TEN TIMES IN WHICH THOSE TWO NUMBERS DID NOT MATCH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE, THAT YOU'VE APPOINTED CLINT CURTIS, I BELIEVE HE WILL BE ELECTED AS WELL IN 2026. HOWEVER THESE THINGS WE STILL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HOLD PEOPLE TO ACCOUNT AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR PENAL CODES TO BE CHARGED, ALTHOUGH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY COULD POSSIBLY DO THAT FOR JOANNA SUBMITTING FICTITIOUS STATEMENTS. HOWEVER, ALL THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT CALIFORNIA STATE LAW IS FOLLOWED. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY TOO MUCH OF AN ASK. AS FAR AS THE SETTLEMENT GOES, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MONEY. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING TANGIBLE THAT WOULD THAT YOU GUYS COULD REALLY OBJECT TO. AND AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, LAWYER'S ADVICE. SO YOU'LL GET ADVICE FROM JOSEPH LARMORE. HOWEVER, LEADERS LEAD. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE LISTEN TO ADVICE, BUT DON'T JUST FOLLOW IT BLINDLY. MAKE YOUR DECISIONS FROM A PLACE OF LEADERSHIP AND DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE PEOPLE OF SHASTA COUNTY. ON THIS, WE NEED TO HAVE JUSTICE ON THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER FOR R EIGHT. THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS FOR ITEM R NINE OR R TEN. WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS FOR R 11. [R11 PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION (Government Code Section 54957): Title:  County Executive Officer] LESLIE COME ON UP. AND I DON'T SEE BEN. SO LESLIE WILL BE OUR ONLY SPEAKER. WELCOME. SINCE WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY AS I THOUGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON THIS. I'LL KEEP IT SHORT. OUR CEO HAS BEEN ACCESSIBLE. HE'S BEEN AT THINGS. HE'S BEEN AT EVERY EVENT. HE HAS BEEN BOOTS ON THE GROUND DOING A GREAT JOB. HE WAS AT THE STRATEGIC MEETINGS. HE WAS ANSWERING QUESTIONS. HE WAS DOWN THERE ON HIS DAYS OFF TRYING TO HELP WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AT THE ROV OFFICE. HE GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND I KNOW THAT HE TAKES ARROWS EVERY DAY, BUT HE IS NOT THE EMBODIMENT OF A CEO SHOULD BE. HE DEFERS TO YOU BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE WORKS FOR YOU, AND THEN HE HELPS KEEP THIS COUNTY ON TRACK. AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE WE ARE USED TO THE CITY MANAGER MANAGING THE COUNCIL AND THIS COUNTY UNDER HIS JOB, BEING IN THAT JOB AND HIM DEFERRING TO YOU GUYS THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK HAS BEEN FUNCTIONING VERY WELL AND WE HAVE SEEN A LOT GET DONE IN OUR COUNTY. SO I APPRECIATE YOU. I KNOW THAT YOU HEAR A LOT OF JUNK ALL THE TIME, SO I WANTED TO TAKE THE MOMENT BEFORE YOU GUYS GO INTO THAT TO SAY HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB AND WE APPRECIATE HIM. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER. OKAY. SO ESTIMATE TIME IN CLOSED SESSION IS 2.5 HOURS. WOULD YOU AGREE ON 130 BY THE VERY EARLIEST? WOULD WE BE BACK? HERE'S YOUR GAVEL. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, WE WON'T BE BACK BEFORE 130, BUT DON'T COUNT ON US BEING HERE. PROBABLY AT 130. BUT I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE WON'T BE HERE BEFORE 130. WITH THAT, WE ARE AT RECESS. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. RETURNING FROM CLOSED SESSION COUNSEL LARMER. IS THERE ANY REPORTABLE ACTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? ITEM R EIGHT AND THERE IS NO REPORTABLE ACTION R NINE. [R9 CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL – ANTICIPATED LITIGATION (Government Code Section 54954.9(d)(4)): Initiation of Litigation: One potential case] [03:30:02] THE BOARD VOTED FIVE ZERO TO INITIATE LITIGATION AND TO EMPLOY THE LAW FIRM OF BARON AND BUDD. NO REPORTABLE ACTION ON R TEN AND NO REPORTABLE ACTION ON R 11. THANK YOU. COUNSEL LARMER, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO I BELIEVE IT IS R SEVEN THAT IS, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND INTRODUCE. WAIVE THE READING OF AND ENACT AN ORDINANCE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF SHASTA SETTING AND IDENTIFYING FEES TO BE CHARGED BY THE COUNTY OF SHASTA. MISS NOEL SHORT, AUDITOR, CONTROLLER. HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY? GOOD. HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? DOING GREAT. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS. COMING BACK. YES. THANK YOU CHAIR. CRYE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND ALL THE SHORT AUDITOR. CONTROLLER. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN ITEM TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE SETTING AND IDENTIFYING FEES TO BE CHARGED BY THE COUNTY OF SHASTA. WE BRING THIS EACH YEAR. SO THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH, WHICH HELPS US TO REVIEW AND ESTABLISH A MASTER FEE LIST FOR THE COUNTY. AND AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HEAR ANY REQUESTS FROM DEPARTMENTS TO COLLECT LESS THAN FULL COST RECOVERY. SO WE DO HAVE ADMIN POLICY 2-202, WHICH REQUIRES DEPARTMENTS TO OBTAIN FULL COST RECOVERY FOR SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE. AND IF THEY WANT TO CHARGE A FEE THAT'S LESS THAN THAT, THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD, AND THEY NEED TO BRING THOSE ITEMS FORWARD. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT AS PART OF TODAY'S PROCESS AS WELL. OKAY. I HAVE SOME NOTES. I'M GOING TO GO DOWN MY NOTES SO WE DON'T FORGET ANYTHING. SO WE DO GO THROUGH EACH YEAR AND DEPARTMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CALCULATING THEIR FEES ANNUALLY. IF THEY DON'T DO IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, THEY'LL HEAR FROM US AND WE'LL CALL THEM GO, HEY, YOU HAVEN'T UPDATED THIS FEE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE HAVE INCREASES IN PERS, HEALTH CARE, INFLATION, OTHER THINGS. SO REALLY OUR FEES SHOULD BE GOING UP INCREMENTALLY BY A TINY AMOUNT EVERY YEAR. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC, IT'S ALSO A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND WHY A FEE GOES UP BY A LITTLE BIT VERSUS YOU WAIT FIVE YEARS AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS HUGE JUMP IN FEES. AND SO THAT CONSISTENCY, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR TRANSPARENCY IN THE PUBLIC AS WELL. AND DEPARTMENTS WILL SUBMIT ALL OF THEIR FEE CALCULATION WORKSHEETS TO OUR OFFICE AND WE COMPILE THOSE INTO A MASTER FEE LIST. WE ALSO MAKE THOSE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, SO THEY ARE PUBLICLY NOTICED AND AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND VIEW. TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND I TALK WITH STAFF TODAY, NOBODY HAS COME IN AND REVIEWED THAT BOOKLET THAT'S BEEN UP FRONT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW AT THIS POINT. AND. SO WE'VE HAD, AS I SAID, WE'VE HAD NO REQUESTS TO REVIEW IT. IF ADOPTED, THE NEW AND REVISED FEES WILL BE IN EFFECT AFTER 60 DAYS. AND SO THIS IS A CHANGE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. SO PREVIOUSLY THEY WOULD BE IN EFFECT AFTER 30 DAYS. AND AS PART OF OUR FEE AUDITS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WE DISCOVERED THAT THERE ARE SOME FEES WITHIN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AND AG AND POTENTIALLY OTHERS OUT THERE WHERE THEY CAN'T GO INTO EFFECT FOR 60 DAYS. AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THINK A LOT OF US WERE UNAWARE OF. AND SO NOW WE'RE JUST SETTING EVERYTHING WHERE EVERYTHING'S GOING TO GO INTO EFFECT AFTER 60 DAYS, WHICH SHOULD COVER THE COUNTY IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S ANY ISSUES. SO THAT WILL BE A NEW PROCESS GOING FORWARD. AND LET'S SEE. I JUST HAD A COUPLE MORE NOTES HERE. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT WE DO HAVE TWO DEPARTMENTS HERE THAT WILL BE REQUESTING. WELL, I SEE ONE OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF ELECTIONS FOR THIS IS HERE. I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF CLINT CURTIS. SO WE DID HAVE TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO REQUEST TO CHARGE A LESSER FEE. AND SO THEY'LL COME UP AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THOSE FEES. I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM CLINT CURTIS AND HE WAS GOING TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT I KNOW KIND OF WHAT HIS ISSUE IS. AND THEN I CAN SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT AS WELL. AND I WOULD JUST REMIND YOU THAT IF WE DO REDUCE ANY FEES TODAY AND DECIDE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT THOSE FROM THE USER OF THE FEE OR THE, THE PERSON WHO RECEIVED THE SERVICE, THAT THAT FEE WOULD THEN YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY WHAT REVENUE IS GOING TO BE USED. AND I WOULD REMIND PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT GENERALLY MEANS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO USE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THAT, ALL OTHER TAXPAYERS WILL BE PAYING FOR THAT COST. SO THE COST DOESN'T JUST GO AWAY. IT GETS BORNE BY THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS IN THE COUNTY. SO IT'S REALLY WHO'S GOING TO PAY IT, THE USER OF THE SERVICE OR EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY. BECAUSE GENERALLY WHEN WE'RE COVERING THOSE, IT COMES OUT OF GENERAL FUND. AND SO AT THIS TIME, I DON'T WANT TO GET THINGS OUT OF ORDER. SO. I GUESS WE HAVE TO. I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT POINT WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENTS COME UP. SO IT'S TOTALLY DO WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN HAVE THE DEPARTMENTS COME UP. ARE WE READY FOR THAT NOW? ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MISS GOLDSMITH IS ALL CORRESPONDENCE ON FILE WITH THE CLERK OF THE BOARD. ANY CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED IS ON FILE WITH THE CLERK OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MISS SHORT. WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRING UP? [03:35:01] SO FIRST WE'LL HAVE AG COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THEIR FEES. AG AND THEY ALSO DID ATTACH A MEMO. SO IT HAS BEEN ATTACHED FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD EXPLAINING. AND THEY DO THIS EVERY YEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. HELLO SIR. HELLO, CHAIR. CRYE. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. JOHN INGRAM, AGRICULTURE COMMISSIONER. AS YOU GUYS PROBABLY RECALL, LAST YEAR. I WAS STANDING HERE JUST ABOUT A YEAR AGO TODAY ASKING THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE CERTIFIED PRODUCER CERTIFICATES AND THE CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET FEES. PURSUANT PURSUANT TO ADMIN POLICY. 202 DEPARTMENT SHALL RECOVER FULL COSTS FOR SERVICES PROVIDED TO INDIVIDUALS AND AGENCIES OUTSIDE THE COUNTY ORGANIZATION TO THE EXTENT ALLOWED BY LAW. THE SHASTA COUNTY ACT COMMISSIONER ISSUES CERTIFICATES FOR FARMERS MARKETS AND CERTIFIED PRODUCERS. A FEE ANALYSIS HAS REVEALED THE CURRENT FEES ARE NOT RECOVERING THE FULL COST OF SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER RECOMMENDS THAT THE FEES CHARGED FOR CERTIFIED PRODUCER CPCS AND ABBREVIATION MODIFICATION OR REPLACEMENTS, AND THE CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET CERTIFICATES BE MAINTAINED AT THEIR CURRENT LEVELS. I'LL JUMP INTO THE CURRENT RATES FOR THE CERTIFIED PRODUCER CERTIFICATE. WE'RE CURRENTLY CHARGING $20 THE THE CPC MODIFICATION. SO SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE AN EDIT TO THEIR CPC IS CURRENTLY CHARGED $5. AND THE CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET THEMSELVES, THE ENTITY OF THE MARKET. SO EACH INDIVIDUAL MARKET IS CHARGED $50 FULL COST RECOVERY FOR CPC. SO THAT'S THE ACTUAL CERTIFICATE FOR THE ACTUAL GROWER TO SELL AT THE FARMER'S MARKET. SO FULL COST RECOVERY FOR THAT WOULD BE $285. THE CPC MODIFICATION WOULD BE $13.86. AND THE CERTIFIED FARMER'S MARKET IS $709. AND THAT'S THE COST FOR MY OFFICE TO GO OUT AND DO SERVICES PROVIDED TO THOSE CERTIFICATES AND THOSE PLACES OF BUSINESS. THOSE ARE PER YEAR, CORRECT? YES. WE'LL GO INTO DETAILS. CPC IS ISSUED 32. WE DID FOUR MODIFICATIONS LAST YEAR AND WE ISSUED SIX CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKETS. SO RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBERS. TOTAL COST RECOVERY FOR CPCS WOULD BE $9,145. ULTIMATELY $55 FOR MODIFICATIONS AND $4,258 IN FARMERS MARKETS. ONE THING TO MENTION WITH THE CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKETS BEING THAT THE THE WAY THE AG DEPARTMENT IS FUNDED WE GET MONEY BACK FOR AG EXPENDITURES BASED OFF OF A CALCULATION FROM THE STATE FOR UNCLAIMED GAS TAX. SO LAST YEAR WE GOT ROUGHLY 40% ON THE DOLLAR $0.40 ON THE DOLLAR AG WORK COMING BACK. SO THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND IMPACT FOR THIS ENTIRE PROGRAM, INCLUDING CPCS, CPC MODIFICATIONS AND CFMS, IS ROUGHLY $8,000. $8,075 WOULD BE THE GENERAL FUND IMPACT. IF WE CONTINUE WITH THE FEE RATES THAT WE HAVE FULL COST RECOVERY IS AROUND $13,459. SO IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT WE KEEP THE $20 FEE FOR THE CERTIFIED PRODUCER CERTIFICATE FOR THOSE GROWERS. I SPOKE TO MANY OF THEM. WE HAVE A FEW IN THE AUDITORIUM TODAY TO SPEAK TO THAT. IF WE COMPARE TWO FEES SURROUNDING COUNTIES, BUTTE COUNTY CHARGES 66, GLENN COUNTY CHARGES 20. LASSEN COUNTY CHARGES TEN. MODOC COUNTY CHARGES NOTHING. SHASTA COUNTY CHARGES 20 AND TEHAMA COUNTY CHARGES FIVE. REGARDING THE FARMERS MARKET ITSELF LIKE I MENTIONED, IT WOULD BE, WE CHARGE CURRENTLY $50 RECOVERY COST OF $709. THAT'S JUST STAFF GOING OUT TO THESE MARKETS AND DOING THE MARKET INSPECTIONS. WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO GO OUT AND DO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION OF THOSE MARKETS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE HAVE STAFF GO OUT AND DO THAT. IT DOES TAKE TIME TO GO AROUND TO EACH INDIVIDUAL STALL, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. AND THAT'S WHY THAT FEE IS RELATIVELY HIGHER. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES. ON THAT. AND THIS MIGHT EVEN BE FOR NOLA AND I JUST. SO THE STATE REQUIRES THAT WOULD THAT FALL UNDER ANY KIND OF SB $90 OR THAT WE SHOULD BE REIMBURSED FOR THAT? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I COULD LOOK INTO THAT. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MANDATE THAT'S OUT THERE FOR TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS. I THINK THOSE HAVE PROBABLY BEEN IN EFFECT LONG BEFORE EITHER ONE OF US. BUT YEAH, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MANDATES THAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE. OKAY. WE CAN RECOVER OUR COSTS FROM THAT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IF THE STATE, IF THE STATE REQUIRES HIS DEPARTMENT TO GO DO THAT, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HE PARTICULARLY. YES. THE PREMISE OF A MANDATE IS YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECOVER YOUR COSTS ELSEWHERE. AND SO BECAUSE YOU CAN TRY TO BE YOU CAN LEVY A FEE FOR THE SERVICE YOU PROVIDE AUTOMATICALLY IS GOING TO EXCLUDE IT FROM BEING A STATE MANDATE. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. YEAH, JUST BEFORE YOUR TIME AND MY TIME. [03:40:03] SUPERVISOR. CRYE. THEY WENT AND DID THIS FEE STUDY BACK IN 2021, 2020, EARLY 2022. AND IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE $20 FEE THAT THEY WERE CHARGING PEOPLE AT A CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET TO SELL THEIR HONEYCOMB SOAP OR THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEIR, THEIR HONEY AND FRESH HONEY BEE HONEY, THEY WERE THE COST ANALYSIS. THEY WERE GOING TO GO FROM $20 A PERMIT TO LIKE 260 OR SOMETHING, WHICH WAS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. WHEN I WON, I SAT DOWN WITH PAUL HILLMAN AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, AS A SMALLER GOVERNMENT GUY, WHY DO YOU EVEN NEED A PERMIT TO GO TO THE FARMERS MARKET AND SELL YOUR HONEYCOMB SOAP? AND HE SAID, TO HAVE A CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET, YOU HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT PERMIT A NON CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET. YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT. YOU JUST IT'S LIKE A LITTLE FLEA MARKET IN HAPPY VALLEY OR WHATEVER. SO BUT I WILL SAY RECENTLY THIS CAME UP IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN COTTONWOOD, AND I TRIED TO SHARE MY KNOWLEDGE WITH THEM SAYING, JUST HAVE A FARMERS MARKET, DON'T DO THE CERTIFIED AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE GAL THAT CAME DOWN TALKED TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOUR DEPARTMENT OR THEY WERE SOLD ON. OH, WELL, YOU'RE OPEN FOR MORE INSPECTIONS IF YOU DON'T DO A CERTIFIED ONE, WEIGHTS AND MEASURES HAVE COME DOWN AND CHECK YOU MORE OFTEN AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. SO THEY END UP GOING TO CERTIFIED. BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER. CAN'T MAKE THEM DRINK. SO YOU CAN'T HAVE A NON CERTIFIED MARKET. HOWEVER THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS IN PLACE FOR CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKETS. YOU'RE FREE FROM STANDARD PACK STANDARD SIZE STANDARD CONTAINER. IF YOU WERE TO SELL A NON CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET, THOSE GROWERS TECHNICALLY UTILIZING STATE LAW, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE YOUR CERTIFIED PRODUCE A CERTIFICATE THAT THEY HAVE THROUGH OUR OFFICE TO SELL AT THAT MARKET. BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE GROWER. AND ONLY THE GROWER. NOW IN THAT INSTANCE WHERE YOU'RE SELLING AT A NON CERTIFIED FARMER'S MARKET, IF YOU'RE NOT THE GROWER, THEN THE STANDARD STANDARDIZATION LAWS APPLY AND NOT SO MUCH IN THIS COUNTY THAT WE'D HAVE THAT ISSUE. BUT WE'RE TALKING NEW BOXES. CERTAIN COMMODITIES HAVE STRICT STANDARD COMMODITY REQUIREMENTS. ORANGES HAVE TO BE IN THE STANDARD PACK STANDARD SIZE. THEY HAVE TO BE UNIFORM, SIZE, UNIFORM, MATURE. SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THOSE KICK INTO GEAR. SO ESSENTIALLY HAVING A FARMERS MARKET, A CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET, GROWERS ARE EXEMPT FROM ALL OF THAT. AND THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GO AND SELL THEIR, YOU KNOW, MISSHAPEN TOMATOES AND BRINGING IN OLD BOXES AND ALL THAT. SO AGAIN, I DIDN'T MAKE THESE RULES. THESE RULES ARE A LONG TIME BEFORE ME. ARE THEY SILLY? YES, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LOVE FOR GROWERS JUST TO BE ABLE TO GO SELL WHAT THEY GROW. AND IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT PART OF WHAT WE ENFORCE. SO IT IS EASIER TO SELL THINGS AT A CERTIFIED FARMER'S MARKET THAN A NON CERTIFIED PHARMACY. YES. I MEAN, IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO GET A $20 CERTIFICATE FROM MY OFFICE, TELL ME WHAT THEY'RE GROWING AND THEN ESTABLISH A FARMERS MARKET, A CERTIFIED FARMER'S MARKET, BECAUSE THEN IT OPENS UP THE DOORS FOR WHICH THE GROWERS ARE ABLE TO SELL. SO IF I'M NOT CERTIFIED AND I GO DOWN TO THE FARMER'S MARKET, MY TOMATOES AREN'T THE SAME SIZE. I CAN POSSIBLY GET DINGED. IS THAT CORRECT? SO IF YOU ARE NOT CERTIFIED, YOU WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BE TO SELL AT A CERTIFIED FARMER'S MARKET BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT REGULAR FARMER'S MARKET. SO IF I WERE TO JUST PICK SOME TOMATOES AND GO DOWN TO A FARMER'S MARKET, NOT CERTIFIED MY TOMATOES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME SIZE, BUT I GET THAT I GET THAT LOOPHOLE IF I GET CERTIFIED, RIGHT. SO THAT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. BUT POTENTIALLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, YOU WOULD FALL INTO THE STANDARDIZATION RULES. THAT IS IF YOU WERE JUST. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY AREAS, NUANCES AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE RULES. SO I APPRECIATE YOU, JOHN. I APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. SO YEAH. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. HEY, JOHN, DO YOU KNOW THE LAST TIME THAT WE INCREASED THESE FEES? THE 25 THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. I DON'T RECALL THE LAST TIME WE'VE EVER INCREASED THE CPC FEE FROM $20. I'VE BEEN IN THIS DEPARTMENT FOR 17.5 YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN $20 SINCE DAY ONE. WHEN I STARTED. HOWEVER, THE FARMER'S MARKET FEE WAS CONSIDERABLY LESS. I BELIEVE WE CHARGED $25 TO REGISTER THE MARKET, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS DURING HIS TENURE. SO PREVIOUS AG COMMISSIONER BEFORE ME, WE DOUBLED THAT TO 50 TO CORRESPOND WITH SOME OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES. AND THAT'S FOR THE EACH INDIVIDUAL MARKET. AND YOU WERE I THINK YOU SHARED THE COMPARISONS FOR THE CPC AND YOU WERE IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE ABOUT TO SHARE THEM FOR THE. I CAN DO THAT. YEAH. GOOD POINT. SO TOUCHING ON THAT BUTTE COUNTY IS $81. GLENN COUNTY IS $30, LASSEN COUNTY IS $50, MODOC COUNTY IS $0 AND WE CHARGE $50 CURRENTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR LONG. THANK YOU. WHY? WHY THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND THE DIFFERENT COSTS FOR PROVIDING THE SAME SERVICE THAT THAT IS THE PART THAT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON. AND THAT'S A QUESTION AND I'VE ACTUALLY ASKED SURROUNDING COUNTIES WHY THAT IS. AND AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO HAVE THEM REVIEW THEIR FEES IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO, HONESTLY. [03:45:01] I MEAN, IT'S NO, THEY DON'T THEY, I TRULY IS. AND I LIKE FOR INSTANCE, MODOC COUNTY LIKE $0. AND GIVEN THEY HAVE VERY FEW, IF ANY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY HAVE A FARMERS MARKET, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THEY STILL HAVE GROWERS POTENTIALLY GET A CPC THAT COULD SELL AT A LASSEN COUNTY OR SHASTA COUNTY MARKET. BUT EVEN BUTTE COUNTY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I THINK THAT IS OUT THERE REVIEWING THEIR FEES. AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THEY LAND ON $81 FOR A FARMERS MARKET? YOU KNOW, REGISTRATION? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY, IT TAKES TIME TO DO THAT. THEY'RE NOT GETTING FULL COST RECOVERY EITHER FOR THAT $81. I CAN GUARANTEE THAT BECAUSE LOOKING AT MY NUMBERS AND LOOKING AT THEIR NUMBERS SO IT IS WILD ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THEN YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH AND IT GETS EVEN WILDER. I MEAN, SO LA COUNTY IS STARTING TO RECOVER MORE OF THEIR FEES, BUT THEY HAVE A TON OF MARKETS AND IT TAKES A TON OF TIME TO DO THOSE INSPECTIONS. SO THEY HAVE LIKE STAFF THAT ARE DEDICATED TO FARMERS MARKETS IN L.A. COUNTY. AND I AND I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S SOMEWHAT LIKE DEVELOPER FEES OR SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF FEES WHERE THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED THAT YOU CAN'T JUST CHARGE WHATEVER YOU WANT. IT HAS TO BE REASONABLE, AND IT HAS TO BE JUSTIFIABLE AND TIED TO THE COST OF THE SERVICE. IS THAT PROCESS BEING DONE HERE? AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS ORIGINALLY SAYING, WELL, WHY DOES IT COST SO MUCH MORE IN BUTTE COUNTY THAN IT DOES SHASTA COUNTY? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. BUT SO WE ARE THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE'RE NOT GETTING FULL COST RECOVERY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. WE'VE JUST ARBITRARILY SET THESE FEES AT WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY TO RECOVER SOME OF THE COSTS OF DOING THE WORK. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO FULL COST RECOVERY FOR DOING THE WORK. NOT EVEN CLOSE. OKAY. SO THIS IS A PARTIAL PARTIAL RECOVERY. COMPLETE PARTIAL. IT HELPS PROCESS THE PAPERWORK. IT'S A NOMINAL FEE FOR THESE GROWERS TO PARTICIPATE IN A CERTIFIED FARMERS MARKET. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE BEGINNING, WHEN I WAS TELLING YOU, I MEAN ULTIMATELY, LET'S SEE HERE. YEAH. THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND IMPACT $13,000 VERSUS $8,000 IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING BACK AFTER OUR UBT IS REIMBURSED. SO THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FULL FEES. OKAY. NOLA, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS? I DID, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IN THE DISCREPANCIES IS THAT IT'S UP TO EACH BOARD. AND SO YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, AS WE HAVE HERE TODAY, YOU CAN HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THE FARMER'S MARKET IF I HAVE TO PAY $50 OR 75. AND SO THEN THE FARMER'S MARKET GOES AWAY. AND SO THEN THE BOARD DECIDES THERE'S A PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND THEY WANT TO SPEND GENERAL FUND DOLLARS TO DO THAT. AND SO THAT'S HAPPENING AT DIFFERENT LEVELS AT THESE DEPARTMENTS OR AND SOME OF THEM, THEY'RE SAYING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE IT AT ALL. AND THE GENERAL FUND IS GOING TO PAY ALL OF IT, BECAUSE THERE'S THIS KIND OF UNITED PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR FARMER'S MARKET. IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THESE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN ALL THE CHARTS ARE CONSERVATIVE RECOVERY AND FOR THE OTHER COUNTIES, WELL, FOR FOR EVEN FOR SHASTA COUNTY THAT THESE ARE CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES. AND BECAUSE JOHN WAS SAYING THAT IT'S NOT A COMPLETE COST RECOVERY, WE'RE JUST GETTING A PORTION BACK OF, OF. SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YEAH, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR CURRENT RATES ON THE RATE LISTING, WE SHOW ACTUAL COSTS. SO YOU CAN SEE ACTUAL COST AS COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD FOR TODAY. SO THAT THAT IS ON THERE. I THINK JOHN ALSO HAS THAT IN HIS MEMO. IF YOU'RE ASKING ME ABOUT OTHER COUNTIES AND WHETHER THEY'RE REPRESENTING ACTUAL COSTS, I WOULD TELL YOU, BASED ON OUR STUDIES, THOSE ARE NOT ACTUAL COSTS. BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW THEIR BOARD ARRIVED AT THE FEE THAT THEY'RE CHARGING IN THOSE COUNTIES BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO THE SIMILAR SERVICE. SO BUT OURS, OURS ARE ACTUAL COSTS. OURS ARE ACTUAL COSTS, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR A LESSER FEE. SO THE ACTUAL COST FOR OH, YOU HAVE IT HERE. YEAH. SO THE ACTUAL COST FOR CPC IS 28579. WE'RE ASKING FOR $20 TO SET THE FEE AT 20. AND THEN FOR A MODIFICATION. YEAH. CPC MODIFICATION, THE ACTUAL COST TO DO THAT IS 1386. WE'RE ASKING FOR $5 FOR CFM. THE ACTUAL COST IS 709.75. AND AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR 50. SO AND THEN BASED ON THE NUMBER OF THOSE THAT THEY ISSUE IN A YEAR, THAT'S WHERE THAT $8,000 FIGURE COMES FROM BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT 42 OF THOSE IN A YEAR. AND SO HE'S DONE ALL THE MATH FOR YOU TO DETERMINE, IS IT SAFE TO SAY THIS IS LARGELY SUBSIDIZED? YES. ALREADY? YES. IN MOST COUNTIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE THING, JOHN, THIS IS YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT SURE IF MODOC EVEN HAS A FARMERS MARKET. SO BUT THE FLIP SIDE WOULD BE YOU'RE NOT EVEN SURE IF A THOUSAND PEOPLE COME ACROSS THE OREGON BORDER AND GO TO THAT FARMER'S MARKET. IS THAT IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST DON'T KNOW. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A MARKET IN ALTURAS, BUT IT'S SO THE GROWING SEASON THERE IS SO SMALL, LIKE SELLING A VEGETABLE IN MODOC COUNTY. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE HE GOES FOR THE SOAP. IT'S NOT THE VEGETABLE. YEAH. SO YEAH. SO THEN HE BROUGHT THAT UP TWICE. MAYBE IT'S A SOAP MARKET AND HE SMELLS FANTASTIC. YEAH. [03:50:02] WELL, THERE WE GO. SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. DO YOU KNOW HOW OUR COSTS HAVE INCREASED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO? HOW THEY HAVE INCREASED? I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE INCREASE. OH, YEAH. NO, I MEAN, JUST SALARIES AND BENEFITS. I'VE ALWAYS I'VE ALWAYS SPOKE TO MY PREDECESSORS. IT'S AMAZING COUNTY GOVERNMENT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE INCREMENTALLY, RIGHT? ANNUALLY WE LOOK AT OUR ANNUAL BUDGETS, OUR BUDGET, THE AG DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WAS FAR LESS THAN IT WAS NOW. AND IT'S JUST EVERYTHING IS INCREMENTALLY GOING UP. SO I GET THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CHARGE OUR FULL COST IN THIS SCENARIO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE SUCH A DRAMATIC INCREASE AND WOULD POTENTIALLY DISSUADE BOTH PRODUCERS AND ORGANIZERS OF MARKETS. BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT WE SHOULD INCREASE OUR FEES SOME, YOU KNOW, INFLATIONARY RATE TO AT LEAST KIND OF TRACK WITH COSTS AND NOT JUST FIX THEM THERE. 17 YEARS LATER, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED IS EVEN JUST A SMALL INCREASE? YOU KNOW, I THAT IS TOTALLY THE BOARD'S DISCRETION. I HAVE NOT HAD PREVIOUS BOARDS HAVE NEVER REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME FOCUSED ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT AGAIN, BUT IT IS GENERAL FUND DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE MAKING UP THE DIFFERENCE. BUT IT JUST, IT IS SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT, BUT GOING UP AND THAT'S THE QUESTION TOO. I'VE OFTEN HAD ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, WE CHARGE $20 CURRENTLY FOR A CPC CERTIFICATE. YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE CHARGE $50? WELL, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS CHARGING $20 IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL A LONG WAYS FROM FULL COST RECOVERY. AND I'M STILL GOING THROUGH ALL THE PROCESSES AT WHICH IT TAKES TO PROCESS THAT DEPOSIT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS A TOUGH THAT'S A TOUGH ONE TO SET ON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD THE FEE BE IF IT'S NOT FULL COST RECOVERY? RIGHT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, IT IS NEGLIGIBLE IN THE BROADER PICTURE. BUT I THINK THERE'S BOTH OTHER FEES AND, YOU KNOW, THE MENTALITY THAT IDEALLY WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SUSTAINABLE OPERATIONS. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SAY, OH, IF OUR COSTS INCREASE 5% FROM LAST YEAR BASED ON THE LAST TIME WE DID THE STUDY, LET'S IT ATTACH THAT HERE. I WOULD ASK FROM A MARKET RATE STANDPOINT, DO YOU THINK A 5% INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD WITH THESE THREE FEES WOULD BE COMPLETELY DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROVIDERS OF THESE SERVICES? I THINK IF YOU WERE TO ASK THE FARMERS, THEY WOULD THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE NOMINAL FEE. I'VE TALKED TO MANY OF THEM. 5% WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE A DEAL BREAKER FOR THEM. BUT THEN AGAIN, I LOOK AT LIKE 5% ON $20. THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH. SO IT'S JUST THAT'S JUST INCREMENTALLY MORE. YES FOR THEM, BUT IT DOESN'T IT GETS ME SUPER INCREMENTALLY CLOSER TO MY FULL COST RECOVERY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IT'S RIGHT. AND I, I GET YOUR POINT KIND OF PHILOSOPHICALLY. MY POINT PHILOSOPHICALLY THOUGH, WOULD BE THAT IF WE JUST HOLD THAT LINE FOR 20 YEARS AND THEN 30 YEARS, THAT WE'LL JUST GET FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND. AND SO JUST BEING IN THE PATTERN OF INCREASING IT AS OUR COSTS ARE INCREASING SEEMS LIKE A CONSISTENT KIND OF MESSAGE TO SEND TO FOLKS IS, OKAY, IT'S BECOMING MORE EXPENSIVE FOR US TO DO THIS. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO GOUGE YOU ON THIS AND EVEN COVER OUR FULL COST, BUT WE ARE GOING, THERE ARE GOING TO BE INCREASES AS EVERYTHING ELSE IS INCREASING IN PRICE AS WELL. AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I MEAN, THE CLOSEST NEARBY COUNTY, BUTTE COUNTY, I THINK THEY'RE FOLLOWING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THAT BECAUSE THEIR FEES HAVE INCREMENTALLY JUST INCREASED. YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THEM ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR COMPARISON, AND THE LAST TIME I COMPARED IT, THEY HAVE GONE UP SINCE I LOOKED AT THEM LAST. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY DOING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. THAT'S HOW THEY LANDED ON THEIR $81 FOR A CFM REGISTRATION. HOW DID THEY GET THERE? I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT IT HAS TO BE INCREMENTAL, GUARANTEED. IT'S NOT FULL COST RECOVERY FOR THEM EITHER. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF MATH WIZARD. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. I DON'T THINK A 5% INCREASE WOULD COVER THE COST OF THE INCREASE. I MEAN, AFTER YOU'VE CHANGED ALL YOUR FORMS AND YOU CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE AND YOU CHANGE YOUR NOTIFICATIONS AND YOU CHANGE ALL YOUR STUFF, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU 5% JUST TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT YOU'VE RAISED THE PRICE 5%. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER DIFFICULT THING. YEAH. BECAUSE THEN WE GET CHECKS, PEOPLE COMING IN AND THEY. RIGHT. AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WE HAVE TO RETURN THE CHECK. I MEAN, IT IS LIKE THE WHOLE INCREASING FEES IS CRAZY AS THAT SOUNDS. IT IS. IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR THAT 5%. I MEAN, BUT I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING. I MEAN, THEN IT'S LIKE THEN LIKE, WE'LL BE JUST $20 FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES. PROBABLY NOT. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S. WELL, THEN, YEAH, WE BASICALLY HAVE TWO OTHER OPTIONS, RIGHT? THEN WE JUST KEEP THE SAME REALLY LOW RATE FOR EVER, SO TO SPEAK, OR WE MAKE DRAMATIC INCREASES, WHICH THEN GET A LOT OF RESISTANCE. AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, WHY ARE YOU GOING FROM 20 TO 250? AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE HAVEN'T INCREASED IT IN 30 YEARS. AND THEY TRIED THAT IN 2000, I THINK 2021. THEY TRIED THAT EXACT THING. I MEAN, RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING THERE [03:55:01] AND SAID, HEY, THE NEW FEE IS INSTEAD OF $20, IT'S 285. AND I MEAN, EVERY PERSON THAT SOLD AT A FARMERS MARKET WAS UP IN ARMS. AND THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO MORE FARMERS MARKETS AT THAT POINT. SO AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID. EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, AT THE KIND OF INCREMENTAL LEVEL, SURE, IT KIND OF ADDS A BIT OF FRICTION IN THE SYSTEM TO, TO UPDATE IT, BUT IT AT LEAST CAUSES US TO BE TRACKING AND MOVING TOWARDS THAT. SO MY, MY QUESTION, JOHN, IS, AND I THINK IT WAS EXPLAINED I WAS AT THE MEETING AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EARLY 2022 OR LATE 2021 BEING MORE GOING OVER THIS NOW IS PROBABLY LIKE 2021, BUT I WAS AT THAT FEE AND AT THAT MEETING AND IT WAS LIKE, HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET TO $285? I MEAN, HOW MANY STEPS HAS THIS GOT TO GO THROUGH TO GET TO $285? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO ULTIMATELY, IT IS BASED OFF OF ISSUING THE CERTIFICATE. AND A LOT OF THEM WE HAVE RENEWALS. SO THAT'S A STATUS QUO PROJECT. SO THE REAL FEE COMES INTO PLACE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE ON SITE GROWING GROUNDS INSPECTION. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE SHASTA COUNTY IS BROAD. I HAVE STAFF GOING OUT IN A VEHICLE SPENDING GAS TIME AND MONEY TO GET TO THAT LOCATION. THEY'RE THERE FOR A WHILE, WALKING AROUND ON THOSE GROWING GROUNDS, VERIFYING PRODUCTION AND THEN COMING BACK TO THE OFFICE. AND THAT'S MORE FOR ORGANICS THAN ANYTHING ELSE, ISN'T IT? NO, THAT'S NO, THAT'S FOR FARMERS. THAT'S FOR FARMERS MARKET. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE THE BRUNT OF THAT CPC COST IS. IT WAS TRAVELING AND GOING TO DO THOSE GROWING GROUNDS INSPECTIONS. AND IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME THE RISK AT THAT TIME WAS, YOU KNOW, I COULD GO TO WALMART AND BUY A BOX OF APPLES AND THEN THROW THEM IN SOME BAGS, SOME CUTE LITTLE BAGS AND SAY, OH, LOOK, THESE ARE MY HOME GROWN APPLES. AND, YOU KNOW, AND TO ME, I DON'T KNOW AT THE TIME, I REMEMBER MY MY COMMENT TO, I BELIEVE WAS PAUL HILLMAN WAS LIKE, THAT'S CALLED BUYER BEWARE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY. IF I THINK I'M BUYING APPLES FROM, YOU KNOW, OLD GRANDMA GRANNY SMITH AND THEY'RE COMING FROM COSTCO. WELL, THEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE DILIGENT, I GUESS. AND IF APPLES TASTES GOOD, WHO CARES? SHE SELLS SOAP, TOO. SHE MIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE IS. I WAS GOING TO ASK, IS THERE ANY ABILITY. SO YOU HAVE TO GO IN THE FIELD FOR THAT. IS THERE ANY OPTION TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN BRING UP SOME OF THEIR STUFF TO YOU WHERE THERE'S NO TRAVEL AND THERE WOULD BE NO TIME OUT OF OFFICE WHERE BECAUSE I JUST HAVE A REALLY HARD, HARD TIME WITH MORE GOVERNMENT REGULATION, MORE FEES. AND I DON'T I THINK IT JUST CRUSHES BUSINESS. RIGHT. SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY DUG INTO A CODE SECTION THAT IS FOR THE GROWING GROUNDS INSPECTION ASPECT OF IT. IT'S ULTIMATELY UPON ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE TO A NEW CERTIFIED PRODUCER IS WHEN THE GROWING GROUNDS KICKS IN. I GOT CLARIFICATION FROM CDFA BECAUSE IN SHASTA COUNTY, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN WHAT? YOU'RE RENEWING IT. YOU'RE GETTING A NEW CERTIFICATE, GROWING GROUNDS INSPECTION. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE INTENT IS OF THAT CODE SECTION READING. SO WE, WE ARE DECREASING OUR NUMBER OF GROWING GROUNDS INSPECTIONS. SO NEXT YEAR, WHEN I'M STANDING HERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, THAT FULL COST RECOVERY OF $285 IS GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO DO FAR LESS GROWING GROUNDS INSPECTIONS BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR PRODUCERS, THOSE 32 ISSUED CPC HOLDERS, I'D SAY 2 OR 3 OF THOSE WERE NEW THIS YEAR. SO THOSE ARE A LOT OF RENEWALS, AND WE KNOW THEM. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR PROBABLY MORE THAN WE NEEDED TO AT THIS POINT. SO NOW WE'LL BE DOING FAR LESS GROWING GROUND INSPECTIONS. UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A COMPLAINT OR CONCERN, THEN WE'LL BE GOING OUT AND DOING THOSE GROWING GROUNDS. BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO THAT NUMBER WILL DECREASE AS FAR AS GROWING GROUND INSPECTIONS. KIND OF HARD TO DO THAT OFF SITE. I MEAN, WE HAVE VIRTUAL I GUESS SOMEBODY COULD GO AROUND IN THEIR YARD AND, YOU KNOW, SHOW ME THE SQUASH FROM A DISTANCE. IDEALLY IT'S JUST BEST TO GO TO THEIR LOCATION. A LOT OF TIMES WE TRY TO TEAM THAT UP WITH OTHER SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE WITH PESTICIDE USE ENFORCEMENT AND TRY TO DO A ONE TWO PUNCH. SO THEY'RE NOT STUCK WITH, YOU KNOW, DIRECT MARKETING STUCK WITH THAT WHOLE BILL. OKAY. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE THE ORDER OF SEQUENCE HERE, BUT I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INCREASE THESE THREE FEES BY 5% EACH. IT'S GOING TO COST US AS MUCH AS THE 5% IS GOING TO GAIN US. SO HOLD ON BEFORE IS THERE IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? HOLD ON. WELL, WE HAVE THERE'S A MOTION WE CAN'T SAY. HOLD ON. WAIT A MINUTE. WELL, I WANT TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT HIS MOTION. OKAY. SO. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. SO IN BACKING UP TO WHAT HE WAS, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CAUSE YOU TO HAVE TO WRITE REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS OR SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE. SO IS THERE A TIME FRAME THAT DOES WORK IN YOUR, IN YOUR VIEW, TO DO THE MINIMAL INCREASE, BUT DO IT TWO YEARS FROM NOW. SO YOU SET IT UP. THERE'S NO REAL COST REIMBURSEMENT NOW. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO ISSUE A REFUND TO ANYBODY AT THIS POINT. THESE FEES ARE GOING IN EFFECT IN 60 DAYS. [04:00:02] SO SOMEBODY NEW IN 60 DAYS COMES IN AND GETS A CERTIFICATE. IT'S GOING TO BE 5% HIGHER. AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE MENTIONED, ISSUING IT YOU KNOW, UPDATE OUR FORMS, MAKE SURE THAT ALL OUR WEBSITE AND ALL OUR PARAPHERNALIA, THE OTHER PROBLEM IS KIND OF LIKE OUR OLD LOCATION. WE WERE AT BECHELLI LANE FOR 40 YEARS. WILL THIS FEES BEEN CHARGED FOR 40 YEARS? SO EVERYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER IS GOING TO THINK IT'S $20 FOR A LONG TIME UNTIL, YOU KNOW, YOU RIP THE BAND AID OFF. NOW THEY'RE NO LONGER GOING TO BE CHERRY LANE. THEY'RE GOING TO REDWOOD. NOW THAT THERE'S CPC, FEE IS NO LONGER $20. IT'S 22 SOMETHING. SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GO WITH THAT. SORRY, I WASN'T TRYING TO DO AN END RUN ON YOU. I WAS JUST I WAS JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT ALLOWS TO DO A, A MINIMAL INCREASE. SO IN TEN YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE NOT STILL DOING WOULD IT BE SUPERVISOR LONG? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO. THERE WE GO. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO DO IT LIKE, LIKE, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS LIKE EVERY TEN YEARS AND THEN ADJUST IT UP. AND SO YOU'RE NOT DOING IT ANNUALLY, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP IT UP WITH THE COST OF LIVING. IS THAT WHAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF SUGGESTING SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE WHERE WE'RE NOT CAUSING A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S RIDICULOUS BECAUSE IT'S COSTING US MORE MONEY TO, TO MAKE THE CHANGES, MAKE THE CHANGES DOWN THE ROAD, BUT SET IT UP, I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT. SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT EVERY YEAR WE BRING FORWARD FEES AND THEY ALL HAVE THESE MINOR INCREMENTAL INCREASES. THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. AND SO THIS IS JUST THREE OF THEIR FEES. THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF OTHER FEES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO AS WELL. AND SO COMMUNICATING THOSE IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT PROCESS. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE TRUE FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERY COUNTY DEPARTMENT. THIS IS ONE OF HOW MANY DEPARTMENTS TODAY. ONE OF A LOT. ONE OF A LOT. SO CEO RICKERT, DID YOU HAVE YOU'RE IN QUEUE I SAW. GO AHEAD AND PUSH THE BUTTON. YES MR. CHAIRMAN. WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO DO, IF WE'RE ABLE, CAN WE BOUNCE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING? I REALLY WANT TO SIT DOWN AND COME UP WITH STAFF RECOMMENDED FEES RATHER THAN RAISING THESE FEES. A DOLLAR DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE TO RAISE THE FEE A DOLLAR THAN WE'RE GOING TO GENERATE. IT'S JUST GOING TO RAISE A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH STAFF, WITH CUSTOMERS. IT WOULD BE NONPRODUCTIVE. IS THAT? ARE YOU ASKING FOR THIS WHOLE HEARING OR JUST THIS ONE ITEM OR. FOR THIS DEPARTMENT'S FEES, I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. I MEAN, IS THAT MISS SHORT? COULD YOU COME BACK UP AND. JOHN, THAT'S A FANTASTIC TIE, BY THE WAY. TWO MEETINGS IN A ROW. MAN, YOU NAILED IT. MISS SHAW, I KNOW THIS IS ON. AND ANYWAY, IS THAT WOULD NOT BE MY RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE FEES, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM THAT ARE GOING UP BY A DOLLAR OR $3 OR $2. I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE NORMAL FEE PROCESS. SO I THINK IT'S JUST A JUDGMENT CALL TO, YOU KNOW, WAIVE THAT UNTIL NEXT YEAR AND LEAVE IT AT 20 THIS YEAR. AND YOU CAN SPEND THE NEXT YEAR ADVISING PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INFLATIONARY FACTOR ON IT. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT FEES GO UP INCREMENTALLY EACH YEAR IS PART OF THE NORMAL PROCESS. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FEES THAT I THINK THE BIGGER CONVERSATION IS, HOW DO WE ELIMINATE AS MANY FEES OR STEPS IN THE PROCESS TO MAKE IT CHEAPER AND CHEAPER. THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE IT TO SEE. BUT THANK YOU. CEO RICKERT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION BY SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. IS THERE A SECOND. NOT HEARING NONE. THAT MOTION FAILS. I WOULD ASK, DO YOU NEED ACTUALLY LET ME ASK YOU THIS MISS GOLDSMITH, DO WE TAKE DO WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EACH DEPARTMENT OR IS IT JUST FOR THE WHOLE HEARING IN ITS ENTIRETY? YOU WOULD BE TAKING COMMENT FOR THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE. THEY COULD THEY COULD SPEAK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE FEES THEY WANT TO DURING THEIR PUBLIC. JUST JUST FOR THE SPIRIT OF TIME AT THIS POINT. MR. INGRAM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN, CAN I BRING UP IN THE HEARING PART? BECAUSE I KNOW WE WE HAVEN'T HAD I DON'T THINK IN THE TWO YEARS I'VE DONE THIS, HAD MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS LIKE THIS IN A HEARING AND THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT. COULD I CAN I TAKE THOSE NOW JUST SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, GET BACK TO WORK, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT? OR DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE PRESENTED. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN INTENTION THAT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ARE NECESSARILY GOING TO PRESENT. THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS. GOT IT. I JUST SINCE THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE AND HE CAME UP, I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE NORM. I THINK THERE'S TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE REQUESTING TO NOT CHARGE FOR FULL COST RECOVERY. AND SO THAT WAS THIS ONE. AND THEN THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT. SO ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD, MISS SHORT. OKAY. SO THE OTHER ONE THAT BROUGHT FORTH, I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. AND ALTHOUGH HE AGREED WITH THE WAY THAT THE FEES WERE CALCULATED AND THAT THOSE ARE THE COSTS CURRENTLY HE, YOU KNOW, WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DEVELOP SOME EFFICIENCIES IN THE DEPARTMENT AND TO BE ABLE TO AFFECT THOSE FEES AND MAKE THEM LESS. [04:05:04] HE'S AGREED THAT HE'LL DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. SO HE'LL BRING BACK HIS FEES LATER ON. BUT THERE WAS ONE THAT HE WAS PARTICULARLY CONCERNED WITH, WHICH WAS THE PASSPORT PHOTO FEE. AND SO HE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF PLACES THAT ARE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. SO HE DIDN'T COMPARE IT TO OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, WHICH I THINK IS NOT PROBABLY A FAIR COMPARISON, BUT THEY RANGED FROM 15 TO $20. AND SO THEIR FEE IS GOING FROM 22 TO 35. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, MAKES UP THAT FEE NECESSARILY. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT IT COSTS MORE FOR THE COUNTY TO DO IT THAN IT DOES FOR THESE OTHER AGENCIES TO DO IT BECAUSE WE HAVE INSURANCE. AND I MEAN, WE HAVE A RETIREMENT AND WE PAY HIGHER THAN YOU IF YOU WORK AT WALGREENS. AND SO IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT THE COST IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO TAKE. HIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO LEAVE IT AT LAST YEAR'S RATE UNTIL HE HAS A CHANCE TO LOOK AT EFFICIENCIES IN THE DEPARTMENT. SO HE'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT AT $22 INSTEAD OF RAISING IT TO 35. AND THEN HE MAY BE BRINGING BACK OTHER FEES THAT DID HAVE A SMALL INCREASE TO DETERMINE IF HE CAN DEVELOP SOME EFFICIENCIES. BUT THE COSTS ARE ACCURATELY REFLECTED AS THOSE FUNCTIONS ARE BEING DONE RIGHT NOW. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. IS THAT FROM BEFORE? ALL RIGHT. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. I WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE OPPOSITE REASONING, WHICH WOULD BE THAT IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS PROVIDING THIS SERVICE MORE CHEAPLY, THAT WE SHOULD CHARGE WHAT OUR COSTS ARE. AND THEN IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND GET IT CHEAPER, THEY SHOULD DO THAT. AND THEN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDES LESS OF THIS SERVICE, WHICH I THINK IS IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT CAN BE DONE MORE EFFICIENTLY OUTSIDE OF HERE, LET'S HAVE THAT HAPPEN. SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE THIS PROPOSED REDUCED FEE. I WANT TO PUT THAT IN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE $35 FEE FOR THE PASSPORT PHOTO. I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF THAT. THE $35 FEE. HOW WAS THAT ESTABLISHED AS BEING A TRUE COST FOR ELECTIONS. SO EVERY DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY CALCULATE A FEE, THEY HAVE TO TIME STUDY. SO THEY HAVE TO RECORD THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT STAFF SPEND ON THAT FUNCTION. FUNCTION. THEY HAVE TO ACCUMULATE SALARIES AND BENEFITS IF THERE'S ANY HARD COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO THEY FILL OUT A WORKSHEET FOR EACH FEE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED. AND THEN THOSE WORKSHEETS ARE WHAT ARE ON FILE IN OUR OFFICE FOR THE PUBLIC TO VIEW PRIOR TO THIS HEARING. AND SO THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF COSTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT, THAT, THAT THEY SUPPORT. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE NOT AUDITING THESE FEES. SO THIS IS I BROUGHT A PRESENTATION JUST NOT TOO LONG AGO AND LET PEOPLE KNOW. SO WE'RE SELECTING, WE ARE NOW SELECTING LIKE FIVE OF THESE AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH THEM WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB, FINE TOOTH COMB. BUT BUT I DO HAVE THEIR WORKSHEET HERE IF YOU WANT TO. WELL THAT, THAT IS A WORKSHEET THAT THEY CAME UP WITH INTERNALLY THAT PUTS, PUTS THE COST AT $35 AT THIS POINT. YEAH. OKAY. I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND. DID YOU SAY THAT, THE ROV WAS GOING TO COME BACK WITH WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS FEE. HE HE'S GOING TO COME BACK. HE, WHAT HE WANTED TO DO WAS LIKE NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ANY FEES. AND, BUT THEN SOME OF THEM ARE ALSO GOING DOWN. AND SO THE ONES THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING DOWN WERE OBLIGATED TO BRING THOSE AND REDUCE THOSE COSTS BECAUSE IT'S I THINK HE KIND OF WANTED TO HOLD THE WHOLE PROCESS AND JUST BRING EVERYTHING BACK LATER. AND SO WE KIND OF SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU AGREE THAT THE CALCULATIONS ARE CORRECT, WE NEED TO PRESENT THEM SO WE CAN REDUCE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING DOWN. AND YOU ALSO WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE HEARING TO SPEAK AND MAKE YOUR CASE FOR WHY YOU WANT TO HOLD ALL YOUR OTHER FEES AT, AT THE LAST YEAR'S RATE. SO HE HAD AN APPOINTMENT. HE'S NOT ABLE TO DO THAT TODAY, BUT WE COULD BRING THIS BACK AND HE COULD DO IT HIMSELF. YEAH, YEAH. AT ANY POINT IN TIME HE CAN WORK WITH OUR WE CAN HELP HIM DRAFT A THING. WE CAN COME BACK WITH FEES, AND HE CAN MAKE A CASE FOR WHY HE WANTS TO REDUCE ANY OF THE FEES. OKAY. YEP. DEPARTMENTS ARE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO DO THAT. PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM RUN HIS OWN DEPARTMENT. SO I MEAN, I WOULD MAKE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION THAT WE'LL, IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, WILL DEFER IT UNTIL HE IS ABLE TO COME BACK AND PRESENT HIS CASE. I'D SECOND THAT. SO, COUNSEL LARMER, I KNOW WE HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WE JUST MOVE THROUGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT ACTIONS, MISS SMITH OR NO, SHE'S NOT THERE. MISS BLANKENSHIP YEAH. YOU NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. IT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION THAT YOU, ON THIS INSTANCE, THAT YOU MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AND THEN STATE THE CHANGES THAT THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE TO WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED. OKAY. IS THERE IS THERE MORE YOU WERE GOING TO ADD? NO, NO, THAT'S ALL OF THEM. SO WE WOULD ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE CHANGES TO JUST THE THREE FEES FOR AG. AND THEN THIS FEE AS YOU AS THE BOARD SO DIRECTS. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AS STATED WITH THE EXCEPTIONS. IS THAT CLEAR AS MUD FOR YOU, STEPHANIE, OR IS THAT GOOD OR DOES HE HAVE TO [04:10:02] STATE THEM? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE EXCEPTIONS? ARE YOU SAYING. WELL, SHE SHE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ELECTIONS AND A COUPLE AG FEES. SO EVERYTHING ELSE I WOULD SAY YES. I DON'T I DON'T THINK SHE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE AG FEES. SO WHAT I WOULD DO IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION OF THE AG FEES AND THE THE CLERK RECORDER'S OFFICE, THEN YOU CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE THOSE TWO. YEAH. AND I WOULD JUST SAY, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE FOR THOSE FOUR FEES, JUST BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT YOUR FINAL DECISION IS. AND THEN JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT WILL BE USED GENERAL FUND TO COVER THE COST OF THOSE. AND WHEN WOULD THAT PROCESS BE THEN THE SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION ON THOSE EXCEPTIONS, IF WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, BE PART OF YOUR MOTION, OR YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL STAFF BRINGS IT BACK. OKAY. I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AND THAT WE HAVE STAFF BRING BACK THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED. WITH THE NEEDS TO BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH WITH THE AG FEES AND THE ELECTION PASSPORT PHOTO. WOULD YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION TO HAVE THOSE COME BACK WITHIN 30 DAYS? SURE. LET'S JUST PUT A TIME LIMIT ON IT. OKAY. COUNSEL LARMER DOES THAT WORK? THAT'S FINE. OKAY. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. SO. AND SUPERVISOR. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IN TERMS OF THE BRINGING BACK TO ME. YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE ONES THAT ARE UNRELATED TO THESE TWO DEPARTMENTS. AND THEN FOR THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR ANY, I WOULD I WOULD WANT TO ADOPT THE COST, THE FULL COST RECOVERY FOR ALL OF THEM, AND SOME THAT WILL BE LESS, SOME THAT WILL BE MORE, INCLUDING THE PASSPORT PHOTO. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL OF THOSE. THERE'S THREE FOR AG, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. AND AND HE'S HERE TO SPEAK ON THOSE TODAY. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NOT TO KICK THAT DOWN THE ROAD IF WE DON'T HAVE A REASON TO, BUT FOR THE FOR THE CLERK, IT'S JUST THE ONE PASSPORT PHOTO. OKAY. JUST THE ONE. YEAH. OKAY. SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AND WITH THE ONE CHANGE THAT WE MAKE, THE PASSPORT PHOTO, THE $35 RATHER THAN THE 22, AND WE JUST FINISH IT. AND THEN IF ROV CURTIS WANTS TO COME BACK AND CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT HE HAS LOWER COSTS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THAT HE COULD DO THAT. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THAT AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR PREVIOUS MOTION, OR IS THAT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE AN ORIGINAL MOTION. YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO INCREASE THE COUNTY CLERK FEE FOR PASSPORTS TO $35. SO I'LL AMEND IT TO BE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AND DO THIS WITH THE PASSPORT FEE. WHEN YOU SAY DO THIS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YES, SIR. SORRY THAT WE WOULD USE THE $35 FOR THE PASSPORT FEE. THE ORDINANCE HAS $35. SO THE ORDINANCE COMES TO YOU IN ACCORDANCE WITH COUNTY POLICY. POLICY WHICH SAYS FULL COST RECOVERY. SO IN THE ORDINANCE IT'S ALL THE FULL COST. FEES. AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT. ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE THAT WE NEED TO. REDUCE, WHICH WOULD BE THE THREE FEES NEED TO BE REDUCED. AND THEN IF YOU DECIDE TO HOLD THE. PASSPORT PHOTO FEE AT LAST YEAR'S RATE, YOU WOULD NEED TO SPECIFY THAT ALSO. OKAY, I THINK I UNDERSTAND NOW. I'LL MAKE AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE THREE FEES WHICH WE WILL DO, THE. 20 WHAT WAS THE MIDDLE ONE, FIVE AND EIGHT AND 50. AND THAT'S IT. ORDINANCE. NOW THAT'S SHE SO I BELIEVE. NO. YOU WERE SAYING THAT THOSE FEES ARE NOT REDUCED. FEES ARE NOT IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN FULL COST RECOVERY. OKAY. SO THE BOARD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN WAIVE 2-202 AND SAY, OKAY, FOR THOSE THREE FEES, WE'LL CHARGE A LESSER FEE. SO I THINK YOU'RE SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. I THINK YOUR MOTION WOULD BE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU AGREE TO THE REDUCTION OF FEES IN HIS DEPARTMENT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND THAT YOU WANT FULL COST RECOVERY IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR THE PHOTOS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FULL COST RECOVERY IS ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S OKAY TOO, RIGHT? OKAY. AND I WOULD I WOULD SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT PORTION SO THAT I WOULD SECOND THAT. SO ARE YOU GOING TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION THEN THAT YOU ORIGINALLY MADE FOR THE CLERK? WELL, HE'S HE MADE A SUBSTITUTE. SO WE'LL VOTE ON THAT FIRST, I GUESS. RIGHT. YEAH. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE SECONDED IT. YEAH. SO UNDER LET'S TAKE LET'S TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. MISS BLANKENSHIP, MISS SHORT? ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY. DON'T GO TOO FAR. [04:15:01] OKAY. FIRST UP, LAURA HOBBS, FOLLOWED BY TOM AMES, FOLLOWED BY MARY OCCASION AND THEN TRACY KINGSBURY. SO WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS. SO THREE MINUTES BEFORE, BEFORE OUR SPEAKERS TALK, I WOULD JUST I WANT TO THANK ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR YOUR DILIGENT WORK, ALONG WITH ALL THE SHORT IN TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO STREAMLINE. AND I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY FOUND A LOT OF AREAS TO ACTUALLY CHARGE LESS THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN CHARGING. AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH TO NOT HAVE THESE FEES, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DAY. MISS HOBBS, COME ON UP. STEWARDSHIP. GOOD AFTERNOON. BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. MICROMANAGING THE ELECTIONS OFFICE IS NOT REALLY A GOOD LOOK, AND I'VE SEEN THIS IN OTHER SITUATIONS AS WELL. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU THINK THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS OR DOES NOT NEED. PREVIOUSLY THIS PREVIOUS BOARDS, I SHOULD SAY, HAVE NOT TAKEN THAT KIND OF MICROMANAGING APPROACH. THEY'VE LET EACH DEPARTMENT CONTROL THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT AND INCREASING TAXES AND FEES IS ALSO NOT A GOOD LOOK. A FEE WITHOUT A PROPORTIONATE SERVICE RENDERED IS NOTHING OTHER THAN A TAX. WE DON'T WANT MORE TAXES. AND I CAN GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. IN THE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT, VOTER ROLLS COST $40. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CANDIDATES NEED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ORDINARY CITIZENS NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH THE ROLLS AND SEE IF THERE'S DEAD PEOPLE ON THE VOTER ROLLS, PEOPLE WHO MOVED OUT OF COUNTY, PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. $40 WAS A REASONABLE FEE. BUT WHAT JOANNA FRANCESCA DID IS SHE DOUBLED THAT, AND NOW IT COSTS MORE LIKE $100 TO GET AHOLD OF A VOTER ROLL. AND YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY NOT JUST LOOK AT THE VOTER ROLL ONCE. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT OVER TIME. SO IF YOU'RE A CANDIDATE, YOU'LL NEED TO ORDER THAT VOTER ROLL THREE, FOUR, MAYBE FIVE TIMES. YOU HAVE AN ACCURATE ROLL REALLY WITHIN THE FEES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. JUST REALLY CLEAR. SO I YEAH, I SUGGEST THAT WE DO NOT INCREASE THE FEES IN THE ELECTION DEPARTMENT. I KNOW YOU MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE REGISTRAR VOTER ASPECT, THE PASSPORTS AND WHATNOT, BUT WHEN THIS COMES UP AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT YOU ACTUALLY REDUCE SOME OF THOSE FEES THAT ARE THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE TO PAY IN ORDER TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR ELECTION DEPARTMENT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UP NEXT IS TOM REAMES AND THEN MARY OCASION. WELCOME. MY NAME IS TOM REAMES. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE AG FEES. THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER. THERE'S KIND OF A UNIVERSAL RULE OUT THERE THAT WHATEVER YOU SUBSIDIZE, YOU GET MORE OF. WE WANT TO HAVE MORE FARMERS. AND IT'S NOT EASY BEING A FARMER. THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MANY OF US. SO YOU'RE NOT SUBSIDIZING VERY MUCH. BUT ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT IS AT THE END OF THE MARKET, BECAUSE PRODUCE IS PERISHABLE, WE DONATE IT TO THE GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION. SO THAT'S FOOD THAT THEY'RE GETTING THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE AT ALL BECAUSE IT COMES FROM US. WE JUST HAND IT OVER. I DONATE TO THEM FREQUENTLY, SO THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN YOU THINK. ALL RIGHT. THANKS YOU SO MUCH, MARY REAMS I'M SORRY. MARY. OKAY. AND THEN TRACY KINGSBURY. WELCOME. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M MARY OCASION. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE CHURN CREEK MEADOW ORGANIC FARM. WE'VE BOUGHT CERTIFIED PRODUCER CERTIFICATES FOR 22 YEARS IN SHASTA COUNTY. AND AT THE FARMER'S MARKET, THE FARMER'S MARKET WHERE WE ATTEND THERE ARE FARMERS FROM TEHAMA COUNTY WHO PAY $5 FROM BUTTE COUNTY WHO PAY MORE. THERE'S A FARM FROM YUBA COUNTY FROM ALL OVER. THEY COME TO THE FARMER'S MARKET AND IT'S A SERVICE TO BRING THE LOCAL FOOD TO PEOPLE AT OUR MARKET. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THE FEE LOW TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO BE FARMERS WHEREVER THEY HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY. BECAUSE THERE'S FOOD SHORTAGES OUT THERE AND FOOD IS BEING IMPORTED FOR GROCERY STORES. AND HERE AT THE MARKET, IT'S NICE AND FRESH. AND YEAH, THE TOMATOES AREN'T ALL THE SAME SIZE. THE CANTALOUPE AREN'T ALL THE SAME SIZE, BUT THEY TASTE GREAT AND THEY'RE FRESH. AND PLEASE CONTINUE TO SUBSIDIZE THAT FEE FOR THE GOOD OF LOCAL PRODUCE. THANK YOU. AND OUR LAST SPEAKER, TRACY KINGSBURY. WELCOME. THANK YOU. I'M WITH THE SHASTA GROWERS ASSOCIATION AND WE RUN THE CERTIFIED [04:20:05] MARKETS IN REDDING AND BURNEY. JUST INCREASING THE FEES. CAN YOU PULL YOUR MIC DOWN FOR ME, PLEASE? THANKS. INCREASING THE FEES ANNUALLY WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR MANY OF THE FARMERS WITHIN SHASTA COUNTY TO PRODUCE CROPS FOR OUR FARMERS MARKETS, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR AGING POPULATION OF FARMERS. WE'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO FILL THE MARKETS WITH LOCAL PRODUCE BECAUSE OF THE COST TO RUN AGRICULTURAL BUSINESSES IN CALIFORNIA. AND THIS FEE INCREASE WOULD MAKE IT EVEN MORE CHALLENGING TO DO SO. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO COUNT ON SHASTA COUNTY TO SUPPORT AND INCENTIVIZE OUR LOCAL GROWERS BY KEEPING THE COSTS MINIMAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THAT OUR LAST? EXCUSE ME, IS THAT OUR LAST PUBLIC COMMENT OR MISS BLANKENSHIP? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK FOR BOARD DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS FOR THE. MAYBE MISS SHORT, THIS IS YOURS. WITH THE WITH THE AG FEES. DID I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT THAT IT WAS ABOUT $8,000 THAT. AND I COULD LOOK BACK AT MY NOTES, BUT IN TOTAL IT WAS ABOUT $8,000. OKAY. ABOUT 42 CERTIFICATES OF, YOU KNOW. OKAY. LEVEL INSPECTION NOW AT THE LEVEL. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAD HAD THIS DISCUSSION. I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW FAST TIME FLIES AS IT RELATES TO THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE WAYS THAT WE ARE REALLY ABLE TO LAWFULLY STILL UPHOLD THE DUTIES THAT MR. INGRAM HAS BEEN ENTRUSTED TO BY THE STATE AND THE COUNTY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME REALLY LOOK OUT FOR THE TAXPAYER AND THE BUSINESS OWNER AND THE INDIVIDUAL GROWER. AND I SEE THE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, EVEN MILLIONS, TENS OF MILLIONS LOW HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS THAT WE THROW AT SO MANY BROKEN PROGRAMS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT THIS IS SO NOMINAL. WHAT KIND OF STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN, JOHN, TO EVEN WORK WITH COUNTY COUNCIL AS TO BE ABLE TO CIRCUMVENT MORE OF THAT BECAUSE THE FARMERS MARKET, AGAIN IT'S VERY NOMINAL AND IT JUST, IT BOTHERS ME WITH THESE FEES. LIKE IT BOTHERS ME. I TOTALLY AGREE. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE, THE MARKETS WERE THERE, THE MARKETS MANAGED THEMSELVES. THE PREVIOUS AG COMMISSIONER LONG TIME AGO WHEN I FIRST HIRED MARY PFEIFFER, SHE HATED EVEN REGULATING THE FARMERS MARKET. SHE THOUGHT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAD ANY BEINGS THAT SHE THOUGHT THE MARKET SHOULD MANAGE THEMSELVES. I'M UNDER THAT SAME IMPRESSION. I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, LIKE MR. KELSTROM SAID, IF YOU WANT TO SELL APPLES FROM WHO KNOWS WHERE, BY ALL MEANS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE LIVE IN CALIFORNIA AND THERE'S REGULATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO STANDARDIZATION LAWS AND FARMERS MARKETS. AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN IN SHASTA COUNTY TO REGULATE THOSE LAWS UNIFORMLY AND ENFORCE OUR RULES. BUT THERE AGAIN, YOU'RE ALSO GOING OUT THERE WITH THAT SAME MINDSET. IT'S LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IS IT THAT BIG OF A DEAL? IT CAN BE ESPECIALLY TO OUR LOCAL GROWERS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY WORK HARD TO PRODUCE THEIR PRODUCT. AND THEN THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S POTENTIALLY GOING TO COSTCO AND BUYING THAT BAG OF APPLES, AND THEN SOMEBODY'S GOT A HOMEGROWN BAG OF APPLES. WELL, THEN WHO'S GOING TO SELL IT FOR WHAT? YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, PEOPLE BUY MORE OF THE THE FICTITIOUS BUSINESS, AND THEN IT POTENTIALLY PUTS THE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY GREW IT IN HARMS WAY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE INVOLVED. WE HAD AN INSTANCE THIS YEAR AT THE FARMER'S MARKET, AN OUT OF COUNTY PRODUCER SELLING PRODUCT OF NOT OF THEIR OWN PRODUCTION. AND, AND IT JUST IT'S, IT'S EVEN WORSE, IN MY OPINION, COMING OUT OF COUNTY, COMING INTO OUR FARMER'S MARKET AND SELLING AND ESSENTIALLY TAKING BUSINESS AWAY FROM OUR LOCAL PRODUCERS. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS WHY THE AG DEPARTMENT IS HERE, AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE THERE FOR. AND WE WERE ABLE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH GLYNN COUNTY. IT WAS A GLYNN COUNTY GROWER, AND WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THAT GROWER. SO AND GOT THEM BOOTED OUT OF OUR LOCAL MARKET. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. BUT THE LITTLE NITPICKY THINGS I AGREE THE $20 FEE, IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE HAVE TO CHARGE ANY FEE. TO BE ABSOLUTELY HONEST. I I'M I'M WITH YOU. IT'S A COST OF DOING SERVICE. BUT THEN I HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE. WHAT ARE WE GETTING? YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY GET FOR THAT $20? I MEAN, IT'S A LONG WAYS FROM FULL COST RECOVERY. BUT IF WE CHARGE NOTHING THEN THEN WHAT? WHAT GOOD DOES THAT DO? YOU KNOW? AND SO I'M CAUGHT IN THAT WEIRD POSITION WHERE IT'S LIKE, IT'S STILL A SMALL FEE, BUT IT'S NOT COMING CLOSE TO WHAT IT'S CHARGING MY DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT WORK. BUT IT'S STILL A FEE. AND I MEAN, IF WE DID AWAY WITH ALL THE FEES, THEN IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FULL GENERAL FUND IMPACT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. YEAH. BUT I AM WORKING, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE'RE DOING LESS GROWING GROUNDS INSPECTIONS. SO WE ARE SHRINKING THAT ASPECT OF IT. WE STILL HAVE TO DO OUR MARKET INSPECTIONS. [04:25:02] SO THAT IS QUANTITATIVELY THERE. DEPENDING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STAFF, I DONE, I DID SOME CROSS TRAINING. THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THIS YEAR. I HATE HAVING JUST ONE PERSON PIGEONHOLED INTO A PROGRAM. IF THEY GO ON VACATION OR SOMETHING, NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO DO SOMETHING. SO I DID A LITTLE BIT OF CROSS TRAINING. SO WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT CAN EQUALLY GO OUT AND DO THOSE INSPECTIONS. SO NEXT YEAR, THESE BOTH OF THESE NUMBERS, FULL RECOVERY COSTS SHOULD BE LOWER, SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER. BUT I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT. AND IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, I'M A GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT. I RELY ON GENERAL FUND INPUT. WELL, AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN ROLLING IT BACK SINCE YOU'VE BEEN THERE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN THERE TWO YEARS. YEAH, TWO YEARS NEXT WEEK. YEAH. SO HAPPY ANNIVERSARY. OH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION, MISS BLANKENSHIP ON THE TABLE IS TO ACCEPT THESE FEES AS IN THE ORDINANCE. CORRECT. AND THEN AND AGREE TO THE REDUCTION IN FEES AS REQUESTED BY AG, AND DECLINED TO REDUCE THE FEE AS REQUESTED BY COUNTY CLERK. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO THAT AND I'M GOING TO KEEP THE ORDINANCE. I'M GOING TO KEEP THE ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED, THE AG FEES AS REQUESTED. AND THEN I THINK THAT WE ALLOW THE CLERK TO RUN THEIR DEPARTMENT AND WE DO NOT INCREASE THE FEES ON THE PASSPORT. AND IF HE WANTS TO BRING THAT BACK AT A LATER DATE, I THINK THAT IS THE MOTION ON THE TABLE. CHAIR. I THINK NO, NO, IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU CAN JUST STOP ADOPT THE ORDINANCE. ORDINANCE AS IT IS, RIGHT. THE ORDINANCE, AS IT IS, HAS IT AT 35, HAS THE CLERK FEE AT $35. THE CLERK IS REQUESTING TO CHARGE 22. EXACTLY. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO. SO YOU'LL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS AND THEN ALLOW CLERK LEAVE IT AT BOTH DEPARTMENTS. THEIR REDUCTIONS. CORRECT. AND I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT. IF YOU GUYS HAVE A SECOND, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE CHARGING AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO BE LOOKING AT THEIR EFFICIENCIES AND HOW WE CAN DO OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY. AND I DID NOTICE THIS YEAR THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS WITH FEES THAT WENT DOWN SO WELL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AG HAD SOME THAT WENT DOWN. WE STARTED THIS. I'M SORRY. I'M JUST I'M, I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE STARTED THIS WITH THE CLERK AND THE REGISTRAR OF VOTERS WITH THE AUDITOR, NOT THE AUDITOR. THE WHAT WERE THOSE FEES CALLED? THE NO, NO. NOTARY NOTARY NOTARY FEES. AND THAT STARTED A CASCADING CONVERSATION. AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL. I'D LIKE TO ELIMINATE ALL OF THEM BECAUSE WE SUBSIDIZE SO MUCH GARBAGE IN THIS COUNTY THAT WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE NOT SUBSIDIZE MORE OF THE TAXPAYERS THAT ACTUALLY MOVES THE LIKE THE COUNTY FORWARD, WHICH IS BUILDING, WHICH IS INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS AG I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZING. IT SHOULDN'T BE BROKEN PROGRAMS, BUT I'M NOT DOING THAT TODAY. I'M NOT TRYING TO JUMP OFF THAT CLIFF. SO I'M GOING TO, AGAIN, KEEP MY MOTION. WE'LL GO WITH WHAT'S RECOMMENDED IN THE ORDINANCE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WE KEEP THE FEES AT 22 FOR THE PASSPORT PHOTO AS THE CLERK. AND THAT THAT WAS THE CLERK'S RECOMMENDATION. CORRECT. COUNTY CLERK'S RECOMMENDATION TO LEAVE HIM AT 22, LEAVE THAT ONE AT 22, AND THEN HE MAY STILL COME BACK FOR SOME OF THE OTHERS. THAT. AND AFTER HE HAS, HE HAS TO DEVELOP SOME EFFICIENCIES AND REDUCE THE COSTS. OKAY. BUT THAT WAS HIS RECOMMENDATION. SO I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. YEAH, JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT HERE. IS THAT ACTUALLY BY ARTIFICIALLY LOWERING THE PASSPORT FEE. WE'RE ASKING EVERYONE ELSE TO SUBSIDIZE SOMEONE GOING AND BUYING A PASSPORT PICTURE FROM THE COUNTY WHEN THEY COULD JUST GO TO WHATEVER STORE IN TOWN AND GET IT FOR CHEAPER. SO WE'RE PUSHING PEOPLE TO COME TO THE COUNTY TO GET PASSPORT PHOTOS, AND THEN WE'RE MAKING ALL TAXPAYERS PAY THE EXTRA AMOUNT FOR NO REAL DISCERNIBLE REASON OTHER THAN THE ROV SAYS THAT HE WANTS TO KEEP IT LOWER. I JUST GOT MINE LAST YEAR, MATTER OF FACT. SO WE DID A LITTLE A LITTLE BLURB ON IT AND PUT THE PIO PUT IT OUT THERE. SO I JUST DID THAT. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION OF GETTING THE PHOTO AT THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. I HAD TO GO TO WALGREENS AND DO THE CLERK'S. SO AND THAT'S A DIFFERENCE. AND I, I GOT MY PASSPORT RENEWED LAST YEAR TOO, AND I JUST DID IT ONLINE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT WAS COMPLETELY AN OPTION I DIDN'T HAVE, I DIDN'T COME INTO THE COUNTY OFFICE AT ALL. AND IT WAS VERY EASY. I WAS A BRAND NEW PASSPORT. AND I THINK THAT I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT TOO. SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. WE HAVE AN AGING POPULATION IN THIS COUNTY AND ACCESS TO. GRANTED, WE THINK EVERYBODY HAS AN INTERNET. OR THEY COULD GO TO THE LIBRARY OR WHATEVER. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL COME TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE. THE ROV OFFICE. AND WHAT I BELIEVE IS MANY OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT HAVE THAT ARE HERE IN ATTENDANCE AND THAT EVEN AREN'T IN ATTENDANCE, THAT ARE LOWERING THEIR FEES. THEY'VE BEEN ASKED BY THE PRIOR BOARD AND THEN AGAIN, THIS BOARD TO CONTINUALLY TO GET THE SCALPEL OUT AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES. AND THEY'RE MAKING THEM. AND I THINK THE CLERK IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT SAME THING AS MANY OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE DONE HERE. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING DOWN. WELL, [04:30:01] I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO DRIVE THE COST DOWN. AND THEN WHEN THE COST GOES DOWN, WE SHOULD CHARGE LESS. BUT WE SHOULDN'T JUST SAY, OH, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE LESS BECAUSE WE MIGHT DRIVE THE COST DOWN. SO ALL RIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION. WE'VE GOT A SECOND SUPERVISOR LONG AND WE CAN TAKE THIS VOTE AFTER THIS COMMENT. WE BEAT THIS UP QUITE A BIT. YEAH. THIS IS I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON THIS. BUT MY, MY THOUGHT IS FAIRNESS AND WHO BEARS THE COST FOR SOMEONE COMING FOR A PASSPORT PHOTO. AND WE HAD TESTIMONY THAT THE ACTUAL COST IS $35. SO WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE IT FROM THE RECIPIENT OF THE PHOTOGRAPH, WHO HAS A CHOICE OF WHERE THEY GO TO GET THEIR PHOTOGRAPH. AND IF IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM TO COME TO THE COUNTY, THEN THEY TAKE THEIR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE AND THE COUNTY DOESN'T SUFFER ANY HARM FOR NOT HAVING AN EXTRA PASSPORT PHOTO. BUT WE DON'T PUT IT THEN ONTO THE BACKS OF THE TAXPAYER. IT'S AND SHOULDA TOLD US THAT IT'S ACTUAL COST AT 35. SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD GIFT THAT MONEY. ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. COUNSEL LARMER, BEFORE YOU TAKE YOUR VOTE IF IF YOUR MOTION WILL TAKE IT FIRST, IF YOU CAN AMEND YOUR MOTION TO SPECIFY WHERE THE, REVENUE WILL COME FROM. SO YOU CAN JUST STATE THAT THAT'S GENERAL FUND, OR IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC FUND THAT YOU WANT TO PULL IT FROM. IS THAT MISS SHORT? RIGHT NOW IS WHICH OF THESE IN THIS ORDINANCE, WITHOUT LOOKING BACK, OUR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS, THEY'RE BOTH GENERAL FUND. YEAH. SO IT'S ALL IT'S ALL GENERAL FUND. OKAY. IF YOU'LL JUST AMEND YOUR MOTION AND GET THE SECOND. OKAY. IT'S AMENDED TO THAT. AND SO IS THE SECOND. OKAY. AND THEN AND THEN ALSO MISS SHORT, DID YOU AND YOU SAY ROV CURTIS IS COMING BACK AT SOME POINT HERE SOON. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WAS WHAT HE THAT WAS WHAT HE SAID TO ME. SO I WOULD LIKE TO I MEAN, IF HE'S GOING TO DO IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM, YOU KNOW, DO THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. BUT HE'S CHARGING FULL COST. SO. SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO HAVE. I WOULD LIKE ROV CURTIS TO COME BACK WITHIN 30 DAYS TO BRING THAT FORWARD AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE SECOND ON THAT TOO. YEP. ALL RIGHT. WELL DO WE I THINK WE'LL START TO MY LEFT WITH SUPERVISOR LONG. MISS BLANKENSHIP. SUPERVISOR LONG. NO. SUPERVISOR. KELSTROM. YES. SUPERVISOR. CRYE. YES. SUPERVISOR. HARMON. YES. AND. SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. NO. PASSES. THREE. TWO. ALL RIGHT. ALL YOU DEPARTMENT HEADS. ROCK STARS. APPRECIATE YOU. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. THANK YOU ALL. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND GREAT WORK. AND MISS SHORT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK TO LOWER FEES AND PROTECT THE TAXPAYER OF SHASTA COUNTY. ALL RIGHT. MISS BLANKENSHIP, COUNSEL LARMER, ARE YOU IN QUEUE FOR ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN. NOPE. OKAY. MISS BLANKENSHIP, IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA THAT HAS NOT BEEN COVERED? YES, CHAIR, WE HAVE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, SO WE CAN RECESS AT THIS TIME, IF YOU'D LIKE, AND GO INTO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. PERFECT. BUT IN TERMS OF OUR REGULAR CALENDAR ITEMS, WE'RE GOOD. I KNOW WE MOVED. THAT IS CORRECT, CHAIR. YES. SO WE'RE GOING TO RECESS AS THE SHASTA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND RECONVENE AS THE SHASTA COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND IT IS GREEN IN YOUR GUYS'S PACKETS IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC. OH, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION OR STIPEND FOR ACTING AS A SHASTA COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTERS? MISS BLANKENSHIP ONE MOMENT, CHAIR. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUEST TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. OPEN TIME. OKAY. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. SEE ONE MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION BY SUPERVISOR KELSTROM, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR LONG. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. CONSENT CALENDAR PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE HAVE OUR ONE WHO'S COMING UP ON THIS ITEM. IS IT JOHN TAYLOR? THERE HE IS IN THE BACK. YOU WORE A TIE FOR A REASON TODAY JOHN? YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE UP HERE TWICE. WELCOME. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN. I GOT IT. I'M JOHN TAYLOR, ACTING BRANCH DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC MOBILITY, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT CHANGES TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN. THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN IS A FORMAL DOCUMENT THAT OUTLINES THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR THE HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAM. THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN CONTAINED SHASTA COUNTY'S HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICIES, WHERE THERE IS DISCRETION IN THE REGULATIONS TO OPERATE HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAM. THE SHASTA COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY ADMINISTRATION PLAN ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN IS BEING BROUGHT TODAY FOR APPROVAL FOR CHANGES TO ENSURE THE PLAN REMAINS IN COMPLIANCE WITH [04:35:04] HUD CHANGES UNDER THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY THROUGH MODERNIZATION ACT OF 2016 OR CHANGE. SOME CHANGES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED NOW, WHILE OTHERS MUST WAIT FOR HUD SYSTEMS TO BE UPDATED AND THE PLAN. YOU WILL FIND CERTAIN CHAPTERS HAVE AN A CHAPTER AND A B CHAPTER. THE A CHAPTERS ARE THE REGULATIONS THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED IF THE PLAN IS APPROVED TODAY. AND THE B CHAPTERS WILL GO INTO EFFECT WHEN HUD UPDATES THE HUD SYSTEMS. AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT HAVE AN ANTICIPATED DATE FOR THE UPDATE TO THE HUD SYSTEMS. THE CHANGES THAT WILL GO INTO EFFECT NOW INCLUDE CHANGES TO INCOME VERIFICATIONS. REVISED REVISED DEFINITION OF HEALTH AND MEDICAL CARE EXPENSES, INCOME EXCLUSION FOR HOME BASED CARE PAYMENTS FOR A FAMILY MEMBER WITH DISABILITIES. CHANGES TO WHAT STUDENT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IS COUNTED OR NOT COUNTED, AND ADDS TERMS TO THE DENIAL OF ADMISSION. IF A FAMILY OR FAMILY MEMBER REVOKES CONSENT GRANTED BY FORM HUD 9A86A, WHICH IS AN AUTHORIZATION FOR A RELEASE OF INFORMATION FORM CHANGES THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED WHEN HUD SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE ARE AS FOLLOWS. CHANGES IN THE STUDENT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, INCOME INCLUSIONS AND EXCLUSIONS. CHANGES IN WHEN INTERIM REEXAMINATIONS ARE CONDUCTED FOR CHANGES IN INCOME CREATES NEW ASSET LIMITS FOR APPLICANTS WHO DID NOT HAVE AN ASSET LIMIT. AND WITH THE CHANGES, THERE ARE NOW ASSET LIMITS FOR PARTICIPANTS. OTHER CHANGES INCLUDE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN INCLUDE DIRECT DEPOSIT REQUIREMENT FOR LANDLORDS IN ORDER TO RECEIVE HOUSING ASSISTANCE PAYMENTS AND UPDATES TO THE HOUSING QUALITY STANDARDS INSPECTION PROCESS. THANK YOU. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. TAYLOR? SUPERVISOR. PLUMMER. WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL BE, IF ANY, THE MAJOR IMPLICATIONS FOR EITHER TENANTS OR THE PROPERTY MANAGERS OF THESE CHANGES? I TOLD JOHN I WOULD HELP HIM WITH SOME QUESTIONS. HE'S BRAND NEW TO THE ACTING ROLE HERE, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT HIM ON THE SPOT KIND OF IN WEEK TWO HERE. SO THE BIGGEST CHANGES THAT I SEE KIND OF GOING FORWARD FOR TENANTS IS THE ASSET LIMIT. AND SO IF WE HAVE TENANTS THAT HAVE ASSETS THAT COULD DEFINITELY CHANGE THEIR CALCULATION OF RENT, THE INSPECTIONS WILL ALSO BE A BIG HIT TO THE ACTUAL HOUSING AUTHORITY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S WHAT'S CALLED 24 HOUR FIXES FOR LIFE THREATENING EMERGENCIES. AND THE LIST OF THOSE, EXCUSE ME, IS CHANGING WITH THIS NEW RULE. IT'S CALLED INSPIRE. AND SO THE LIST OF 24 HOUR FAILS, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO GO BACK OUT TO THE UNIT WITHIN 24 HOURS IS INCREASING, WHICH WILL CAUSE MORE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK ON OUR STAFF. AND DO WE HAVE A CHOICE WHETHER TO ACCEPT THIS OR IS THIS FEDERALLY MANDATED? AND ESSENTIALLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE FUNDING, WE HAVE TO DO THIS. SO IT'S FEDERALLY MANDATED. THEY MADE THE CHANGES IN THE REGULATIONS. THEY HAVE KICKED OUT THE IMPLEMENTATION DATE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR AND WE JUST GOT AN EMAIL NOT TOO LONG AGO ABOUT THE INSPIRE. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO EXTEND THAT DATE AS WELL FOR WHEN THAT IMPLEMENTATION IS GOING TO TAKE EFFECT. SO IT'S, IT'S A HUD REGULATION THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AND WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. BUT WHEN YOU SAY EXTEND THE DATE OUT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE COULD DELAY IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS? WE COULD DELAY IMPLEMENTATION OF THE INSPIRE INSPECTIONS AND THE CHANGES. WE CAN'T DELAY THE CHAPTER AYE IMPLEMENTATION, BUT CHAPTER B IS DELAYED UNTIL HUD UPDATES THEIR SYSTEMS. AND SO IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT THE INSPIRE CHANGES AS WELL TODAY. OR TO PUSH THAT OUT UNTIL WE HAVE TO. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO PUSH THAT OUT UNTIL HUD ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTS THAT CHANGE AND HAS THE EFFECTIVE DATE COME INTO EFFECT, BECAUSE THAT WILL REDUCE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN, SO TO SPEAK, IN TERMS OF. YES. YEAH, IT WILL BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN TO IMPLEMENT ALL THOSE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING UP. AND IT'LL GIVE US MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE WE PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL OF THE POTENTIAL 24 HOUR FIXES. OKAY. AND DO WE KNOW WHEN THE DEADLINE IS FOR THAT? IT JUST GOT PUSHED OUT TO THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY OR NOT JANUARY, BEGINNING OF 2027. I CAN'T REMEMBER IT'S JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, BUT IT IS 2027. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. DID YOU WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THE. BECAUSE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO PUSH OUT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEFORE [04:40:01] THE BOARD, OR IT WOULD. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. DID YOU WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO YOU? OKAY. SO ONE OTHER THING TOO I FORGOT. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE? WE DO. AND THIS IS A SCHEDULED HEARING. SO WE'LL HAVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MISS PIGGY, GO AHEAD AND CALL UP. WE HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK. AND SARAH FIELDING. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SARAH FIELDING, AND I'M THE MANAGING ATTORNEY OF LEGAL SERVICES OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. WE'RE A NONPROFIT LAW FIRM, EXCUSE ME. FOCUSED ON LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO BASIC NEEDS. WE WORK WITH LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS AND SENIORS AND PROVIDE OUR SERVICES FREE OF CHARGE. WE WORK ACROSS 23 COUNTIES AND WITH MULTIPLE HOUSING AUTHORITIES. IN OUR WORK, WE ASSIST APPLICANTS FOR SHASTA COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY'S VOUCHER PROGRAM. INDIVIDUALS ON THE WAITING LIST, PARTICIPANTS AND THOSE FACING TERMINATION FROM THE PROGRAM. THE HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAM IS AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM AS IT SUBSIDIZES RENT AND PREVENTS HOMELESSNESS. I HAVE REVIEWED THE CHANGES TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN AND I'VE SUBMITTED EXTENSIVE WRITTEN COMMENT. I DO HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES. I AM SPEAKING TODAY JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, BUT THAT THE THINGS I'M SPEAKING ABOUT TODAY ARE NOT ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. AS I MENTIONED, I SUBMITTED SEVERAL PAGES OF WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING. I WANTED TO TALK SINCE YOU JUST MENTIONED THE ASSET LIMIT. I DID WANT TO STATE THAT WHILE HOFFMAN DOES ADD AN ASSET LIMIT, IT GIVES DISCRETION TO HOUSING AUTHORITIES AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO IMPLEMENT THAT, THAT ASSET LIMIT. WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ASSET LIMIT AS IN OUR WORK WITH. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PARTICIPANTS WHO MAY UNINTENTIONALLY OR UNEXPECTEDLY COME INTO ASSETS THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE SPENT DOWN. AND OUR WORK THAT HAS HAS BEEN WILDFIRE VICTIMS WHO HAVE SETTLEMENT LARGE SETTLEMENTS AFTER LOSING THEIR ENTIRE HOME UNDER THIS CURRENT PROPOSED RULE. ALL OF THOSE FOLKS WOULD NO LONGER QUALIFY FOR THE VOUCHER PROGRAM ONCE THEY RECEIVE THAT SETTLEMENT, AS IT WOULD NOT BE EXEMPT. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN USES OUTDATED FORMS FOR THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT. THOSE WERE UPDATED THIS PAST JANUARY, AND THOSE DO NEED TO BE UPDATED BOTH TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW AND ALSO TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF THOSE IMPACTED BY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. I ALSO WANTED TO FLAG THAT ALL OF THE REFERENCES IN THIS PLAN RELATED TO FAIR HOUSING LAWS AND INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES ONLY CITE FEDERAL LAW. THEY DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OUR STATE LAW. THIS IS PROBLEMATIC AS OUR STATE LAW IS ACTUALLY MORE EXPANSIVE THAN FEDERAL LAW. SOME OF THE THINGS HERE ARE USING THE INCORRECT DEFINITION. I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED RELATED TO THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION PROCESS AND MY EXPERIENCE OF WORKING WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. THEY ARE USING PROCEDURES THAT ARE NOT OUTLINED IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN. ALL PROCEDURES AND LOCAL POLICIES DO NEED TO BE IN THIS PLAN. AND THOSE APPEAR TO BE MISSING. AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THE STATE LAW IS NOT IN THE PLAN THEY ARE POTENTIALLY APPLYING THE INCORRECT STANDARD. AGAIN, I HAVE MANY MORE CONCERNS BUT ONLY THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS, MISS BLANKENSHIP. THAT WAS OUR ONLY SPEAKER. CHAIR. ANYBODY ELSE IN QUEUE? WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD. OOPS. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SUPERVISOR PLUMMER BACK FOR BOARD DISCUSSION. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY CALL UP MISS FIELDING JUST FOR A QUESTION ON THIS INSPIRED PIECE SINCE. DO YOU HAVE A PERSPECTIVE FROM? YEAH. DO YOU HAVE A PERSPECTIVE FROM A TENANT STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF ANY IMPACT THAT THAT PIECE WILL HAVE? IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING INSPECTIONS AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE, I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE WANT THE INSPECTIONS TO OCCUR. I DID MENTION IN MY COMMENTS RELATED TO THE ABATEMENT PROCESS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OCCURS AFTER WHEN A LANDLORD IS FOUND OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE HOUSING QUALITY STANDARDS. SO FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S MOLD IN THE UNIT OR THE HEAT IS BROKEN. THE, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY REQUIRES THE LANDLORD TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. IF THEY DON'T DO IT, THEY HAVE TO COMPLETE INSPECTIONS TO ENSURE THAT THAT COMPLIANCE OCCURS. IF THEY DON'T, THEN THEY CAN ABATE IT WHERE THEY STOP MAKING PAYMENTS AND THEN ULTIMATELY END THAT CONTRACT. WE DO THINK THAT TIME PERIOD SHOULD BE EXTENDED. [04:45:01] RIGHT NOW, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY PROVIDES A PRETTY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME FOR LANDLORDS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, WHICH IS GREAT, AND THAT WE WANT THOSE PROBLEMS FIXED VERY QUICKLY, BUT IS PROBLEMATIC WHEN THE LANDLORD, WHO IS FACING BARRIERS TO MAKING THOSE FIXES, SUCH AS THERE'S A MISSING PART OR THERE'S NOT A CONTRACTOR, WHEN THAT CONTRACT GETS TERMINATED, THE TENANT THEN BECOMES RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE RENT THAT THEY CANNOT AFFORD. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE A VOUCHER. SO THERE ARE SOME OTHER CONCERNS THAT I HAVE RELATED TO THOSE HOUSING QUALITY STANDARDS NOW CALLED INSPIRE. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE INSPIRE STANDARDS. NO. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. SO. SUPERVISOR CRYE, IN YOUR MOTION IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THE OPTION TO, FOR THE INSPIRE STANDARDS TO EITHER BE IMPLEMENTED ESSENTIALLY TODAY, WHICH IS WHAT IS IN THE CURRENT STAFF REPORT OR AT ANY POINT OVER ESSENTIALLY THE NEXT YEAR. IT SOUNDS LIKE. ROUGHLY WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL IN YOUR MOTION TO. MY MOTION WAS JUST FOR TODAY, JUST AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION. BUT IF YOU HAVE A REALLY STRONG FEELING, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG FEELING. IT DID SOUND LIKE AS WE KIND OF HAD FURTHER CONVERSATION, THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE STAFF TO PUSH OUT THAT. IS THAT A FAIR SUMMARY? YES. SO I COULD GIVE ME A GIVE ME A BALLPARK TIME. MISS COLEMAN MAY ALL HAVE BEEN MY MOTION. I MEAN, THIS REALLY IS FOR WHEN WE BRING BACK THE INSPIRE STANDARDS. YEAH. JUST IN TERMS OF THAT ONE ITEM IN THE MOTION, I MEAN, I'LL AMEND IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALIGNED WITH WHAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE LOOKING TO DO IN THIS ITEM. I WAS ACTUALLY JUST TRYING TO PULL IT UP RIGHT HERE. SO IT'S GIVE ME JUST ONE SECOND. DID YOU HAVE AN AMOUNT OF FEBRUARY 1ST, 2027 IS WHEN HUD GAVE US THE OPTION TO EXTEND WHEN WE IMPLEMENT THE INSPIRE STANDARDS. SO THAT IS THE LATEST DATE, MAYBE A YEAR FROM NOW, NEXT DECEMBER. THEN WE CAN NEXT DECEMBER 2026. I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO THAT. YEAH, I'LL AMEND MY SECOND. PERFECT. GOOD, JOHN. GOOD. WORTH THE TIE. STILL. OKAY. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT. ARE YOU GOOD? SUPERVISOR PLUMMER TAKE YOU OUT OF QUEUE. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH. THERE IS NO OTHER ITEM ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. IS THAT CORRECT, MISS BLANKENSHIP? THAT IS CORRECT. BUT BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THIS ITEM. I DO JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT ANY CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO THIS MATTER IS ON FILE WITH THE CLERK OF THE BOARD. YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN AS THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND RECONVENE AS THE SHASTA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SOUNDS LIKE MISS BLANKENSHIP. YOU ALREADY SAID WE HAD IT COVERED. MISS CEO RICKERT. ANYTHING ELSE? NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. GOOD JOB. JOHN. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.