Nov 18, 2025 Board of Supervisors Regular Meeting

>> GOOD MORNING.

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IT IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 18, AND THE TIME IS 9:00 A.M. WE HAVE ALL BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT ALONG WITH CEO DAVE RICKERT, COUNTY COUNSEL, JOE LARR FROM THE CLERK OF THE BOARD, STEPHANIE BLANKENSHIP, MARCY WINSTEAD, AND THE FOYER MIRANDA ANGEL.

WE ENCOURAGE THOSE WISHING TO PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

FOYER SPEAKER REQUEST CARD AND SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK IN THE FOYER.

SPEAKER REQUEST CARDS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EACH ITEM BEGINS.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MS. BLANKENSHIP.

>> THANK YOU. THROUGH THE CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY OF THE BOARD ROOM RULES OF ORDER AS OUTLINED IN ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY 1-101.

THOSE CAN BE FOUND ONLINE THROUGH THE CLERK OF THE BOARD'S WEBSITE.

THIS POLICY INCLUDES SIGNAGE RESTRICTIONS, ATTENDEE SEATING, AND OVERALL CONDUCT TO ENSURE BUSINESS IS DONE IN AN ORDERLY FASHION AND THAT ALL HAVE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO OBSERVE AND PARTICIPATE.

UNLESS ADDRESSING THE BOARD, ALL THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE SHALL REMAIN SEATED IN THE CHAIRS PROVIDED.

STANDING ALONG THE BACK WALL OF THE BOARDROOM IS ACCEPTABLE SO LONG AS NO PERSON BLOCKS THE INGRESS OR EGRESS.

MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA WHO WANT TO OBSERVE, RECORD OR OTHERWISE DOCUMENT AS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, ARE REQUESTED TO SET UP EQUIPMENT FROM THE DESIGNATED AREA ALONG THE SOUTH WINDOWS.

SHASTA COUNTY REMAINS COMMITTED TO CONDUCTING BUSINESS IN A PROFESSIONAL AND ACCESSIBLE ENVIRONMENT, AND WE KINDLY ASK THAT ALL ATTENDEES ADHERE TO THESE RULES.

I DO HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR TODAY'S AGENDA.

ITEM C13, THE AGREEMENT WITH NMR FOR ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING SERVICES HAS BEEN PULLED BY SUPERVISOR PLUMER FOR DISCUSSION.

WITH THAT, CHAIR, I'LL ACTUALLY BE TURNING THINGS OVER TO SUPERVISOR PLUMER.

>> YES, THANK YOU, STEPHANIE.

IN LIGHT OF THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN ENDING AND FEDERAL DOLLARS RESUMING IN TERMS OF THE FLOW.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PULL R5 FROM TODAY'S AGENDA, WHICH WAS TO CONTRIBUTE $50,000 TO DIGNITY HEALTH CONNECTED LIVING FOOD BANK.

THERE'S STILL A GREAT NEED, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO, IF YOU'RE ABLE AND INTERESTED TO CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE.

BUT AT THIS TIME, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT FROM OUR AGENDA.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> DO WE HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT STEPHANIE?

>> NO.

>> WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT VOTE TO REMOVE THAT ITEM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> PASSES FIVE. THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR PLUMER.

IS KINGSHIP, MY GOOD?

>> YES.

>> AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE UP OUR CHAPLAIN, AARON RESNICK, WHO IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY CHAPLAIN OF SHASTA COUNTY.

I'D ASK YOU TO PLEASE RISE, AND THEN AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRAYER, REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE.

>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JOIN WITH ME, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING LORD.

WITH GRACIOUS AND OPEN HEARTS, WE WELCOME YOUR PRESENCE HERE THIS MORNING, AND WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO GATHER THIS DAY.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY ABUNDANT BLESSINGS AND THE INDIVIDUAL GRACE THAT YOU BESTOW UPON US.

WE LIFT UP THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND ASK YOUR BLESSINGS ON THOSE NOT IN ATTENDANCE.

THANK YOU AS WELL FOR THE FREEDOM TO EMBRACE YOU LORD, FOR LOVING US, DESPITE OUR SINFUL ACTIONS, SPEECH, AND THOUGHTS, AND FORGIVE US, WE PRAY THAT WE GLORIFY YOU AS WE OUGHT.

FATHER, I PRAY YOUR HAND OF GUIDANCE AND WISDOM BE ON EACH OF THESE OFFICIALS, AND ESPECIALLY THE CLERK OF THE BOARD.

WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR GIVING THESE FOLKS THE DESIRE AND ABILITY TO DO THE NECESSARY WORK IN AND AROUND OUR COUNTY, GIVE THEM THE INSIGHT AND KNOWLEDGE TO SERVE EFFECTIVELY, THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER IN SPITE OF HONEST DISAGREEMENT, A SENSE OF WELFARE FOR THE TRUE NEEDS OF OUR PEOPLE, AND A THIRST FOR JUSTICE, RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND CONFIDENCE, AND MOST PRINCIPALLY PERSONAL JOY AND PEACE IN THEIR LIVES AND THE LIVES OF THEIR LOVED ONES.

MAY THE AGENDA SET BEFORE YOU TODAY BE A RICH BLESSING FOR THE COMMON GOOD OF ALL RESIDENTS OF SHASTA COUNTY? I PRAY EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM HAVE EARS TO LISTEN AND BE SLOW TO RESPOND, GIVING THOUGHT AND COURTESY TO THOSE WHOM THEY ADDRESS.

WE ASK THIS ALL IN JESUS NAME AMEN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. RESNICK. MOVING ON TO R1 RECEIVE

[R1 Receive an update from the County Executive Officer on County issues and consider action on specific legislation related to Shasta County’s legislative platform and receive Supervisors’ reports on countywide issues.]

>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN CRAM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, DAVE RICKARD COUNTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER REPORTING.

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THE USDA ANNOUNCED THAT THE FULL CASH KL FRESH BENEFITS FOR NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER WILL BE ISSUED.

THE ANNOUNCEMENT ALSO STATED THAT FULL FISCAL YEAR FOR 2026 FUNDING FOR KL FRESH BENEFITS AND ADMINISTRATIVE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE.

SHASTA COUNTY FAMILIES WILL RECEIVE THEIR FULL BENEFITS IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY.

DECEMBER AND FUTURE MONTH BENEFITS WILL BE ISSUED AS SCHEDULED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026.

THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

>> THANK YOU, CEO RICKER.

WE'LL START TO MY LEFT WITH SUPERVISOR LONG.

>> THANK YOU, CHAIR.

>> SUPERVISOR PLUMER AND I, ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE TEAM, ATTENDED A STRATEGIC VISION PLANNING MEETING.

IN ADDITION TO THE SURVEY, WE DISCUSSED, AND WE ARE SETTING DATES FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND GET AHOLD OF US OR YOU CAN RESEARCH IT ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE DATES OF THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THROUGHOUT PRETTY MUCH EACH DISTRICT.

IT'LL BE GOOD DISCUSSION TO PRIORITIZE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE FORWARD THAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

I TOOK A TOUR OF THE GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION, AND IT WAS TIMELY BECAUSE I GOT TO LOOK AT THE 75 BED FACILITY FOR DRUG ADDICTION ISSUES AND ALSO THE DAY CENTER.

THAT'S HALF CONSTRUCTED, AND THE 75 BED FACILITY HAS NOT YET BEEN.

I GOT TO SEE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY.

TOURED THE MICRO SHELTERS, SAW THAT THE GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION HAS PURCHASED AN APARTMENT BUILDING, ESSENTIALLY THAT IS LONG-TERM HOUSING.

IT'S WONDERFUL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING DOWN THERE AT THAT FACILITY.

I GOT TOGETHER WITH HALEY WATTS CHANNEL 12 ACTION NEWS AND DOWN IN CHICO.

I DID A PODCAST WITH HER AND DISCUSSED A LOT OF ISSUES FACING OUR COUNTY.

THAT WAS A GOOD SESSION WITH HER.

I ATTENDED A READING ROTARY LUNCHEON WHERE THEY WERE HONORING OUR VETERANS, AND WE SIGNED BASICALLY, SOME TIME AGO, THE ENTIRE BOARD SIGNED A PROCLAMATION TO HONOR A SPECIFIC VETERAN WHO IS A MEMBER OF THE ROTARY, AND, IT WAS A WONDERFUL THING.

HE WAS SERGEANT KEN SIEMENS, A US MARINE CORPS VET.

I GOT TO PRESENT THAT PROCLAMATION TO HIM. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR LONG. SUPERVISOR CUSTER.

>> AFTER OUR MEETING ON THURSDAY THE 6TH, I WENT TO A RIBBON CUTTING CASEY MERCANTILE ON FRONT STREET IN COTTONWOOD WITH THE COTTONWOOD CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

ON THE 7TH, I CAME TO THESE CHAMBERS TO DO A VETERANS COLLABORATION WITH VSO TROY PAYNE AND HHS A HEAD KRISTI COLEMAN.

THEN ON THE 8TH, WELL, AFTER MY VFW BREAKFAST IN ANDERSON, I WENT TO THE MANTON FIRE SAFE COUNCIL AND AUCTIONED OFF SOME DESSERTS FOR THEM, AND THEN LEFT THERE AND LEFT THERE AND WENT RIGHT TO THE INWOOD FIRE SAFE COUNCIL MEETING AT BLACK SCHOOL.

THEN THEN I RETURNED HOME, WENT TO THE COTTONWOOD, AMERICAN LEGION HALL WHERE THEY HAD A VETERANS DAY CELEBRATION AND A BARBECUE.

THEN ON THE 9TH, I WAS AT IN WHITMORE.

CORKY, I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE, BUT I WAS AT THEIR MONTHLY BREAKFAST UP THERE.

THEN ON THE 10TH, I MET WITH DAVE RICKERT AND AARON BERTIN ON AN ISSUE.

THEN I WENT OUT AND DECORATED THE VETERANS' GRAVES WITH FLAGS AND FLOWERS, IGO CEMETERY.

I WAS BACK OUT AT IGO CEMETERY THE NEXT DAY AT THE VETERANS DAY CELEBRATION.

THEN I WAS ALSO A IGO CEMETERY THE DAY AFTER THAT TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAGS AND THE FLOWERS.

THEN ON THE 12TH, I HAD A I WAS IN MANTON WITH THE BATTLE CREEK WATERSHED MEETING.

I RETURNED BACK TO ANDERSON TO A ENTERPRISE ANDERSON GROUND WATER SUSTAINABILITY BOARD MEETING.

THEN I HAD A COTTONWOOD CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEETING THAT SAME DAY.

THE 13TH, I WAS HERE AT A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

THEN ON THE 14TH, I HAD A MEETING WITH JOHN INGRAM, WHICH I MISSED, AND I APOLOGIZE TO JOHN, BUT I GOT A CALL FROM SOMEBODY UP IN BERNIE, I'LL LET SUPERVISOR HARMON TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.

BUT I HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN AN ISSUE UP THERE BEFORE SUPERVISOR HARMON HAD WON HIS ELECTION, AND HE REACHED THIS GENTLEMAN UP THERE REACHED OUT TO ME FOR ONGOING ISSUE THAT WE BOTH THOUGHT WAS DONE AND GONE.

I ENDED UP DRIVING UP TO BERNIE WITH SUPERVISOR HARMON TO TALK TO PEOPLE UP THERE AND TRY TO GET THIS THING RESOLVED.

THEN I HAD A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HERE.

THEN I WENT TO THE SUSIE SMITH CELEBRATION OF LIFE AT THE PACIFIC AUDITORIUM,

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I JUST DIDN'T SEE HIM. THERE WAS ABOUT PROBABLY ABOUT 1,000 PEOPLE THERE.

I MISSED HIM THERE. THEN ON SATURDAY I HAD A FUND RAISER AT ST. JOSEPH SCHOOL.

I AUCTIONEERED THE THEIR EVENT AND MC IT.

IT WAS QUITE A GREAT EVENT.

THEN LAST NIGHT, I HAD AROBA BOARD MEETING, SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

>> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR CUSTER. SUPERVISOR HARMON.

>> PICKING ON ME, AREN'T YOU?

>> NO. I HAD THAT ON MY CALENDAR BUT I HAD A CONFLICTING TO GO TO THE WHITMORE PANCAKE BREAKFAST.

YES, I WAS AT SUSIE'S DALE, DOWN SIT DOWN THE MIDDLE ABOUT I DIDN'T SEE YOU, WHICH YOU'RE NOT HARD TO SEE THAT I DIDN'T SEE YOU. I WAS SITTING DOWN.

GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. TUESDAY THE 4TH, I WENT TO PSEDRO CHAMBER MEETING ON THE 5TH MET WITH SETH HOPE ABOUT OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR THE COUNTY ON THE 6TH.

OF COURSE, I WAS AT THE BOARD DEAL HERE ALONG WITH YOU GUYS.

DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING ME HERE? I DO.

SATURDAY, BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T WRITE THAT DATE DOWN.

WHEN DID WE GO? WAS IT FRIDAY? WHEN WE WENT TO BERNIE? ON THE 8TH, DID THE FLAGS AND FLOWERS AT THE READING MEMORIAL CEMETERY.

THAT WAS VERY REWARDING.

I HAVE TO SAY, WALKING AROUND THERE.

IDENTIFYING WHICH ONES WERE AND THERE WAS LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HELPING.

OF COURSE, THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE, BUT YOU PUT A STICK A FLAG IN THE GROUND, AND THEN YOU PUT A FLOWER ON TOP AND YOU SAY A FEW WORDS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

BUT IT WAS SO HISTORICAL.

I REMEMBER ONE OF THE GUYS SAYING, HEY, YOU NEED TO COME OVER HERE AND READ THIS ONE.

WELL, IT WAS FROM THE GUY WAS BORN, AND I'LL GET IT CLOSE, BUT LIKE 1890, 1880, SOMETHING, AND HE WAS IN THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR, HE DIED IN 1945, AND HE'S BURIED RIGHT HERE, BUT IT WAS I DON'T KNOW.

IT JUST REALLY WASN'T THAT LONG AGO WHEN A LOT OF THIS HISTORY HAPPENED.

WE'RE STILL PRETTY YOUNG COUNTRY.

BUT IT WAS AND I GOT TO TALK TO THE MOTHER OF PRESTON SHARP, AND SHE GAVE ME THE DETAILS ABOUT HOW THAT GOT GOING.

I'VE HEARD SOME OF IT BEFORE, BUT LISTENING TO THE MOTHER, TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT DEVELOPED.

SHE THOUGHT IT WAS HIS GRANDPA THAT GOT BURIED IN THE CEMETERY WE WERE IN THE READING MEMORIAL.

THAT'S WHAT GOT HIS ATTENTION BECAUSE IT WASN'T DECORATED.

THE OTHER GRAVES AROUND AND HE AND IT BOTHERED HIM.

HE JUST HE STARTED BY TAKING CARE OF THAT CEMETERY.

THE MOTHER SHOCK, SHE SAYS, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD SATISFY WHAT HE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH.

BUT THEN HE WANTED TO GO TO THE OTHER CEMETERIES IN THE AREA.

THEN SHE THOUGHT, WELL, THAT WOULD SATISFY HIS DESIRE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THEN IT JUST KEPT GOING AND GOING AND GOING UNTIL HE WAS, I THINK, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SACRAMENTO AND CLEAR UP IN SHASTA COUNTY.

BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS PRETTY.

NOW THAT YOUNG MAN IS AROUND 20.

HE WAS THERE, AND I GOT TO TALK TO HIM, TOO, BUT IT WAS MOST INTERESTING TO TALK TO HIS MOTHER'S EXPERIENCE.

BUT ANYWAY, IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE, THAT WAS A PRETTY FUN EXPERIENCE.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'D CALL IT FUNNY.

IT WAS VERY SOBERING THE WHOLE THING WAS, BUT AND THEN ON TUESDAY, I MET WITH SUPERVISOR PLUMER, AND THEN WEDNESDAY HAD JURY DUTY.

THAT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE I WAS THINKING, WELL, IF IT'S A SHORT TRIAL, THEN MAYBE I CAN MAKE IT WORK, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SKIP MEETINGS.

WELL, IT WAS A 3 OR 4 WEEK TRIAL.

I HAD TO TALK TO THE JUDGE ABOUT OTHER OBLIGATIONS, MEANING RIGHT HERE, BUT I GOT PUT OFF FOR 3 MONTHS.

SHE DID SAY, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS GOING TO WORK IN 3 MONTHS, EITHER.

I SAID, WELL, IF IT'S SHORT, THEN MAYBE WE CAN MAKE IT WORK.

I WASN'T TRYING TO GET OUT OF IT, BUT ANYWAYS, YES.

THEN ON THE 13TH, I WENT TO THE CR GIBBS AT THE REQUEST OF LEA ROAD RUNNER.

IT WAS GOOD TIMING BECAUSE OF WHAT WE GOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY,

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BUT HE HAS A PROJECT RESTORATION, WHICH IS A LITTLE HOTEL OVER HERE.

IT'S LIKE GOLD STREET TURN RIGHT, MARKET STREET RIGHT THERE.

>> HE'S WORKING ON. IF YOU HAVE ANY INCLINATION TO HELP OUT THIS GREAT PROGRAM THAT HE'S GOT.

THIS IS THING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO SUPPORT.

BUT IF YOU GET A CHANCE, HELPING RESTORATION, HOPE, AND HOUSING FOR READING HOMELESS COMMUNITY, AND IT'S CALLED.

SORRY, MY GLASSES WORK PART-TIME.

ANY OF YOU HAVE THAT PROBLEM? BUT ANYWAYS, ROBERT CRONICK, PROJECT RESTORATION, GOOGLE IT, GREAT PROGRAM.

GREAT HART, THE PEOPLE IN THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF TESTIMONIES.

THERE'S A WEBSITE YOU CAN GO TO.

THERE'S SOME PERSONAL TESTIMONIES ON THERE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROGRAM.

IT'S A PROGRAM WHERE HE TOOK A MOTEL.

HE'S RESTORING IT.

COSTING HIM A LOT OF MONEY HE GOT A GRANT FROM THE CITY TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE HOOK UP STUFF AS FAR AS UTILITIES AND ALL THAT GO WITH THE CITY, WHICH HE WAS VERY THANKFUL FOR, AND SO AM I.

BUT IF WE GET A CHANCE, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP HIM BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO RESTORE MORE ROOMS IN THERE.

IT'S LIKE A TWO-YEAR PROGRAM.

YOU CAN GET KICKED OUT OF THERE.

IT'S NOT LIKE A LIKE A HALFWAY HOUSE.

IT'S SORT OF IS.

I DON'T LIKE THE TERM HALFWAY HOUSE.

YOU GOT TO MEET REQUIREMENTS, AND YOU GOT TO TOE THE LINE, AND THEN IT'S A MINISTRY AT THE SAME TIME. ANYWAY, CHECK IT OUT.

THEN I WENT ON THE 14TH, LIKE SUPERVISOR KELSEY WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHAT A GREAT OUTPOURING FROM THE COMMUNITY AT THE CIVIC AUDITORIUM FOR SUZIE.

THAT WAS AMAZING.

IT REALLY WAS AMAZING.

IT WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T LOOK AROUND BEHIND ME, BUT I WOULD SAY THREE QUARTERS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE.

SITTING FILLED IN THE CIVIC AUDITORIUM.

THEY HAVE A FOUNDATION TOO.

IT'S CALLED OUR ANGEL THAT FLIES FOUNDATION TO KEEP HER MINISTRY GOING THAT SHE'S BEEN DOING FOR 20 SOME YEARS, MAYBE 30 YEARS DOWN IN NICARAGUA AND DIFFERENT PLACES.

IF YOU HAVE FUNDS AND YOU'RE ABLE TO SUPPORT, THAT'D BE A GREAT PROGRAM TO SUPPORT AND SHOUT OUT TO THAT FAMILY.

WHAT AN AWESOME FAMILY THAT IS? WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE MY REPORT.

>> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR HARMON. SUPERVISOR PLUMMER.

>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. FOUR UPDATES FOR YOU.

I DO WANT TO JUST START WITH AN UPDATE ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND BUILD OFF OF WHAT SUPERVISOR LONG SHARED.

THERE'S CURRENTLY A SURVEY, AND AS OF YESTERDAY, WE HAD OVER 1,500 RESPONSES, WHICH IS GREAT.

I'D LOVE TO DOUBLE THAT BEFORE DECEMBER 5TH, WHICH IS WHEN THAT IS DONE.

IF YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN IT YET, JUST GO TO SHASTACOUNTY.GOV AND YOU'LL SEE A LINK THERE.

IT'S IN THAT CAROUSEL.

IF YOU DON'T SEE IT, JUST WAIT FOR A SECOND, AND IT WILL SHOW UP THERE.

WE'D LOVE TO GET THAT OUT TO MORE PEOPLE.

SO FAR, THERE'S BEEN SOMETHING LIKE 800 QUALITATIVE, LIKE WRITTEN IN COMMENTS.

THOSE WILL BE FUN TO READ.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

THEN JUST TO EMPHASIZE, WE'RE HAVING THE FOUR IN-PERSON MEETINGS AROUND THE COUNTY.

THE ONE IN MY DISTRICT IS TONIGHT, SO NOVEMBER 18TH, TONIGHT, 6-8 PM.

THEY'RE ALL FROM 6-8 PM.

THIS WILL BE AT THE LARRY J FAR CENTER IN COMMUNITY CENTER UP IN THE CITY OF CHASTE LAKE.

IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE TONIGHT, WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO COME OUT.

IT'S GOING TO BE FACILITATED BY HOPE SETH WHO IS LEADING THIS PROCESS.

I BELIEVE NODA, OUR AUDITOR WILL BE THERE. I WILL BE THERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY INTERACTIVE AND FUN, AND YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BASICALLY SAY HOW YOU THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD ALLOCATE RESOURCES GOING INTO THE FUTURE. I HOPE YOU CAN COME OUT.

NOVEMBER 20TH, THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE READING VETERANS ALL, WHICH I BELIEVE SUPERVISOR LONG AND CRY WILL BE AT.

THEN DECEMBER 1ST IS IN ANDERSON AT THE FRONTIER SENIOR CENTER WITH SUPERVISOR KELSTROM.

THEN DECEMBER 3RD WILL BE ONE IN BERNIE OR FALL RIVERS.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS HAVE A LOCATION YET.

WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO GET OUT TO ONE OF THESE.

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THAT WILL LEAD TO A PRESENTATION AT THE END OF DECEMBER IN OUR LAST BOARD MEETING ON WHAT ARE WE FINDING FROM ALL THIS, AND WHAT DOES THIS MEAN IN TERMS OF THE 3-5-6 COUNTY WIDE GOALS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID.

THIS IS WHAT WE WANT US TO FOCUS ON AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED IN, AND WE HOPE YOU CAN BE PART OF THAT.

THE SECOND TWO UPDATES RELATE TO A TRIP I WAS ABLE TO DO THIS PAST WEEK WHERE I WENT TO UTAH.

THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT WAS FOR NACO, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES HAD A CONFERENCE, I'LL CALL IT ON AI.

I THINK THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT FOR US FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, BUT AS WE LOOK AT COUNTY, CITY, GOVERNMENT FINANCES, AND WE THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THAT'S SUSTAINABLE INTO THE FUTURE? WE BASICALLY HAVE THREE OPTIONS.

WE CAN INCREASE TAXES, WHICH WE KNOW IN SHASTA COUNTY, NO ONE WANTS TO DO.

WE CAN REDUCE THE SERVICES PROVIDED, WHICH HAS WILL HAVE IMPACT, OR WE CAN FIND A WAY TO DO THINGS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENTLY THAN WE HAVE BEFORE.

I THINK AI IS A KEY PIECE OF THINKING ABOUT THAT.

IT WAS A GREAT TIME OF HEARING FROM BOTH THE STATE OF UTAH AND THEN COUNTIES AROUND THE WESTERN UNITED STATES ABOUT HOW THEY'RE USING AI.

I WOULD PUT THAT INTO TWO BUCKETS.

THERE'S ONE THAT'S MORE ON THE PERSONAL, AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL, I'M SURE, COULD EXPERIMENT WITH THAT.

SOME OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY TRIED CHATGPT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK ALL OF OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES, WHICH I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, DON'T USE CHATGPT, IF YOU'RE A COUNTY EMPLOYEE ON COUNTY, BECAUSE THERE ARE SECURITY, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO INTRODUCE COPILOT, WHICH WOULD BE WITHIN THE MICROSOFT SYSTEM, AND IT WOULD BE CONTAINED.

BUT THERE ARE HUGE EFFICIENCIES THAT INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES WILL BE ABLE TO GAIN THROUGH USE OF THAT.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO WHAT I'M REFERRING TO AS ENTERPRISE SOLUTIONS, AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, I HEARD ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND TAKING ALL THE FILES THAT NEED TO BE FILED AND PUT TOGETHER FOR OUR COURT CASE AND HAVING AI DO THAT VERSUS AN INDIVIDUAL DO THAT.

SAVING DRAMATIC TIME.

WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES THAT THERE'S MORE WORK THAN THEY CAN HANDLE.

CAN WE USE SOME OF THIS TECHNOLOGY TO DO THAT? THAT'S SOMETHING I'M GOING TO BE EXPLORING OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS.

I ALSO JUST BEFORE LEFT, CONVENED A GROUP LOCALLY OF BOTH FROM OUR TWO COLLEGES AND THEN FROM THOSE REPRESENTING BUSINESS INTERESTS TO SAY, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? SHOULD WE FORM AN AI TASK FORCE LOCALLY THAT CAN HELP DRIVE AND PILOT THIS PROCESS? IN PART, ALSO, BECAUSE WHETHER, AND I KNOW MY WIFE'S A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER, AND SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE, NO, AI, DON'T GO THERE.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE'RE GOING THERE AS A SOCIETY.

I DON'T WANT US TO BE ON THE TAIL END OF THAT.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE ON THE FRONT END, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW TRACK ALONG WITH THAT JOURNEY.

I THINK THERE WILL BE HUGE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I'LL HIT THESE LAST TWO QUICKLY.

WHEN I WAS IN UTAH, I ALSO WAS ABLE TO VISIT AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE OTHER SIDE ACADEMY, WHICH FOLKS LIKE ROBERT CRONICK AND OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE VISITED IN THE PAST.

THEY'RE THERE, I WOULD SAY TAKING A SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN CONVENTIONAL APPROACH TO ADDRESSING HOMELESS, PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN ADDICTION, AND THEY'RE SEEING SOME GREAT RESULTS THERE.

THERE'LL BE MORE TO SHARE IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAN LEARN FROM THAT AND WHAT WE CAN TAKE FOR HERE.

THEN THE LAST THING I'LL JUST SHARE, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS IS WE'RE CONTINUING TO PUSH ON THE WORK FOR THE SHERIFF'S NEW CORRECTION AND REHABILITATION CAMPUS.

I JUST WANT TO NOTE, YOU'LL SEE A LETTER ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TO ADVOCATE FOR STATE FUNDING FOR THAT.

I WOULD SAY WE'RE GAINING A LOT OF TRACTION IN TERMS OF INTEREST, BOTH FROM STATE.

YESTERDAY, I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO STAFF MEMBER FROM SENATOR SHIFTS TEAM, AND INTRODUCED THE PROJECT TO THEM, AND HE THE STAFF MEMBER, NOT NECESSARILY THE SENATOR, BUT THE STAFF MEMBER INDICATED THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME INTERESTS FROM HIM AS WELL.

A LOT OF FOLKS ARE POTENTIALLY COMING UP TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, AND I THINK IT COULD BE TRANSFORMED IF FOR SHASTA COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. I'LL START.

MAYBE WHERE YOU LEFT OFF A LITTLE BIT.

WE HAVE GOTTEN RECEIVED SOME EMAILS ABOUT THAT 90-ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY DOWN OFF 273.

JUST TO LET THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW,

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I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 AND 25 HOUSES.

SUPERVISOR KELSTROM, MYSELF AND THE SHERIFF ARE GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THAT GROUP.

IF YOU LIVE IN THAT AREA, YOU'RE WATCHING ONLINE, JUST BE LOOKING FOR AN EMAIL FROM THE GROUP AND THE THREE OF US WOULD LIKE TO COME AND MEET WITH EVERYBODY AND JUST WALK SOME PEOPLE THROUGH THE PROCESS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

YOU'RE ASSURED THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE SNIPER TOWERS AND RAZOR WIRE RIGHT ABOVE THE FENCE LINE IN YOUR BACKYARD.

I THINK JUST MAKING SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT, AND PLEASE, WE ENCOURAGE EMAILS.

SUPERVISOR KELSTROM'S DISTRICT, BEING THAT THE SHERIFF AND MYSELF, ALONG WITH SUPERVISOR PLUMMER, THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS A WHILE.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT THE PROCESS WILL BE.

I ATTENDED A GOVERNOR CANDIDATES FORUM THIS WEEKEND.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY ANYTIME, SOMEBODY WHO'S RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR OR A STATE OFFICE, YOU TRY AND MAKE THOSE MEET WITH A FEW DIFFERENT APPOINTEES FOR THE EDC IN SOME DIFFERENT BOARDS, THE TIME OF YEAR WHERE APPOINTMENTS ARE MADE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS ARE COMING.

ALL THE SUPERVISORS, I'M SURE, MEETING WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

I HAD A MEETING AS WELL WITH HOPE SETH.

THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BELABORED HERE PRETTY WELL.

NOVEMBER 6TH, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE SHERIFF AND JONATHAN ANDERSON, HHSA, CEO RICKERT AND SOME OTHER STAFF ABOUT AN ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY, WHICH IS R4, BUT IT REALLY PIGGYBACKED A MEETING I HAD WITH JONATHAN ANDERSON A DAY OR SO AFTER THE AT-HOME MEETING THAT WAS CANCELED FOR LACK OF A QUORUM.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT THAT MEETING WAS, AGAIN, NOVEMBER 6TH, AND TODAY IS THE 18TH.

WE'RE TALKING LIKE LESS THAN TWO WEEKS AGO.

BUT POWERFUL, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE.

AGAIN, I'M 49, AND THERE'S TIMES THAT I JUST ASSUME CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE TALKING AND WORKING TOGETHER.

BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY NO MATTER WHAT YOUR FIELD IS OR WHAT AREA OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT OR ANY TYPE OF GOVERNMENT YOU'RE IN JUST DO WHAT SEEMS LIKE OBVIOUS AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING.

I HAD A PERSONAL MEETING AT SHASTA ORTHOPEDICS FOR MY WRIST, BUT WHAT'S BEEN GREAT IN THOSE TWO APPOINTMENTS IS I WAS ABLE TO SIT IN THE WAITING ROOM.

ACTUALLY, THEY MOVED PEOPLE ALONG QUITE FAST.

BUT GETTING A CHANCE TO TALK TO ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, HOW LONG THEY HAD WAITED FOR THEIR APPOINTMENTS, WHAT THEIR MEDICAL CARE WAS LOOKING LIKE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE SOME OF YOU TO, AS WE KEEP PUSHING INTO THIS BRINGING MEDICAL SOLUTIONS OR IMPROVING HEALTH CARE IN SHASTA COUNTY, TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH COMPLETE STRANGERS, SEE WHERE THEY ARE, BECAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION, AND I APPRECIATE SUPERVISOR KELSTROM LETTING ME TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE AGAIN IT IS HIS DISTRICT.

BUT COACH BOB REID PASSED AWAY, WHO'S A LOCAL SHASTA COUNTY ION ANDERSON'S FOOTBALL FIELD IS NAMED AFTER HIM. HE PASSED AWAY.

BUT IN TALKING TO HIS DAUGHTER, LENGLA, SHE HAD MENTIONED THAT HIS HEART DOCTOR ONLY FLEW IN, LIKE EVERY TWO OR THREE WEEKS.

THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE CAUSE OF HIS DEATH, BUT HE HAD WALKED A COUPLE.

HE HAD TWO ONE MILE WALKS THE DAY BEFORE HE PASSED, BUT SHE REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE STRAIN AND LACK OF MEDICAL CARE.

AGAIN, THIS ISN'T NEW TO ANYBODY, BUT THAT WAS PRETTY TROUBLING TO HEAR THAT COACH REID'S DOCTOR WAS FLYING IN EVERY 2-3 WEEKS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIVE HERE IN THAT TYPE OF DOCTOR.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE THOSE, ESPECIALLY IN THE ANDERSON COTTONWOOD COMMUNITY TO BE LOOKING FOR THAT SERVICE.

IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETIME AFTER THANKSGIVING, BUT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A VENUE IN SHASTA COUNTY THAT'S GOING TO BE LARGE ENOUGH FOR THAT ONE.

STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF MEDICAL CARE, I SPOKE WITH TEHAMA COUNTY'S CHAIR MATT HANSON ABOUT ASSURING HIM IF THERE'S ANYTHING I COULD DO TO HELP HIM BRING A MENTAL HOSPITAL TO TEHAMA COUNTY.

I'D LIKE TO WRITE AS MANY LETTERS AND GET BEHIND THAT.

HE HAS ENCOURAGED ME TO PLEASE DON'T DO THAT AT THIS POINT.

HE SAID, GIVE HIM SOME TIME TO LOOK INTO THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY [NOISE] KNOWS, IF YOU WANT THAT IN TEHAMA COUNTY OR SISCO COUNTY, PLEASE EMAIL THOSE SUPERVISORS AND THOSE CHAIRS AND LET ME PERSONALLY KNOW WHAT I COULD DO TO HELP THAT ALONG.

THE LAST THING I WANT TO HIT ON IS, AND AGAIN, IN OUR PRAYER TODAY, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE CLERK OF THE BOARD IN THE PRAYER FOR MISS BLANKENSHIP.

I NEVER TALK ABOUT AGENDA REVIEW BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING I DO EVERY WEEK.

CHAIRS DO, BUT STEPHANIE, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU, BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING I DO SO CONSISTENTLY, I DON'T EVER SAY, BUT I SO APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO TO PUT THESE AGENDAS TOGETHER AND THE WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT.

YOU HAVE A SKELETON CREW OF HIGHLY MOTIVATED INDIVIDUALS,

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THE LAST THING IS THIS IS IN THE FUTURE, BUT NOVEMBER 26TH, WE HAVE A MEETING IT LOOKS LIKE I JUST GOT SOMETHING FOR THAT SWITCH CEO RECORD, THE DATE.

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT THAT DATE.

>> IT DID.

>> IS IT HAPPENING?

>> THE DAY BEFORE THE 25TH, BUT SOMETIME BETWEEN ONE AND FOUR OF IT.

>> ON NOVEMBER 25, MYSELF, DR. DINUCA, HHSA, AND CEO RICKERT, HAVE A MEETING WITH DR. PAN, AND SHE IS IN CHARGE OF PUBLIC HEALTH FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

ONCE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WENT BACK TO WORK, IT TRIGGERS THE $50 BILLION THAT GOES INTO RURAL HEALTHCARE.

I BELIEVE FIVE BILLION OF THAT GOES TO CALIFORNIA.

I MET HER ACTUALLY IN SACRAMENTO IN JUNE AT THE POLICE OFFICERS FOR THE AWARD.

MY BROTHER IN LAW GOT THE MEDAL OF VALOR FOR CHP, SO I MET HER DOWN THERE IN JUNE.

NOW HERE IN NOVEMBER, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO BE, I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST COUNTIES FIRST IN LINE AND GETTING TO PITCH WHY WE SHOULD GET A CHUNK OF THAT $5 BILLION.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

CIRCLE THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR, WHATEVER YOUR PROCESS IS, WHETHER IT'S PRAYERS, GOOD VIBES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY, LIGHT A CANDLE.

BUT THAT MEETING ON NOVEMBER 25TH COULD REALLY CHANGE THE FACE OF SHASTA COUNTY HEALTHCARE. I'M EXCITED FOR THAT.

WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON.

[PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD - OPEN TIME]

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. HOW MANY DO WE HAVE?

>> AT THIS TIME, CHAIR, WE HAVE 25 SPEAKERS.

>> TWENTY-FIVE. TWO MINUTES APIECE. LET'S CALL THEM.

>> FIRST STEP, STEVE WOODRUM, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER ENRIQUEZ, THEN BEV AND CARLA REID.

IF I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET AND QUEUE OVER HERE TO MY LEFT.

>> GOOD MORNING. HERE ARE SOME OF MY OBSERVATIONS AFTER WORKING DURING THE LAST ELECTION.

FRONTLINE COUNTY EMPLOYEES, POLL VOLUNTEERS, AND ROVER WERE CAPABLE AND IMPARTIAL.

THE POLLING PLACE WAS PROPERLY PREPARED.

BUT THERE WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR VOTERS WHO DID NOT HAVE THEIR VOTE-BY-MAIL BALLOT.

UNDER MR. CURTIS' NEW SYSTEM, THESE PEOPLE WOULD COME TO THE CHECK-IN TABLE AND SPEAK WITH A POLL WORKER.

THEN A SECOND POLL WORKER WOULD CALL INTO THE ELECTION OFFICE AND SPEAK WITH A THIRD WORKER WHO WOULD USE A COMPUTER TO CHECK IN ON THE VOTER'S STATUS.

THIS INFORMATION WOULD BE RELAYED BACK TO THE SECOND WORKER, WHO WOULD THEN RELAY IT BACK TO THE FIRST WORKER AT THE SIGN-IN TABLE.

THIS WAS A CUMBERSOME PROBLEM PROCESS THAT WAS EASILY SWAMPED.

WHEN THE PHONE LINES JAMMED, VOTERS SOMETIMES HAD TO WAIT 15-20 MINUTES JUST TO SIGN IN.

I SAW THESE DELAYS HAPPEN.

UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM, THE SIGN-IN PROCESS TOOK ABOUT A MINUTE.

AFTER VOTING, ONE PERSON WALKED AWAY FROM THE TABLE AND COMPLAINED THAT SHE FELT THAT THESE NEW CHANGES WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE SYSTEM MORE EFFICIENT AND QUICKER.

WELL, THEY DIDN'T.

THIS WAS A VERY EASY, SIMPLE ELECTION, AND MR. CURTIS' INNOVATIONS FAILED.

>> THANK YOU. I DO JUST WANT TO NOTE WE HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS COMING UP THAT ADDED TO THEIR SPEAKER REQUEST CARD.

THEY WANT TO SPEAK TO C13.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PULLED, AND WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS SEPARATELY ON THAT ITEM.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THAT ITEM SPECIFICALLY, PLEASE CHECK IN WITH THE CLERK IN THE FOUR TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THAT.

IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW FOR OPEN COMMENT TIME, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR ANY OTHER ITEM LISTED ON CONSENT.

NEXT UP, CHRISTOPHER ENRIQUEZ, FOLLOWED BY BEV, CARLA REED, THEN JOHN MACK.

>> GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHRIST ENRIQUEZ, AND I LIVE IN THE RIVER CREST DRIVE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS AS SUPERVISOR PLUMBER MENTIONED EARLIER, AS WELL AS SUPERVISOR CRY, THERE'S A PROPOSAL FOR A DAY CENTER, EVENTUALLY A JAIL, ON 90 ACRES THERE.

THAT LAND IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M 1,000 FEET AWAY.

REGARDING THE MEN'S COMMUNITY REENTRY PROGRAM AND THIS PROPOSED FACILITY,

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IN AN ARTICLE BACK IN THE RECORD SEARCH LIGHT IN SEPTEMBER, SHERIFF JOHNSON STATED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ON-SITE HOUSING AT THIS FACILITY THAT IS GOING TO BE PROPOSED.

UNTIL, ACCORDING TO HIM, 30 YEARS LATER, WHEN THEY BUILT A JAIL.

HOWEVER, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE SAFETY OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE AS WE HOUSE THESE INDIVIDUALS OR MEMBERS OF THEIR FAMILY ARRIVE, THEN THERE ARE NO SERVICES IN OUR AREA TO SUPPORT OR ENHANCE SUCH A FACILITY.

I'M AGAINST THE MCR PROGRAM AND A FACILITY WITHIN THE PROXIMITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S NOT SAFE. THANK YOU.

>> UP NEXT, BEV FOLLOWED BY CARLA REED, JOHN MACK, THEN DELORES LUCERO.

>> GOOD MORNING. CLINT'S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THE ELECTION.

IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS THAT'S HAPPENED IN YEARS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING, AND HE KNOWS THE LAW.

I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT SHASTA COUNTY DID NOT USE MACHINES, AND THE VOTE FOR PROP 50 WAS ABOUT 30% YES AND 7% NO, WHERE THE REST OF THE COUNTIES THAT USE THE MACHINES WERE CLOSE TO 70% YES, AND 30% NO.

DOES THAT TELL YOU ANYTHING? FROM SOME OF THE ARTICLES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT OUT THERE.

I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE'RE IN THE SAME OFFICE.

WE WERE TOLD HAND COUNTING WOULD BE 25% ERROR FACTOR.

THE ONLY WAY THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF THE PEOPLE COUNTING WERE DRUNK COLLEGE STUDENTS.

IF YOU DIDN'T OBSERVE THE PROCESS YOURSELF, MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT PUTTING OUT GARBAGE AND YOU ARE NOT VULNERABLE TO SOMEONE SELLING YOU A BRIDGE.

WE WILL SEE IF THIS TIME THE STATE TOTALS FINALLY AGREE WITH THE COUNTY TOTALS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CARLA REED, FOLLOWED BY JOHN MACK, DELORS LUCERO, THEN TC.

>> HI. MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT BORDERS 7251 EASTSIDE ROAD WITH OVER 90 HOMES, HAS ONLY ONE STREET.

RIVER RANCH ROAD ENTER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ONLY TWO EXITS OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS TO ACCESS 273.

IN AN EMERGENCY, WE WOULD END UP LIKE PARADISE WITH NO ESCAPE.

EASTSIDE ROAD IS IN CONSTANT NEED OF POTHOLE REPAIRS FROM THE INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC THAT ALREADY UTILIZES IT.

THE STREETS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN IN NEED OF REPAIR FOR YEARS, AND THE RAIN DRAINAGE OFF OF R RANCHER ROAD IS INADEQUATE.

THE COUNTY HAS SHOWN THAT THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE NOT WILLING TO MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

ALL OF OUR HOMES USE WELLS FOR OUR WATER AND HAVE LEECH FIELDS.

CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS JAIL FACILITY WILL PROBABLY CONTAMINATE OUR WELLS OR, WORSE, RENDER THEM UNUSABLE, SO WE WILL NOT HAVE WATER FOR OUR HOMES.

THE USE OF PESTICIDES FOR YOUR INTENDED FARM COULD ALSO BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE ENJOYED THE FACT THAT WE ARE HIDDEN AWAY, AND MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THIS WILL END ONCE A JAIL IS BUILT.

SOME OF US ARE RETIRED, AND THIS IS OUR LIFE INVESTMENT.

ONCE A JAIL IS BUILT, THE VALUE OF OUR HOMES WILL PLUMMET.

THERE ARE FAMILIES JUST STARTING OUT WITH YOUNG CHILDREN.

RIGHT NOW, THEY PLAY IN THEIR YARDS AND THE STREET WITH KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY ARE SAFE.

THIS WILL END ONCE A JAIL IS BUILT NEXT TO OUR HOUSES.

THE SCHOOL BUS PICKS THEM UP ON THE STREET, AND IT IS DARK IN THE WINTERTIME WHILE THEY WAIT, SOMETIMES ALONE.

THIS SECURITY WILL BE BROKEN AS THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WITH CRIMINAL INTENT NOW ENTERING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTIES WITH THE EXPECTATION OF BEING IN A RURAL SETTING.

WE ARE ABLE TO ENJOY THE STARS IN NIGHT SKY.

LIGHTING FOR A JAIL WILL CREATE LIGHT POLLUTION, AND THIS WILL DISAPPEAR FOR US.

A JAIL WILL BRING NOISE.

>> JOHN MACK, FOLLOWED BY DELORS LUCERO.

THANK YOU. TC, THEN SCOTT MAMER.

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>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JOHN MACK.

I LIVE AT 19090 SHADOW LANE IN ANDERSON.

A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS APPROACHED ME AND SAID, HEY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A DETENTION FACILITY OVER THERE BEHIND HAVEN HUMANE SOCIETY.

AT THIS POINT, I'M STILL I'M NOT CLEAR AS TO WHAT THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT REALLY WOULD BE, BUT WE'VE HAD A NICE COMMUNITY THERE, SAFE, AND WE LIKE IT.

WE HAVE FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN.

WE HAVE SCHOOL BUSES.

IT'S A REGULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE'S ALSO SOME SMALL BUSINESSES.

THERE'S A MOBILE HOME PARK.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IF THE PEOPLE OVER OFF OF GERVAN KNOW ABOUT THIS PROJECT OR NOT.

BUT PUTTING A FACILITY OF THIS TYPE WOULD CREATE AN AREA OF DANGER FOR WHAT IT'S A SAFE COMMUNITY.

AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS, OF COURSE, A LOT OF THESE FAMILIES ARE JUST GOING TO MOVE OUT, AND THAT'S GOING TO DECREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES, AND THAT'S REALLY NOT FAIR TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

A PROJECT AT THIS TIME, IN MY OPINION, DOESN'T BELONG IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WOULD BE BETTER SOMEPLACE ELSE.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GIVE THIS YOUR CONSIDERATION.

BECAUSE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD DO IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> EXCUSE ME, SIR. DID YOU COACH BASEBALL?

>> OH, YES. I WAS YOUR COACH.

>> YEAH. '93.

>> OF WINTER LEAGUE.

>> WINTER LEAGUE. YEAH.

>> I REMEMBER YOU WELL.

KEVIN, I WILL SAY THIS ABOUT KEVIN.

THIS GUY'S RICK VERSATILE.

HE COULD PLAY ANY POSITION.

>> TERRIBLY. I COULD PLAY ANY POSITION TERRIBLY.

>> YOU WEREN'T TERRIBLE. YOU WERE ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD.

I JUST HEARD YOUR VOICE.

I'M LIKE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE COACH MACK. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> HEY. WITH THIS MOMENT, REALLY QUICK, IF YOU'RE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GUYS COULD DO ME A HUGE FAVOR AND JUST GET AN EMAIL LIST BACK THERE TOGETHER BECAUSE I'VE REACHED OUT TO COACH BAGLEY, WHO WAS HIS TEACHER AT PARSONS, AND I COACHED THERE WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE.

IF YOU COULD COLLECT YOUR NUMBERS, THAT WOULD SAVE ME A LOT OF TIME, AND WE COULD PROBABLY GET THAT MEETING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

GOOD TO SEE A COACH. YES, SORRY. WELCOME.

>> JUST SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA C2 HAS A JUDGMENT, AND ALSO THEY'VE BEEN SUSPENDED, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT.

I KNOW IT'S UNDER CONSENT ITEM.

I LOOK UNDER THE SECRETARY OF STATE.

YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT YOU VOTE, AND HOW YOU NEED TO DO MORE HOMEWORK, BUT THAT'S THERE.

BUT ANYWAYS, THE LAST MEETING THAT I ATTENDED IN THE HALLWAY, MR. CLINT CURTIS, I CONFRONTED HIM.

WHY DOES HE THINK IT'S OKAY TO CHEAT AND LIE IN THE ELECTION DEPARTMENT? HE ACTUALLY CHALLENGED ME.

HE CHALLENGED ME, AND YOU KNOW I WON'T TOLERATE ANY MAN COMING UP TO ME AND TELLING ME, SUE ME.

HE WENT LIKE THIS: SUE ME.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE YOU ON.

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.

CLINT CURTIS SAID THAT, AND I HAD WITNESSES WHO ACTUALLY WATCH HIM SAY THAT.

THIS IS THE CLINT CURTIS WHO ACTUALLY RUNS OUR ELECTION DEPARTMENT.

THE DEMOCRAT THAT THE THREE REPUBLICANS APPOINTED IN THE ELECTION DEPARTMENT.

I'M GATHERING A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE.

MY CONCERN IS DISCRIMINATION.

I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THAT, AND I WILL PREPARE A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE BECAUSE YOU ARE VIOLATING ADA COMPLIANCE.

YOU'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ADA.

YOU HAVE VIOLATED MULTIPLE LAWS IN THIS CHAMBER WHEN CRYBABIES WHO COME UP HERE AND SAY, OH, I'M AFRAID, BUT IS BEV IS ASKING ME QUESTIONS.

OH, KEVIN, CAN YOU CLOSE THE CHAMBER NOW? THAT CRYBABY IS NOT AFRAID TO COME UP HERE AND SAY THINGS, OR EVEN SAY ANYTHING LIKE CALL MR. DAYTON PINKLING.

YOU HAVE NO BALLS IN THE HALLWAY WHERE HER CHILD WAS ON THE FLOOR.

THOSE WOMEN SHE'S NOT AFRAID, BUT YOU ARE VIOLATING UNDER GOVERNMENT CODE.

YOU ARE ACTUALLY A WRONGFUL CLOSING THE CHAMBER DOING CLOSED SESSION.

THERE'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADA.

YOU CANNOT CLOSE THIS CHAMBER.

>> THANK YOU.

>> TC, FOLLOWED BY SCOTT MAMER, ASHLEY, WAYMAN, THEN DON DUCKETT.

IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUE. OKAY, DON.

>> THANK YOU, DON. WELCOME. IF YOU WANT TO PULL THAT DOWN, THERE YOU GO.

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>> OUR LATEST ELECTION IS NEARLY OVER.

THE RESULTS MAY MAKE YOU SMILE OR MAKE YOU GRIMACE.

BUT NO MATTER OUR POSITION ON THE ISSUES, WE MUST BE ABLE TO RELY UPON OUR ELECTION OFFICIALS TO BE TRUTHFUL ABOUT VOTE COUNTS.

ALTHOUGH THE OUTCOMES OF THE TWO ONLY TWO ISSUES ARE ON OUR BALLOT AND SHASTA COUNTY HAVE NEVER BEEN IN DOUBT.

FOR SOME REASON, THE NOVICE ROV AND HIS NOVICE ASSISTANT HAVE FAILED EVEN THAT SIMPLE REQUIREMENT.

WHY WOULD MR. CURTIS FEEL IT NECESSARY, LET ALONE APPROPRIATE TO LIE TO VOTERS AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF BALLOTS COUNTED AND THE NUMBER OF BALLOTS LEFT TO BE COUNTED? WHEN LOCAL MEDIA REPORTED ON THIS, HIS RESPONSE WAS TO THROW BLAME ON HIS STAFF, INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING HIS ERROR AND CORRECTING IT, AS ANY MATURE AND RESPONSIBLE ADULT WOULD DO.

RESPONSIBILITY, HONESTY, AND CAPABILITY ARE STANDARD REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY JOB, BUT ESPECIALLY THIS ONE.

HOW CAN VOTERS TRUST A PERSON WHO LIES AND THEN PROVES HIS DISHONESTY BY LYING ABOUT HIS RESPONSIBILITY AND CASTING BLAME ON SUBORDINATES?

>> THANK YOU.

>> SCOTT MAMER, FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY WAYMAN, DAVID HALLIGAN, THEN JEFF CORTER.

>> GOOD MORNING. A RIGHT-HANDED.

IT SHOULD BE SCOTT WAYMAN.

GUNNY AND THE MARINES USED TO SAY NO WAY, MAN AND SAY, YES, GUNNY.

I MOVED INTO THE RIVER RANCH NEIGHBORHOOD IN 2000 SHORTLY AFTER I DID GET OUT OF THE MARINE CORPS.

MY WIFE WILL BE SPEAKING NEXT.

BOTH OF MY CHILDREN ARE NOW ADULTS.

I RAISED BOTH OF THEM IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH ME.

I APPRECIATE WILLINGNESS TO HEAR THE CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS.

I SHARE ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT BEING PLACED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OF ABOUT 100 HOMES.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING, MY GOAL IS NOT TO OPPOSE DEVELOPMENT, PROGRESS OR BENEFICIAL PUBLIC SERVICES.

MY GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT ANY PROJECT IS PLACED IN A LOCATION THAT MAKES SENSE.

WHEN IT PROTECTS FAMILIES, PRESERVES SAFETY AND CHARACTER OF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMPLIES WITH ZONING, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS.

FORTUNATELY PLACE IN THIS PROJECT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FAILS TO MEET THOSE BASIC STANDARDS.

>> THE PROXIMITY RAISES LEGITIMATE SAFETY CONCERNS.

RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS INCLUDE CHILDREN, ELDERLY RESIDENTS, AND PEOPLE DESERVE A PREDICTABLE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT.

PROJECTS THAT INVOLVE INCREASED VEHICLE ACTIVITY, SERVICE DELIVERIES, CLIENTS, OR EQUIPMENT, CREATE RISKS THAT SIMPLY DO NOT BELONG IN A QUIET FAMILY ORIENTED COMMUNITIES.

RESPONSIBLE SITE FOR SUCH A PROJECT WILL PROVIDE PHYSICAL BUFFERS, SOMETHING THIS LOCATION CANNOT AFFORD OR OFFER.

THE PROJECT THREATENS A QUIET ENJOYMENT RESIDENTS ARE ENTITLED TO EVEN THE OPERATION CLAIMS TO BE LOW IMPACT, THE REALITY IS THAT ANY INCREASE IN NOISE, LIGHT POLLUTION, PARKING OVERFLOW OR LATE HOUR ACTIVITY WILL INEVITABLY DIMINISH THE LIVABILITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE ARE STRONG CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY IF LARGE VEHICLES OR FREQUENT VISITS ARE INVOLVED, CONGESTION, SAFETY HAZARDS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND ACCELERATED ROADWAR, ARE ALL FORESEEABLE CONSEQUENCES THAT SHOULD BE AVOIDED.

I THINK THE PROJECT CREATES POTENTIAL LIABILITY ISSUES, BOTH FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR NEARBY RESIDENTS.

COULD THIS HAVE BEEN PLACED SOMEWHERE SAFER? ALTERNATIVES THIS. PLEASE EXPLORE THE, I DON'T RESIST CHANGE. I IS NOT A GOOD AREA.

>> ASHLEY WYMAN, FOLLOWED BY DAVID HALLIGAN, JEFF GORDER, THEN CHRISTIAN GARDNER.

>> HI. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ATTENTION THE FACT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE NOT GIVEN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS INFORMATION REGARDING THE SCOPE AND DESIGNS OF THE PROJECT, ADEQUATE NOTICE AND OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND AS REQUIRED BY LAW.

IN FACT, WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT THE ISSUE WAS TABLED UNTIL JANUARY, AND NEITHER HAVE THE AGENCIES WITH APPROPRIATE JURISDICTION BEEN NOTIFIED.

IT IS A MATTER OF RECORD THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO ENDANGERED SPECIES WITHIN THE AREA PROPOSED, ELDERBERRY BEATLES AND THE WINTER RUN CHINOOK SALMON, WHICH FACE IMMEDIATE EXTINCTION.

IT IS ALSO A MATTER OF RECORD THAT SEVERAL RESIDENTS OF THE RIVER RANCH SUBDIVISION ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING GROUNDWATER PROBLEMS, WHICH MAY BE EXASPERATED BY THIS PROJECT.

THAT'S JUST THE START.

THE PROPOSED PROJECT IGNORES THE APPROPRIATE TRAFFIC STUDIES, NECESSARY AND A NUMBER OF OTHER UNSPECIFIED ISSUES.

LOSS OF CRITICAL WILDLIFE HABITAT, IMPACT ON MORE THAN ONE ALREADY DESIGNATED ENDANGERED SPECIES, ZERO CRITICAL INFORMATION PERTAINING TO

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NEITHER HAS OUR ELECTED BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RESPONDED TO REPORT OR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT OR TO A NUMBER OF OBVIOUS AND SUBSTANTIAL ISSUES OR GIVEN US THE TIME OF DAY REGARDING REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE SCOPE AND DESIGNS OF THE PROJECT.

THE RESIDENTS IN THE PUBLIC HAVE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OR AWARENESS AND HAVE NOT BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE IMPACT THAT THIS WILL HAVE ON THEM IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT.

YOU ARE PUSHING FORWARD AN AGENDA THAT WE HAD NO SAY ON BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT TAKEN THE PROPER REQUIRED STEPS REQUIRED BY LAW.

ME AND THE RESIDENTS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT ARE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS STOP ALL AGENDA ITEMS ON THIS MOMENT.

THAT PUSHED THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

>> MISS WILLIAM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I WAS IN CONTACT WITH MISS BAGLEY.

>> WE HAD TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS YOU WERE INVITED TO WEDNESDAY.

SHE CALLED YOU ON.

>> NO, NO. I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LET ME.

SHE HAD A MEETING SET UP ON THURSDAY WITH ME AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I TOLD HER NUMEROUS TIMES, THE BEST WAY TO GET HOLD OF ME IS VIA TEXT, NOT VIA E MAIL.

SHE CALLED ME WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

I WAS IN ANOTHER MEETING, AND SHE SAID YOU'RE NOT HERE, AND I SAID, I'M GOING TO MEET WITH YOU TOMORROW.

SHE SAYS, WELL, I SENT YOU A TEXT.

I SAID, IT WAS NOT A TEXT. YOU DID NOT SEND ME A TEXT. I DON'T HAVE A TEXT.

WELL, I SENT AN E MAIL. SHE SAYS THE SAME THING.

I SAID, I DID NOT CHECK MY E MAIL FOLDER.

I WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS ON THURSDAY.

I SENT HER A TEXT YESTERDAY AND TOLD HER THAT MYSELF, CHAIRMAN CRAY AND THE SHERIFF WOULD GLADLY MEET WITH YOU GUYS, AND I DID NOT HEAR A RESPONSE FROM HER.

AGAIN, I WAS GOING TO BE THERE ON THURSDAY.

WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING SET UP.

YOU GUYS CHANGED AT THE LAST MINUTE, AND NO ONE LET ME KNOW.

>> WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT GUYS WERE GIVING TO NICHOLS, MELBURG, AND ROSETTO TODAY WITH THE FULL LAYOUT AND PLAN OF THIS DAY CENTER WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT 45% OF THE 90 ACRE PARCEL IS GOING TO BE A 1,200 PLUS ACRE FACILITY AS A JAIL.

>> HERE'S WHAT WE'LL DO. NO, I UNDERSTAND.

>> THIS IS INSANE.

THERE'S A DAY CENTER FOR YOU MOVING IT FROM BREATH LOWER TO HERE.

>> LISTEN HOLD ON. LISTEN. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT SPEAKER.

SUPERVISOR KELS JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP.

HERE'S WHAT I'LL TELL YOU. STILL, I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO STAY.

THEN WHETHER YOU STAY TELL PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> THIS IS INSANE.

>> HOLD ON REAL QUICK. LISTEN. HOLD ON.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT IT, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO CLEAR IT UP.

THE SHERIFF'S TEXT TO ME RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO COME TO PROBABLY COACH MOCKS HOUSE.

HE'S GOING TO GET HIS GLOVE OUT.

NO, BUT IN ALL HONESTY, WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND.

IT'S NOT AN AGENDIZED ITEM, SO I CAN'T GO INTO DETAIL, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SIT DOWN WITH YOU GUYS.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR NEXT SPEAKER, HANG OUT, OR I'LL GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL CELL, AND WE CAN TALK AFTER.

THANK YOU. MR. HALLIGAN, COME ON.

I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW RESPECTFUL YOU GUYS ARE, BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS GROUP AND HOW RESPECTFUL YOU GUYS ARE AND OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE OPPOSED CERTAIN THINGS.

THERE WE GO. HERE WE GO.

>> IT'S BEEN 336 HOURS FROM NOVEMBER 4TH, 14 DAYS SINCE ELECTION DAY.

WHERE HAS THE $136,000 PURCHASE IN TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT MADE A DIFFERENCE IN SHASTA COUNTY TO THIS POINT? MR. CURTIS STATED HIS RESULTS WOULD BE LOOKED TO AS THE GOLD STANDARD FOR CALIFORNIA COUNTIES AND STATES TO EMULATE.

AS OF THIS MORNING, 17 COUNTIES INCLUDING TRINITY COUNTY, I HEAR THEY HAVE A NEW HOT SHOT EMPLOYEE THEY HIRED OUT OF SHASTA COUNTY.

YES, THERE ARE 17 COUNTIES IN THE STATE THAT HAVE COMPLETED ALL COUNTING OF THEIR BALLOTS.

WHERE SHASTA COUNTY? WELL, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET.

WE'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS COMPLETING THE UNPROCESSED BALLOTS.

THE ELECTION TEAM SEEMS TO BE ON THE STRUGGLE BUS, DRIVEN BY THE SHIRTLESS DRIVER BUS DRIVER CLINT CURTIS.

ON THAT BUS IS THE SECOND IN COMMAND, MR. TURNER, LEADING THE EMPLOYEES IN HIS FAVORITE SONG, THE BLAME GAME.

YES, HIS CHORUS GOES LIKE THIS.

FRANCESCA IS TO BLAME, ISN'T THAT A SHAME? A REAL CATCHY TUNE, MR. TURNER.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN CURTIS CRASHES THE BUS INTO A DITCH.

OF COURSE, MR. CURTIS TOLD THE READING POLICE OFFICER, DON'T BLAME ME.

I HIT A BUNCH OF POTHOLES ON THESE SHASTA COUNTY ROADS.

YES, OFFICER, KATHY DARLING ALLEN PUT THEM THERE.

IT'S THE BLAME GAME.

SECOND, VERSE, SAME AS THE FIRST.

MR. CURTIS, GETTING OFF TO A FAST START ON THE BALLOT COUNTY IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT SEEING IT THROUGH TO COMPLETION IN AN ACCURATE AND TIMELY MANNER.

MR. CURTIS, TECHNOLOGY IS A POWER INSTRUMENT.

YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE THE BUS DRIVERS OF LONG TERM SUCCESS, PROGRESS, AND MEANINGFUL OUTCOME.

MR. CURTIS, YOU'RE DRIVING THE BUS AROUND WITH YOUR SHIRT OFF WITH GPS,

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YES, SHASTA COUNTY, THE WHEELS ON THE ELECTION BUS GO ROUND AND ROUND, ROUND AND ROUND.

WHEN THE BUS STOPS AT ITS FINAL DESTINATION, COMPLETION, NOBODY KNOWS.

[APPLAUSE]

>> NEXT UP, JEFF GORDER, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIAN GARDNER, THEN MARK FEB, THEN STEVE H.

>> GOOD MORNING. REGARDING OUR RECENT ELECTION, I OBSERVED ENOUGH AND READ ENOUGH TO FEEL CONFIDENT IN MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT NO OBJECTIVE OBSERVER OF THAT RECENT PROCESS COULD SAY THAT IT MET THE GOLD STANDARD FOR THE REST OF THE STATE, LET ALONE THE COUNTRY.

ANY ATTEMPT TO SPIN THIS AS A RESOUNDING SUCCESS SUPERIOR TO ALL THAT CAME BEFORE IS JUST THAT SPIN.

AT TIMES, WATCHING ROV CURTIS AND ASSISTANT ROV TURNER WAS LIKE WATCHING LAUREL AND HARDY SLAPSTICK COMEDY, RATHER THAN A PAIR OF ELECTION PROFESSIONALS WHO KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL FOR THE BOARD TO DEMAND AN AFTER ACTION ANALYSIS FROM ROV CURTIS AS TO HOW HE'S GOING TO REMEDY THE PROBLEMS THAT EVERYONE SAW BEFORE ANY MORE MONEY IS ALLOCATED TO HIM.

HOW IS HE GOING TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS? CLINT CAN'T JUST AS EVERYBODY SAID, CLINT CAN'T JUST RELY ON THE BLAME GAME, THAT IT WAS ALL STAFF'S FAULT.

THEY TRIED TO SET ME UP, THAT KATHY ALLEN AND JOANNA FRANCESCA WERE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO MAKE ME FAIL.

IT SEEMS LIKE HE WENT TO THE KEVIN CRAY SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT, WHERE HE LEARNED NOT TO ACCEPT ANY RESPONSIBILITY, RATHER BLAME OTHERS, INCLUDING YOUR OWN STAFF AND FORMER STAFF, IF YOU HAVE TO.

THIS WAS AN EASY ELECTION.

IT'S PROBABLY AS EASY OF AN ELECTION AS WE'LL EVER HAVE.

JUNE AND NOVEMBER OF BEING MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.

BEFORE CURTIS GETS ANY MORE MONEY, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW HE PROPOSES TO FIX WHAT WENT WRONG. THANK YOU.

>> CHRISTIAN GARDNER, FOLLOWED BY MARK FEBACK, STEVE KAH, THEN CLINT CURTIS.

IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE.

>> ARE WE SURPRISED, NO, HARDLY? I'M GOING TO REFERENCE SOMETHING FROM SHASTA COUNTY.

ARE YOU SHARING INFORMATION WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT?

>> YES, I AM. THE FEDERAL JUSTICE? DID THEY INITIATE THE CALL, OR DID YOU? THEY DID, BUT I WOULD HAVE.

YOU SEE, I'VE SEEN THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, FRAUD.

IF THEY INDICT A FEW PEOPLE HERE OR THERE IN OTHER PLACES.

WELL, SIMILAR TO OURS.

WELL, IT JUST MIGHT STOP.

SHASTA COUNTY. WHO ARE YOU HOPING TO BE INDICTED? THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE. HE DOESN'T GET IT.

SHASTA COUNTY, TOM TOLLER, OR JOANNA FRANCESCUT.

ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS PUT INTO THE OFFICE, AND YOU DID IT FOR A REASON BECAUSE HE'S AN ELECTION, DENYING LIAR.

THIS GUY COULDN'T RUN A TWO ITEM.

VOTE WITHOUT RUNNING IT INTO THE GROUND.

ARE WE SURPRISED? NO. BUT THIS IS THE DEAL.

THIS IS DONE ON PURPOSE BECAUSE CHAIR CRAY SPECIFICALLY ASKED EVERY CANDIDATE, ARE YOU GOING TO IMPLEMENT TRUMP'S EXECUTIVE ORDER? OF COURSE, THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN ANYMORE THAN THE STATE OF JEFFERSON IS GOING TO TAKE OVER SHASTA COUNTY.

ARE WE SURPRISED? HARDLY. HERE'S WHAT THE LEAD UP IS.

THE HOBBS INITIATIVE GOING ONTO THE BALLOT.

YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE SWEATING BULLETS BECAUSE THIS THING COULD COST THE COUNTY MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

I DOUBT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CERTIFY THAT IF IT PASSES SHASTA COUNTY, IT MIGHT, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THIS IS THE LEAD FROM DAY 1 IS TO IMPLEMENT AND IMPLEMENT FRAUD, LEGITIMIZE IT, TO DIVIDE OUR COUNTY, SO FAR ARE YOU DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MARK FEBACK, FOLLOWED BY STEVE KAH CLINT CURTIS, THEN NICK GARDNER.

>> HI, I'M MARK FEBACK.

I LIVE IN THE RIVER RANCH AREA, AND I'M IN OPPOSITION OF THE MCRP AND THE REQUESTING FUNDING, I THINK IT WILL MAKE US BEHOLDEN TO THE STATE.

WHY WOULD WE SEND A LETTER OF THE MCRP TO OTHER COUNTIES.

WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE BEING BUSSED IN HERE THAT NEED THESE REHABILITATIVE SERVICES.

THE OPTICS ARE, YOU'RE MAKING SHASTA COUNTY MORE WELCOME TO PEOPLE IN NEED OF THESE SERVICES.

WHY WOULDN'T WE MAKE THE COUNTY TAKE THE STAND OF DETERRENCE AND MOVE THEM OUT OF OUR COUNTRY OR OUR COUNTY?

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THE JAILS NOT AT CAPACITY ALREADY.

THEN YOU LEASE THIS LAND FOR $1.

DOESN'T SEEM LIKE TO ME, YOU GUYS ARE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR MONEY.

THEN TO PUT ON TOP OF IT, WE'RE GOING TO DO A SALES TAX INCREASE.

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THANKS.

>> THANK YOU. STEVE KAH, FOLLOWED BY CLINT CURTIS, NICK GARDNER, HARRY MADISON.

>> MORNING BOARD, STAFF, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

FIRST OF ALL, ON THIS PROJECT, THEY'RE DOING WITH THE 90 ACRES DOWN OFF OF 273.

THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF MISUNDERSTANDING HERE, I CAN TELL.

IT'S 90 ACRES, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL, SO I THINK A LOT OF OTHER BAD THINGS COULD HAPPEN WITH THAT PROPERTY.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING HERE.

I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO BECOME KNOWLEDGEABLE ON IT.

CRAY, YOU STATED THAT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WITH REGARDS TO THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CAMPUS WERE WITHDRAWING THEIR SUPPORT, I'D LOVE TO KNOW THOSE PEOPLE.

GIVE ME A LIST, BECAUSE BECAUSE I'D REALLY LIKE TO TALK TO THEM AND SEE WHY THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND, BECAUSE YOU STATED THAT, AND YET I HAVE SEEN NOTHING.

IN FACT, ALL I HAVE HEARD IS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE WEIGHED IN WITH SUPPORT FOR THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CAMPUS.

I BELIEVE PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR DECISIONS.

THEY MAKE, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT IMPACTS THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S FROM A POSITION OF POWER OVER THE PEOPLE, AND MAKING DECISIONS THAT IMPACT THE PEOPLE.

THIS DECISION THAT HARMON, KELSTROM, AND CRAY MADE, ALONG WITH KRISTI COLEMAN'S SUPPORT, WHICH TO ME, SEEMED PRETTY CLEAR SHE CHANGED VERY SHORTLY BEFORE THE MEETING BECAUSE OF HER CONCERNS WERE POORLY PUT TOGETHER AND WERE BASICALLY ANSWERED AT THE MEETING, IN MY OPINION, BUT THIS WILL HAVE AN IMPACT.

THIS IS GOING TO COST LIVES.

I HOPE YOU GUYS REALIZE THAT.

I HOPE YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU READ ABOUT ANOTHER OD OR ANOTHER SUICIDE FROM A MENTAL HEALTH INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS UNABLE TO GET HELP.

THIS WOULD HAVE HELPED A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CAUSING THAT.

NOW, CRAY, I'M NOT MENTIONING YOU IN THIS BECAUSE I HONESTLY DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY.

>> CLINT CURTIS, FOLLOWED BY NICK GARDNER, HARRY MADISON, THEN MATTHEW VAN SCOTTER.

IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE.

>> HEY, PLEASE DON'T GET YOUR FIRST WARNING. HI, EVERYBODY.

[LAUGHTER] I WANTED TO SAY WE ACTUALLY HAD A GREAT ELECTION, AND IT IS CATCHING NOTICE.

WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM SAN DIEGO, PEOPLE FROM ORANGE COUNTY, PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE CALLING AND WANTING TO SEE IT.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF GOVERNOR CANDIDATES WHO IS COMING UP TO SEE IT AND ALL THAT THING.

THE STAFF, WHILE A LITTLE RELUCTANT, I WILL GIVE THEM THAT, DID FINALLY MAKE IT THROUGH, AND WE GOT IT DONE.

I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY BECAUSE THERE WERE NO ISSUES.

ALL THIS HATE YOU SEE HERE WAS NOT AT THE ELECTIONS OFFICE.

ANYONE WHO WAS THERE WOULD SEE THAT THERE WERE ABSOLUTELY NO INCIDENTS, NO FIGHTS, NOTHING.

WE ALSO HAD NO SECURITY.

BEFORE THEY HAD FIGHTS AND ARGUMENTS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS, AND SECURITY GUARDS, SIX OF THEM IN THAT ONE LITTLE BUILDING.

WE HAD NONE, AND WE HAD ZERO INCIDENTS INSIDE OR OUTSIDE.

THE 1% AUDIT WAS SUPPOSEDLY VERY CONTENTIOUS, I'M TOLD.

I WAS ALL GEARED UP, READY TO TAKE IT ON, NOTHING.

NICE, SMOOTH, COUNTED 100%, AND THEY SHOULD COUNT 100% IF YOU'VE GOT CAMERAS THAT CAN WATCH THEM, WHICH IS THE KEY.

IF YOU COUNT THOSE BALLOTS, THEY BETTER MATCH.

THOSE MACHINES CANNOT BE TAMPERED WITH, AND THAT IS THE GOAL.

EVERYONE THAT'S COME IN TO GIVE THE TOUR.

WE SHOW EVERYONE.

THEY CAN SEE EVERYTHING.

THEY CAN SEE EVERY BALLOT.

EVERY BALLOT IS LOCKED UP TIGHT.

EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S GOING TO BE COUNTED CORRECTLY.

THE ONLY SECURITY FLAW WOULD, OF COURSE, BE THE ROB BECAUSE THEY COULD INJECT ANYTHING THEY WANTED INTO THE SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHY I'LL BE TAKING A POLYGRAPH TO SHOW THAT I DID NOT.

AFTER EVERY ELECTION, WE'RE GOING TO PROVE TO THE COUNTY THAT NOTHING EVER HAPPENED.

I THINK THIS WILL BE A PERFECT EXAMPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND WE DID WELL.

>> CAN I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION.

WHAT IS THERE THIS DISCREPANCY ABOUT AN ORIGINAL AMOUNT OF BALLOTS TO BE COUNTED AND THEN THAT CHANGED.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THAT COMES FROM?

>> WELL, ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU DO IS THEY WANT. [OVERLAPPING]

>> MR. CHAIRMAN IF WE CAN AGENDIZE THAT.

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>> I'LL BE ASKING THAT QUESTION.

>> LATER.

>> WE'RE OKAY. YES.

>> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]

>> NEXT UP NICK GARDNER, FOLLOWED BY HARRY MADISON, MATTHEW VANSCOTER, DEBORAH KAY.

>> THERE'S A FAMILY IN SHASTA COUNTY HERE, WHOSE 12-YEAR-OLD GIRL WANTED TO TRANSITION TO A BOY, AND THE FAMILY WAS AGAINST IT.

THE GIRL'S BEEN JERKED OUT OF THE HOME.

THE PARENTS HAVEN'T SEEN THE CHILD FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.

SUNDAY MORNING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, THE MOTHER IS GOING TO BE ON POKE THE HORNET'S NEST.

THAT'S SOMETHING FUNNY ABOUT THAT?

>> YEAH. [INAUDIBLE].

>> I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TUNE IN TO 1460 KC AND OUR 1460.COM 96.5 FM 1460 AM AND LISTEN TO THE MOTHER STORY BECAUSE THIS STUFF IS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THE SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, TOMORROW MORNING AT 8:30 ON RIGHT SIDE OF THE NEWS, A MOUNTAINTOPMEDIA.COM/READING, CLINT CURTIS IS GOING TO BE ON.

HE'S GOING TO TELL US IN DEPTH HOW WELL THIS ELECTION RAN.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TUNE IN TO THAT.

MAYBE IF THE NASERS HERE DON'T LIKE IT, I COULD PROBABLY LINE UP A TIME WHEN CLINT COULD BE ON, AND THEY COULD CALL IN AND ASK QUESTIONS IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

THE PEOPLE BACK HERE THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DAYCARE CENTER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

ONE OF THEM SAID THAT THEIR WELL WATER, THEIR WELL LEVEL WAS GOING DOWN.

TOMORROW AT 5:30 AT LIMA RANCH, THEY'RE HAVING A GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY AGENCY IS HAVING A MEETING.

STAFF HOPE TO MINIMIZE COSTS FOR RESIDENTS WHILE ENSURING SUSTAINABLE GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT.

THIS BUREAUCRATS ARE GOING TO START CHARGING US FOR A WATER.

I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO THAT MEETING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> HARRY MADISON, FOLLOWED BY MATTHEW VANSCOTER, FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH KAY, THEN JENNY.

IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME'S HARRY MADISON, IHSS CAREGIVER.

WE SHOW UP FOR OUR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES EVERY DAY BY PROVIDING ESSENTIAL LONG TERM CARE.

FOR THE PAST 11 MONTHS, YOU'VE FAILED TO SHOW UP FOR US AT ALL.

COUNTLESS IHSS WORKERS HAVE STOOD BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR WORK, BUT THE BOARD CONTINUES TO DENY US A FAIR COMPENSATION.

IF YOU WON'T HONOR AND APPRECIATE OUR WORK, WE'LL DO IT OURSELVES.

WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION TO READ, RECOGNIZING OUR WORK AND CONTRIBUTIONS AND PROCLAIMING THAT NOVEMBER IS A CAREGIVERS, RECOGNIZING CAREGIVERS FOR THE MONTH, WHICH IS A NATIONAL MOVEMENT, TOO, AND I FAIL TO SEE WHY THIS BOARD CANNOT BE A PART OF THAT.

WHEREAS IN HOME SUPPORTIVE SERVICES PROVIDERS ARE THE BACKBONE OF LONG TERM CARE IN SHASTA COUNTY, [INAUDIBLE] AND SENIORS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO LIVE WITH DIGNITY, INDEPENDENCE, AND SAFETY IN THEIR OWN HOMES SURROUNDED BY THEIR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES.

WHEREAS WITHIN SHASTA COUNTY, 04,500 DEDICATED IHSS PROVIDERS DELIVER COMPASSIONATE CARE TO THEIR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS, SAVING TAXPAYERS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND YOU ARE CONCERNED AND YOU WORK HARD TO GET BETTER MEDICAL CARE, AND YET YOU IGNORE THE BEST SAVINGS YOU CAN MAKE.

THE UNION REPRESENTS A HALF A MILLION LONG TERM CARE WORKERS ACROSS 38 COUNTIES IN CALIFORNIA AND SERVES AS ARE THE LEADING VOICE AND ADVOCATE [NOISE] FOR LOW QUALITY CARE.

WHEREAS THE IHSS PROVIDERS DEMAND TREMENDOUS SCALE, PATIENCE AND HEART, YET ARE TOO OFTEN UNDERVALUED AND UNDERPAID.

RECOGNIZING AND COMPENSATING THIS WORKFORCE FAIRLY IS ESSENTIAL TO UPGRADING BOTH ECONOMIC JUSTICE AND HUMAN DIGNITY.

WHEREAS ACROSS CALIFORNIA LONG TERM WORKERS ARE ORGANIZING AND LEADING TO LIFT CARE STANDARDS, SECURE LIVING WAGES, AND ENSURE THAT THIS PROFESSION IS SO CRITICAL PUBLIC HEALTH.

>> NEXT UP, MATTHEW VANSCOTER, FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH KAY, FOLLOWED BY JENNY THEN BENJAMIN NOWAIN.

>> OF COURSE, MY NAME IS MATTHEW VANSCOTER.

I'M IHSS CAREGIVER, AS WELL AS UNION.

YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN ME SEVERAL TIMES TO GO OFF OF WHAT HENRY WAS SAYING.

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO GO AWAY FROM THE SCRIPT I WAS WRITING BECAUSE I'D RATHER ACTUALLY SHARE A STORY THAT I GOT TO DEAL WITH THIS LAST WEEK.

ONE OF OUR CAREGIVERS, WHO IS A REALLY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.

I BROUGHT HER UP BEFORE.

HER 3-YEAR-OLD HAS AG TUBE AND HAS TO BE INUNDATED WITH MEDICATIONS AND FOOD THREE TIMES A DAY.

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SHE SPENT THE WHOLE LAST WEEK WITH HIM IN THE HOSPITAL, WHICH IS VERY HARD TO DEAL WITH WHEN YOU HAVE A 3-YEAR-OLD THAT DOESN'T WANT TO SIT STILL AND BE TAKEN CARE OF. THAT IS WHAT WE DO.

WE TRAIN. WE TRAINED A NURSE IN THE HOSPITAL LAST WEEK ON HOW TO HANDLE THE TYPE OF WORK WE DO AT HOME.

SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO SPECIALIZE AND KNOW HOW TO DO AND TO KEEP A 3-YEAR-OLD ALIVE.

HIS OLDER SISTER WHO'S FIVE, HAS A SURGERY COMING UP.

SHE'S NOT A NAGS CLIENT, BUT SHE'S ABOUT TO BE GOING IN FOR A SURGERY.

THIS MOM HAS TO GO AND MAKE SURE THAT SHE IS TAKING CARE OF BOTH KIDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR HEALTH AND SAFETY IS ON PAR TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE ON AN EVERYDAY NOTICE, WHILE ON TOP OF TRYING TO BALANCE A FULL TIME JOB.

WE ARE UNFORTUNATELY NOT PAID [NOISE] WILLING TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE'RE ASKED NOT JUST AS A FAMILY, BUT AS CAREGIVERS.

TO GO OFF OF WHAT HARRY WAS SAYING, WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR NOVEMBER TO BE A HEALTHCARE AWARENESS MONTH.

NOT JUST FOR US IHSS UNION REPS, BUT HONESTLY FOR ALL HEALTH CAREGIVERS, OR FACILITIES FOR HOSPITALS, BECAUSE A LOT OF US ARE REALLY OVERLOOKED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. [NOISE]

>> NEXT UP, DEBORAH KAY, FOLLOWED BY JENNY, BENJAMIN NOWAIN, THEN LESLIE.

IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE.

>> GOOD MORNING, ALL. I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ELECTION.

I ATTENDED THE ELECTION ON THE DAY OF NOVEMBER 4TH, FROM 7:00 TO 10:00 PM.

WHILE IN THE OFFICE THAT EVENING, THE SCREEN MONITORS IN THE OBSERVER ROOM WERE NOT CONNECTING TO THE WORKSTATIONS, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE MEANINGFUL OBSERVATION.

YOU COULD SEE THE TWO WORKSTATIONS WITH TWO PEOPLE COUNTING BATCHES OF 50 BALLOTS ALONG WITH A THIRD PERSON THAT PUT THE BALLOTS IN THE MACHINE.

TO REGISTER THE COUNT, BUT NO DETAIL WAS VIEWABLE ON THE SCREEN FOR BATCH NUMBER, PRECINCT, OR ANY OTHER DETAIL.

THE ONLINE AV CAPTURE ALL VIEWING WAS SPORADIC AFTER 8:00 PM THAT NIGHT.

ONLY TWO WORK STATIONS WERE VIEWABLE INTERMITTENTLY.

I OBSERVED A LOT OF DOWNTIME DURING THE FIRST WEEK WITH THE EXTRA HELP STAFF SITTING AROUND AND NO WORK BEING DONE.

IT APPEARED THAT ROV CURTIS BALLOT PROCESS WAS NOT RUNNING SMOOTH.

I ASKED ASSISTANT ROV BRENT TURNER A FEW QUESTIONS ON WHAT ARE THE STEPS IN THIS NEW PROCESS.

HIS RESPONSE WAS HE WOULD NOT FALL INTO A TRAP AND ANSWER THAT.

I EXPLAINED IN THE PAST WHEN OBSERVING THERE WERE PERSONNEL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON WHAT ACTIVITY WAS TAKING PLACE.

IT WAS DISAPPOINTING THAT THIS WAS NOT AVAILABLE, NOR WAS THERE ANY WRITTEN MATERIAL [NOISE] ON THE NEW CURTIS PROCESS.

ON 1:17 REPORT TO THE STATE, THERE WAS THE LARGE DISCREPANCY OF 40,898 VOTES.

WEEK 2, THERE WAS NO BALLOT PROCESSING, AND WITH RESUMPTION ON 11, 12, AND 14 THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT THE 1% TALLY.

AND 11, 12 WAS WHEN IT WAS STARTED.

CURTIS THEN DETERMINED ANOTHER DRAW WOULD BE NECESSARY ON FRIDAY THE 14TH AT 9:00.

WHEN WE ARRIVED, IT WAS CHANGED TO MONDAY 11:17. [NOISE]

>> NEXT UP, JENNY, FOLLOWED BY BENJAMIN NOWAIN, LESLIE, THEN ADAM SIGERSON.

>> IT'S A TOUGH THING TO SUM UP ONE'S EXISTENCE IN ONLY TWO MINUTES.

IF ALL GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN, THIS IS MY LAST BOARD MEETING BEFORE I GO TO TRIAL.

AT BEST, THIS IS ONE OF MANY MORE MEETINGS THAT I'LL ATTEND, AND AT WORST, THIS IS MY FINAL AND GREATEST SPEECH BEFORE SENTENCING IS CARRIED OUT.

I'M SENT TO JAIL.

IT'S A LOT TO PUT IN ONE SPEECH.

I'M KNOW MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR, AND THIS IS NO, I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH.

FOR HISTORY, THESE TWO MINUTES WILL BE SHORT AND FORGOTTEN, BUT FOR ME, IT'S MY CLOSURE AND MY FINALITY.

THESE LAST FEW YEARS, I'VE BECOME FAMOUS FOR THREE MINUTE SPEECHES BEHIND THE DIOS, WHICH REALLY ONLY HIGHLIGHTS THE DYSFUNCTION OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNANCE.

TO BE KNOWN FOR THE MOST MUNDANE ACTION IS MIND BLOWING.

BOARD MEETINGS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE BORING.

NOW I HAVE TO WRAP IT UP, PUT SOME FINALITY ON IT.

I'M GOING TO BE KNOWN FOR WHAT? SO FAR, IT HAS BEEN THE CRUELTY OF THE BOARD ITSELF AND MY ABILITY TO ENDURE IT.

BUT THAT SEEMS UNFAIR, UNFAIR TO ALL INVOLVED.

SO FAR, CHAKRA, YOU'VE BECOME THE VILLAIN IN MY STORY.

I DON'T WANT THAT FOR EITHER OF US.

WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN, GOD WILL NOT CARE ABOUT THESE SPEECHES.

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HE WON'T CARE ABOUT POLITICAL GAMES AND WHO WON AND WHO LOST.

HE'S ONLY GOING TO ASK ONE QUESTION, DID YOU LOVE? HE'S GOING TO ASK WHEN THE EPILEPTIC [NOISE] WAS THERE, DID YOU SAVE THEM? WHEN THE IHSS WORKER ASKED FOR BETTER WAGES, DID YOU FEED THEM? DID YOU KEEP THEM? DID YOU LOVE? YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU WEREN'T THE ONE WHO HELD THE CAMERA THAT HURT ME LAST WEEK, BUT YOU CERTAINLY DIDN'T HELP.

YOU DIDN'T PUT UP A SIGN.

KING DAVID WAS STILL HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE KILLING OF GOLIATH, EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT THE ONE WHO DID IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> BENJAMIN NOWAIN, FOLLOWED BY LESLIE, ADAM SIGERSON, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIAN SIGERSON.

>> CHEER CRYE. YOU CAST YOURSELF AS A LONE TRUTH TELLER OF THE WATCHDOG WHO ISN'T PLAYING POLITICS.

BUT I'M HERE TODAY AS THE HUSBAND OF A DISABLED WOMAN WHO HAD A SEIZURE IN THIS BUILDING AFTER THE COUNTY REFUSED A SIMPLE 88 ACCOMMODATION REQUEST.

NOW, WHEN THE COUNTY WILL NOT PROTECT DISABLED RESIDENTS SITTING IN THIS ROOM, IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS AT THE BALLOT BOX.

YOU CANNOT TELL US THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS, AND THEN USE YOUR PLATFORMS TO MISLEAD THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING IN OUR ELECTIONS.

NOW, MR. CURTIS JUST STOOD HERE AND SAID THERE WERE NO FIGHTS OR SECURITY ISSUES.

WHAT HE LEFT OUT IS THAT STAFFER FOR CONGRESSMAN LA MALFA BRENDA HAYNES, WAS ALLOWED TO WALK AROUND THE BALLOT TABULATION AREA WITHOUT ESCORT THAT TURNED INTO A CONFRONTATION BETWEEN PATRICK JONES, A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND ASSISTANT ROV BRENT TURNER.

NOW, MY WIFE HAS IT ON VIDEO.

THESE ARE A CURATED VERSION OF THESE EVENTS THAT YOU'RE BEING GIVEN.

THE TRUTH IS THAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE TO CAUSE DISRUPTIONS IN THE OFFICE NOW WORK INSIDE THE OFFICE.

THERE'S A TRAIL CAM IN THE BACK, THAT ONE ELECTION.

PEOPLE WHO STORM THE OFFICE DEMANDING SPECIAL STICKERS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE HIRED NOW AS EXTRA HELP, AND YOU KEEP TELLING US THAT YOU DID NOT COST US MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, YET WE ARE STUCK WITH A FLEET OF HEART MACHINES THAT ARE NOT LEASED, NOT SUPPORTED LONG TERM, AND EVENTUALLY WILL NEED TO BE FULLY REPLACED.

VOTERS LOST THE SIMPLE ABILITY TO FEED BALLOTS INTO TABULATORS AT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD POLLING PLACE AND SEE IT COUNTED RIGHT AWAY.

I'M NOT HERE BECAUSE I DISLIKE YOU PERSONALLY.

CITIZENS DON'T HAVE CRYE DERANGEMENT [NOISE] SYNDROME.

WE HAVE CRYE ACCOUNTABILITY SYNDROME.

I'M HERE BECAUSE YOU FOUND A WAY OVER AND OVER TO NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR SERIOUS GOVERNING MISTAKES.

THOSE MISTAKES HAVE COST US MONEY, DAMAGED PUBLIC CONFIDENCE, AND LEFT US WITH AN ELECTION SYSTEM THAT FEELS LESS SECURE AND LESS TRANSPARENT THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.

>> HEY, JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, [APPLAUSE] PLEASE DON'T MAKE SURE YOU DON'T LEAVE.

PEOPLE THAT ARE FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE BEEN SPEAKING, I'M MESSAGING WITH THE SHERIFF, SO JUST PLEASE DON'T LEAVE.

>> NEXT. WELCOME. LESLIE FOLLOWED BY ADAM SIGERSON, AND CHRISTIAN SIGERSON.

>> I WAS GOING TO TRY TO BE THE BIGGER PERSON AND NOT SAY ANYTHING.

BUT WHEN YOU MAKE A POST PUBLICLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, SAYING, THIS INCIDENT MIGHT HAPPEN, AND IF IT DOES, THIS IS HOW I WANT IT TAKEN CARE OF.

THEN YOUR HUSBAND WHO ABSOLUTELY HAS KEVIN DERANGEMENT SYNDROME AND IS OBSESSED, HAS BEEN MAKING ISSUE AFTER ISSUE AFTER ISSUE AT VERY PUBLIC THINGS, IT VERY MUCH IS PREMEDITATED.

WHEN SOMEBODY HOLDS UP A SIGN THAT SAYS THEY MAY HAVE A SEIZURE IF SOMEBODY OR TAKES A PICTURE AND THEN HAS A SEIZURE AFTER THEY GO AND MAKE A SIGN, THAT SEEMS PREMEDITATED.

I'M SORRY IF THIS SEEMS LIKE IT IS NOT CARING OR MEAN HEARTED TO SAY THIS, BUT WHEN SOMEBODY IS CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR REASON TO SUE THE COUNTY, WHICH ALL OF US END UP BEARING THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, IT'S HARD NOT TO SPEAK OUT BECAUSE THAT IS INSANE.

IT IS PREMEDITATED.

IT IS AN ACT, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PERFORMANCE, JUST LIKE ALL THE BEHAVIORS THAT CONTINUALLY HAPPEN IN HERE.

WE HAD A NIGHT MEETING AND WE HAD A SPECIAL GUEST ASSEMBLY MEMBER GALLAGHER.

WE HAD PEOPLE WHO USED TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS REGULARLY SHOW UP, AND THAT CEMENTED THE FACT THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH ONLINE OR WATCH RECAPS, AND THEY WILL NOT BE BACK HERE BECAUSE OF THE ANTICS BEHAVIORS AND PERFORMANCES OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE.

[NOISE] IT'S RIDICULOUS.

IT'S ABUSIVE.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

THAT BEHAVIOR SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED.

OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES BETTER.

OUR COMMUNITY IS BETTER.

THE FACT THAT OUTSIDE AREAS THINK THAT THAT REPRESENTS US IS WHY I SPEAK OUT.

I'M SORRY IF I SEEM MEAN OR DISMISSIVE, BUT THE REST OF US ARE ACTUALLY NORMAL.

THE FIVE OR 10 PEOPLE THAT COME IN HERE BECAUSE THEY NEED ATTENTION,

[01:20:02]

[APPLAUSE]

>> I REALLY HOPE I'M PRONOUNCING YOUR NAME RIGHT, SIR, ADAM SIGERSON? CHRISTIAN SIGERSON IS NEXT.

>> MY NAME IS ADAM SIGURDSSON, AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE RIVER RANCH COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME TO SPEAK.

I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU DID ACTUALLY TRY TO SHOW UP TO A ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, AND I WILL GIVE YOU THAT WE BOTCHED THAT.

THERE WAS SOME MISCOMMUNICATION.

BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE NEW TO THIS.

WE'VE NEVER HAD A SITUATION LIKE THIS DROPPED ON US BEFORE.

WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS.

YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN INFORMED OF WHAT IS TAKING PLACE.

IF YOU ALLOW THAT TIME, WE WOULD LOVE TO SET SOMETHING UP.

ME PERSONALLY, I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS THREE WEEKS AGO.

AS I UNDERSTAND, ONLY 10 PEOPLE ON OUR STREET WERE NOTIFIED, ACTUALLY IN OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY.

SOMEONE TOOK THAT LETTER, COPIED THAT, AND THEN BROUGHT THAT AROUND TO THE REST OF THE RESIDENT SO THAT WE COULD FIND OUT.

I KNOW THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT PEOPLE HERE ARE EMOTIONAL TODAY, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE LOSING SLEEP AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T PROPERLY BEEN INFORMED.

THAT IS ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

WE'RE NEW TO THIS, AND TO HAVE JUST A LETTER DROPPED ON OUR DOORSTEP THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A REZONING GOING ON, BUT NOT ANY CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT IS TAKING PLACE.

NOW, WE HAVE TO HOP ON THE INTERNET TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO FIND OUT THAT IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN IN WORKS.

WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT TIME TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS.

LIKE I SAID, JUST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO ASSEMBLE SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE BROUGHT IN ON THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE].

>> NEXT STEP, KRISTEN SIGURDSSON.

>> WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE.

THE TIME IS MOVING.

MY NAME IS KRISTIN SIGURDSSON.

I LIVE AT 19-116 SHADOW.

WE WERE NOTIFIED JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.

YOU'VE HEARD NUMEROUS PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE KIDS IN THE STREET AND THE KIDS PLAYING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THOSE ARE MY KIDS. THOSE ARE MINE.

THESE KIDS, THERE'S A SEVEN-YEAR-OLD AND EIGHT-YEAR-OLD.

SIR, IF YOU COULD LOOK, I WOULD SUPER APPRECIATE.

I KNOW THAT BANANA IS DELICIOUS, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT.

I HAVE A SEVEN-YEAR-OLD, AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD, AND A 10-YEAR-OLD.

MY KIDS DON'T PLAY TABLETS.

MY KIDS DON'T PLAY VIDEO GAMES.

MY KIDS PLAY OUTSIDE ALL DAY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT KIDS SHOULD BE DOING.

IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE, AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE.

YOU WILL SEE IN THE PICTURE, THEY'RE HOLDING RED AND GREEN BOXES.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT THOSE ARE THE OPERATION CHRISTMAS CHILD BOXES THAT PEOPLE COULD COMPILE TOGETHER, TO SEND TO PLACES, TO GIVE TO KIDS WHO DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.

MY KIDS WANTED TO MAKE THOSE BOXES, AND THEY KNEW HOW TO GET THE MONEY.

THEY WENT AND SWEAT LEAVES FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO EARN MONEY FOR THOSE BOXES.

ALL THREE OF THEM EVEN MY SEVEN-YEAR-OLD PAID FOR HIS OWN BOX WITH THE MONEY HE EARNED FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SWEEPING LEAVES.

I COULD LET THEM DO THAT AND FEEL SAFE AND COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.

NOW, THAT'S AT RISK TO BE TAKEN AWAY AND STOLEN AWAY, THAT BEAUTIFUL CHILDHOOD THAT NOT ENOUGH KIDS GET THAT THE DATA CLEARLY SHOWS IS WHAT OUR KIDS NEED.

THAT IS WHAT IS OUT HERE AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS IMPORTANT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. CHAIR, THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU. HERE'S WHAT I'M TO DO AND IT'S A LITTLE UNCONVENTIONAL, BUT, I WOULD RATHER JUST FIND SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS. WE'RE GOING TO CALL A THREE-MINUTE RECESS.

SHERIFF, I'M GOING TO MEET YOU IN THE BACK.

COME ON, LET'S GO.

RETURNING FROM RECESSION.

ALL OF YOU RESIDENTS THAT HAVE COME IN PUBLIC COMMENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I UNDERSTAND WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELVES TAKE OFF WORKS.

I GUARANTEE ALMOST EVERY ONE OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE JOBS OR YOU'RE RETIRED.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THIS MEETING IS GOING TO PROBABLY LAST.

YOU'VE HEARD SOME PUBLIC COMMENTERS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME THAT WILL COME UP AND SPEAK TO PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX ITEMS. IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT TIME WILL BE DONE.

[01:25:02]

MY OVER UNDER WOULD BE AROUND TWO O'CLOCK.

BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE THAT SPOKE TO THE PROPERTY, WE'RE GOING TO SHERIFF JOHNSON, MYSELF, AND SUPERVISOR KELSTROM, ARE GOING TO MEET WITH YOU PRIVATELY AT THE CONCLUSION OF OUR BOARD MEETING TODAY.

I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE QUESTIONS.

IF YOU CAN'T STAY, YOU CAN'T STAY.

WE'LL DO MULTIPLE MEETINGS, BUT I ALWAYS WANT TO HONOR PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY TO COME.

IF YOU DID TAKE THE DAY OFF WHEN THE CONCLUSION OF THIS MEETING IS OVER, WE WILL MEET WITH THOSE THAT ARE LEFT PRIVATELY, AND THEN WE'LL SCHEDULE A MUCH BIGGER MEETING AND DO THAT.

WHAT I DON'T WANT IS I DON'T WANT PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO CONNECTION TO IT WHATSOEVER TO TRY AND BE YOUR VOICE BOXES, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS.

WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU WHO ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED THERE, AND WE'LL HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS DOWN THE ROAD LATER AT THAT TIME.

BUT JUST AS SOME OF YOU DID MENTION, THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS OF OVER A YEAR.

BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION ABOUT FEELING LIKE IT'S COMING LAST MINUTE.

AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING TODAY, WE WILL ADJOURN FOR CLOSED SESSION.

WE'LL COME BACK AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT.

WE WILL MEET PRIVATELY AS A GROUP.

WITH THAT, MISS BLANKENSHIP,

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

WOULD YOU PREFER FOR US TO TAKE THE VOTE ON THE REMAINING OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND THEN DO C13?

>> THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION HERE.

>> [OVERLAPPING] MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY SUPERVISOR KELSTROM TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR MINUS C13, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR PLUMMER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> AYE. PASSES 5-0. LET'S DO C13.

[C13 Approve an agreement with Nichols-Melburg & Rossetto, AIA & Associates, Inc., for architecture and engineering services for the “Corrections and Rehabilitation Campus Project,” Contract No. 610064.]

>> CHAIR, WE HAVE EIGHT SPEAKERS FOR C13.

FIRST STEP, CHRISTOPHER ENRIQUEZ, FOLLOWED BY CARLA REID, THEN JOHN MACK, AND SCOTT WAYMAN.

>> JUST UNDERSTAND IS IN TERMS OF C13.

ANYWAY, GO AHEAD. COME ON.

>> EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

>> AGAIN, I LIVE ON RIVER CREST DRIVE AND ANDERSON, ABOUT 1,000 FEET FROM THIS PROPOSED CAMPUS PROJECT REHABILITATION PROJECT.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE DOES NOT DESCRIBE THE EXTENT AND OVERALL SIZE THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO ENCOMPASS.

THIS LAND IS 90 ACRES.

IT FRONTS SACRAMENTO RIVER.

YOU COULD HAVE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TO THE SACRAMENTO RIVER WITH THIS PROJECT.

THERE ARE NATIVE PLANTS, VALLEY OAKS THAT COULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT.

THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS WITH THE AQUIFER, WE ALL HAVE WELLS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> JUST SO TO CLARIFY, SIR, THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE CONTRACT.

>> IT'S JUST THAT THIS CONTRACT IT'S GOT A LOT TO ADDRESS.

AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INFORMATION ON HOW LARGE THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> EXPENDING THAT MONEY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU STILL DON'T HAVE THE REZONING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT.

MAYBE WE NEED TO SAVE THAT MONEY UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THAT PROPERTY ZONED PROPERLY.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT UP, CARLA REID, FOLLOWED BY JOHN MACK, FOLLOWED BY SCOTT WAYMAN, THEN ASHLEY WAYMAN. IS CARLA HERE?

>> I'M HERE.

>> JOHN MACK.

>> THAT'S MACK.

>> THANK YOU. SCOTT WAYMAN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ASHLEY WAYMAN. MARK FEEBACK.

CHRIS BAGLEY.

>> SHE'S NOT HERE. OH, SHE IS HERE.

COACH. SORRY.

>> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

I'M THE ONE TO BLAME FOR THAT MEETING GOING WRONG BECAUSE CHRIS KELSTROM AND I MISUNDERSTOOD EACH OTHER.

I ALREADY TOLD EVERYBODY IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS MY FAULT, SO YOU'RE NOT TO BLAME.

I'VE BEEN IN THE IN THAT SUBDIVISION FOR SIX YEARS.

I'M VERY BLESSED AND FORTUNATE TO HAVE A HOUSE ON THE RIVER,

[01:30:02]

MY ATTORNEY. [LAUGHTER] BUT ANYWAY, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDRESSED.

NUMBER 1, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A 40-ACRE FARM IN THERE AND THE PESTICIDES THAT ARE GOING INTO THE GROUND ARE GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO OUR WELL WATER.

EVERYBODY DOWN THERE IS ON WELL WATER.

NONE OF US HAVE CITY WATER.

THAT'S A PROBLEM. JUST THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY.

THERE'S LESS THAN 100 HOMES DOWN THERE, BUT WE ARE VERY.

>> MISS BIG, THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE CONTRACT.

IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. I KNOW.

>> DON'T YOU LIKE TO HEAR ME TALK?

>> I DO. I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU BLOW A WHISTLE, TOO.

BUT YEAH, IT'S GOT TO BE JUST ON THE CONTRACT.

>> JUST ONE MORE THING.

>> WELL, LONG AS IT'S ABOUT THE CONTRACT.

>> IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THE CONTRACT. NEVER MIND.

I'LL TALK TO YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THIS WILL BE THIS MEETING AFTER THIS MEETING?

>> DEPENDS ON HOW LONG SOME PUBLIC COMMENTERS COME UP AND TALK ABOUT ME SINKING THE TITANIC OR KILLING JIMMY HOFFA.

>> I HEAR YOU.

>> I SENT YOU A TEXT YESTERDAY, BY THE WAY, A TEXT, NOT AN EMAIL, A TEXT. YOU DIDN'T.

>> I COMMUNICATED THAT WITH THE BOARD.

>> I'M TALKING YESTERDAY. I SENT YOU ONE.

JUST YESTERDAY, THAT WHY WE WERE TRYING TO SET UP A MEETING.

>> ABOUT MEETING.

>> YOU GOT MY TEXT YESTERDAY?

>> I DID, AND I COMMUNICATED WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS ALONG.

I'M GOING TO BALLPARK IT TWO O'CLOCK.

>> I'LL BACK.

>> THE LAST SPEAKER, ADAM SIGURDSSON.

>> I APPRECIATE THE SMILE, NODA.

YOU'RE ALWAYS SMILING. WELCOME, SIR.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN.

THIS DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE AGREEMENT WITH MONS OR I DON'T REMEMBER THE FULL NAME.

I BELIEVE THAT AFTER THE BOARD APPROVES THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, THAT IT DOES COMPLETE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE EIR, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT RESEARCH STUDY.

NO AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT? I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT.

I MAY BE MISTAKEN.

I'M MISTAKEN. I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND WAIVE THE REST OF MY TIME. THANK YOU.

>> THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER, CHAIR.

>> SUPERVISOR PLUMMER, YOU PULLED THIS, SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU AT THIS TIME.

>> YES. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS.

I PULLED IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE SURE WE HAD A FULL CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE JANUARY IN LITTLE BITS AND PIECES HERE AND THERE AND IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WE'RE GOING TO THIS, ONE TO HEAR FROM OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS OF WHERE ARE WE IN THIS PROCESS? WHAT DOES IT MEAN THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW? THEN ALSO HEAR FROM OUR SHERIFF IN TERMS OF THE VISION FOR THIS CAMPUS, WHAT THAT WILL ENTAIL.

WE'RE PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER NOW BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF IT, AND IT'S BEEN EVOLVING BECAUSE WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO.

WE'RE LEARNING NEW THINGS, WE'RE IDENTIFYING NEW POTENTIAL PARTNERS.

I THOUGHT MAYBE THE SHERIFF, IF YOU COULD START BY JUST GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF THIS IS THE VISION.

>> SUPERVISOR PLUMMER, THAT'S NOT AGENDIZED.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU INVITED HIM HERE OR THAT WAS PART OF IT, BUT I'LL CHECK WITH COUNTY COUNCIL.

>> THE ONLY CONVERSATION THAT CAN HAPPEN HERE IS RELATED TO THE CONTRACT AND THE TERMS OF THOSE CONTRACT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN TERMS OF THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO CONTRACT FOR, THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME CONCEPT OF WHAT THIS LAND USE WILL BE FOR.

THAT'S REQUIRED AS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.

>> I WOULD SAY BEYOND THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, YOU NEED TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.

>> MAYBE WE'LL START WITH TROY, AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO ELABORATE ON THE PROJECT.

>> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, IF WE SIDESTEP SOMETHING, YOU GET ABOUT FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE THAT WILL START JUST TRYING TO HIT THE COUNTY WITH LITIGATION THAT WE'RE DOING STUFF OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE AGENDA.

I APPRECIATE COUNTY COUNCIL BEING TIGHT ON THAT.

I WISH I WOULD'VE KNOWN THAT'S WHY YOU'RE PULLING IT BUT.

TROY. THERE'S A SUPERVISOR.

BUT NOT SUPERVISOR.

>> THAT'S OKAY. NO, I NEVER MIND.

[01:35:02]

GOOD MORNING, CHAIR CRAY, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

TROY BARTLEY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY IS A CONTRACT WITH NICHOLAS [INAUDIBLE].

WE WENT THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS.

THERE WERE FOUR FIRMS THAT WERE INTERVIEWED, AND THEY CAME OUT CLEARLY ON TOP.

THERE'S A LOT OF VALID POINTS BROUGHT UP TODAY.

THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT THINGS.

THEY ARE ALL VERY GOOD POINTS.

THEY'RE ALL THINGS THAT DO NEED TO BE STUDIED AND NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

I THINK THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING AS TO THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONTRACT.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONTRACT IS TO SUPPLEMENT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS.

THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS IS SOMETHING WE HIRED SHN BACK IN AUGUST TO PERFORM.

NOW, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A DEFINED GENERAL SCOPE, PURPOSE, SIZE, DEMAND OF UTILITIES, THINGS, ALL THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TODAY.

THESE THINGS ALL HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE EIR.

NOW, SHN IS NOT AN ARCHITECT.

THEY DON'T DO FACILITIES.

THEY DO ENVIRONMENTAL.

THEY'VE DONE THE HISTORICAL PARTS, THEY'VE DONE SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PARTS THAT THEY CAN DO.

AT THIS POINT NOW, THEY START IN AUGUST.

IT'S TIME TO BRING IN THE ARCHITECT TO DEFINE THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE.

NOW, THEY CAN'T DESIGN THE PROJECT, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

BUT WHAT WE NEED FROM THEM IS THE SIZE OF THE FACILITIES, THE NEED OF THE FACILITIES, THE USES, THE LAYOFF, THE SIZE, WHAT WILL THEY LOOK LIKE? THE IMPACT WILL HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY.

STUDIED AS PART OF THIS EIR PROCESS, THEY NEED THIS SO THEY CAN KNOW TRAFFIC, SEWER, WATER, ALL UTILITIES, IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

WE MOVE PROTECTED SPECIES, PLANTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE?

>> ALSO, SO WE NEED THIS AS PART OF THE EIR.

NOW, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I JUST PUT TOGETHER SOME CRITICAL DATES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BASED UPON WHAT HAPPENS, AND IT ALL CAN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THIS CONTRACT IS EXECUTED, AND WE HAVE AN IDEA.

THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IN DECEMBER, THE FIRST STEP IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A TRIBAL NOTIFICATION.

THEN IN JANUARY, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE NOTICE OF PREPARATION.

WE CANNOT DO THAT NOTICE OF PREPARATION WITHOUT THE ARCHITECT TELLING US A GENERAL IDEA WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

THAT NOTE PREPARATION, WILL BE A 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD.

THEN THERE'LL BE MANY, MANY, MANY COMMENTS PERIODS AND STUDIES AND THINGS GONE.

WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.

NOW, CHAIRMAN KRIS NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS, BUT IT COULD BE, BY DECEMBER OF 2027 WHEN THIS THING'S DONE, AND GETTING A BAD LOOK THERE.

BUT AT THE END OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS [OVERLAPPING].

>> THE REASON JUST TO CLARIFY.

THE REASON WHY CHAIRMAN CARD ISN'T LIKE THIS IS I THINK THE PROBLEM IS GOVERNMENT MOVES THE GOVERNMENT AND SO YES.

>> THESE ARE ALL TIMELINES THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER AND THESE ARE, I'M GIVING INFLATED DATES BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MISS THE DEADLINE, SO I MAKE IT EASY ON MYSELF.

BUT ALSO, AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A 60 DAY COMMENT PERIOD.

AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE UNTIL WE HAVE THIS CONTRACT WITH NMR TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS THING LOOKS LIKE, AND JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT THE EIR IS ABOUT.

I HOPE THAT CLEARS UP WHAT THIS PURPOSE OF THIS CONTRACT IS.

THERE'LL BE ANOTHER CONTRACT SOMEDAY FOR DESIGN OF THIS THING, SHOULD IT GO FORWARD.

ONE LAST THING, AND THE EIR DOES HAVE TO, BY LAW, WE HAVE TO STUDY ALTERNATIVES.

WE CAN'T JUST SAY, THIS IS THE ONE.

ALTERNATIVES MUST BE STUDIED.

>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> YEAH, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND.

THIS IS JUST A SMALL PART OF THIS WHOLE ONGOING PROCESS.

I KNOW WHERE IT SAYS IN HERE THAT I CAN SEE WHERE THERE IS MISUNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IT SAYS PROVE AN AGREEMENT OR THAT THIS IS GOING TO END THE EIR AND IT'S IN NO WAY SHAPE AND FOR.

THIS IS THE VERY, VERY, VERY BEGINNING OF THE EIR.

BUT THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT PARTICULAR PIECES OF THAT PROPERTY IS A BUILDING AND TO GO ON, WHAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS, THIS FARM GOING TO BE ON SO THEY CAN STUDY THOSE PROPERTIES SPECIFICALLY.

>> SUPERVISOR PLUMBER.

>> YES, THANK YOU, JOY. JUST TO CLARIFY THERE.

IT'S NOT LIKE THERE ARE ALREADY PLANS IN PLACE FOR THESE FACILITIES, CORRECT?

>> NO. WE HAVE A CONCEPT.

WE HAVE NOTHING.

WE NEED A DRAW IN. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THESE THINGS.

WE HAVE A CONCEPT, WHAT FACILITIES WILL NEED.

THE ARCHITECTS GOING TO DO SOME SCHEMATICS, VERY GENERAL ELEVATIONS.

THEY CAN'T DO DESIGN. WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THE EIR.

BUT IT IT'S A CHICKEN AND THE EGG SCENARIO.

WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO IMPACT, BUT YOU CAN'T DESIGN THE IMPACT TIL EIR IS DONE.

IT'S JUST ENOUGH TO FACILITATE THE EIR.

>> WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED AT THIS POINT IF IT'S GOING TO, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE,

[01:40:01]

>> WE WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THE EIR BECAUSE JUST BY GENERAL SCALE AND FOR DIVERSITY AND THINGS OF THIS MAGNITUDE, IT JUST FROM PAST EXPERIENCE, IT'S GOING TO BE EIR.

SOMETHING THIS SIDE JUST CAN'T GO FOR WITH THAT.

WE'VE HIRED THEM TO DO AN EIR.

>> FOR THOSE WHO ARE LESS FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROCESS, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US CONTEXT? THE EIR IS THE MOST ROBUST INTENSIVE.

>> THE MOST ROBUST, INTENSIVE.

THE PURPOSE OF EIR IS TWO FOLD.

ONE, TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC, GIVE THEM A CHANCE FOR THEIR INPUT TO SEE THAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT NAVELY IMPACTED.

TWO, IT'S TO BUTTRESS AND SHOW THE COUNTY HAS DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE LEFT NO STONE UNTURNED.

THE EASIEST THING WOULD BE, I'M SORRY, THE LEAST INVOLVED IS SOMETHING CALLED A CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION.

IT JUST MEANS, HEY, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PAINTING THE BUILDING.

THAT'S CATEGORY EXEMPT.

THE NEXT THING YOU HAVE IN THERE IS WE GO FROM AN EXEMPTION TO A MITIGATED NETIVE DECLARATION.

THAT MEANS, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU TOOK OUT SOME ELDERBERRY BUSHES HERE, BUT YOU CAN MITIGATE THAT BY PLANTING SOME OVER HERE.

THAT'S YOUR NEXT PHASE.

THEN YOU CAN DO STUDIES.

THEN THE FULL BLOWN EIR IS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE A LOT OF DIRT, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD BUILDINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO IMPACT WATER, SEWER. IT'S A LARGE [OVERLAPPING] SORRY.

>> I'VE LET IT GO A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACT.

IF WE WANT TO PUT AN ITEM TO DISCUSS EIR, WE CAN. YEAH.

>> SUPERVISOR HARMON.

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, I HAVE IN THE CONTRACT WITH THEM, IT SAYS LOCATIONS FOR MCRP, ACP, AND JAIL.

IS THAT SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY, I'M SURE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DON'T KNOW WHAT MCRP AND ACP ARE.

>> I KNOW ACP IS ALTERNATIVE CUSTODY PROGRAM, ACP.

>> NO RE-ENTRY.

>> NO RE-ENTRY PROGRAM. WHAT WAS THE THIRD ACRONYM?

>> THE GL WAS THE GM.

>> WE ARE THROWING THE KITCHEN SINK IN HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT TWICE.

THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THESE THINGS CAN BE DONE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE ARE THOSE ACRONYMS ARE FOR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

FOR THE PEOPLE. CAN WE TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT?

>> NO, NO, WE CAN'T.

>> WE CANNOT.

>> NO, WE CAN'T. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.

CONTRACT. ITS A CONTRACT.

AGAIN, YOU GOT PEOPLE BACK HERE THAT WANT TO SUE THE COUNTY CONSTANTLY, SO.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

>> I`LL SECOND.

>> WE GOT A SECOND. WE'VE TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> AYE PASSES. FIVE. THANK YOU.

>> COUNTY COUNCIL ARMOR, I APPRECIATE AND SUPERVISOR HARMON. I AGREE WITH YOU.

LIKE THERE'S MORE IN THIS CONVERSATION WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, BUT THAT'S WHY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ARE.

>> I WAS JUST WANTING TO GET LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, FIRST THING, I WENT OUT AND VISITED WITH ONE OF THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR THERE, AND HE SAID, WE DON'T WANT A SIX STORY BUILDING.

WELL, WE'RE NOT DOING A SIX STORY BUILDING.

>> CORRECT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE AGENDA.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO R2, CORRECT?

[R2 Receive a presentation from the Shasta County Fire Safe Council regarding wildfire preparation and prevention programs and resources available in Shasta County (Sponsored by Supervisor Long).]

>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I'M VERY PROUD TO HAVE THE SHASTA COUNTY FIRE SAFE COUNCIL COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

IN MY OPINION, IT'S LONG OVERDUE.

THEY ARE PARTNERS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I'M BRINGING THEM FORWARD TO HAVE A PRESENTATION, AND I SERVE ON THEIR BOARD AS AN EX OFFICIO MEMBER ON THE FIRE SAFE COUNCIL.

THEY ARE OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR ADVOCATES, AND OUR PARTNERS IN FIRE SAFETY.

THEY ARE DRIVEN TOWARD REDUCING WILDFIRE RISKS AND PROMOTING FIRE SAFETY FOR ALL OF US.

I'D LIKE TO BRING TWO SPEAKERS FORWARD.

ONE WILL BE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR RON RUSTEN AND DIRECTOR BARBARA HOLDER.

THANK YOU FOR COMING FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

>> YES. CHAIRMAN CRAY AND FELLOW BOARD.

I AM BARBARA HOLDER, PRESIDENT OF THE SHASTA COUNTY FIRE SAFE COUNCIL, AND I THINK WE ARE ACTUALLY BRINGING GOOD NEWS, IF YOU CAN HANDLE A LITTLE.

WE'RE A NONPROFIT, NINE BOARD MEMBERS, A SMALL STAFF, AND WE HAVE A HUGE MISSION.

AS WE ALL HAVE SEEN, CATASTROPHIC WILDFIRE IN THIS STATE AND BEYOND IS INCREASING.

WE HAVE LARGER, MORE CATASTROPHIC FIRES.

THERE ARE WARMING TEMPERATURES, FIRE SEASONS ARE LONGER, AND EVEN WITH SOME OF THE PROBABLY THE BEST AND MOST NUMEROUS FIRE FIGHTING FORCES ANYWHERE,

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THE MISSION IS HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US.

IT UNITES US ALL.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE A LOT OF FIRE SCIENCE THAT TELLS US WHAT WE CAN DO TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR OF FIRE AND SAVE PROPERTY AND LIFE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT.

WE CAN NOT ONLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE, WE CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE THROUGH A LOT OF THESE ACTIONS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

I DO THINK WE NEED TO INTERACT MORE CLOSELY.

WE ARE BECOMING VERY ACTIVE, AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF WONDERFUL PARTNERS.

WE CAN'T DO THIS ALONE.

WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS BIG DIFFERENCE.

WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE RON RUSTEN, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATION AND OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

>> THANK YOU, BARBARA. AGAIN, MY NAME IS RON RUSTEN.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE SHASTA COUNTY FIRE SAFE COUNCIL, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND GIVE THIS PRESENTATION, AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT RECEIVED FROM THE SHASTA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

WE'RE A YOUNG ORGANIZATION.

WE STARTED BACK IN 2020, SO WE'RE JUST COMING UP ON 6-YEARS-OLD, AND WE'RE A COMMUNITY DRIVEN NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, AND WE'RE JUST DEDICATED TO HELPING REDUCE THE WILDFIRE RISK THROUGHOUT SHASTA COUNTY.

WE WANT TO EMPOWER RESIDENTS WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE TOOLS AND THE RESOURCES.

TO BECOME MORE FIRE RESILIENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND SEEING THE DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN CAUSED IN SHASTA COUNTY BY NUMEROUS WILDFIRES, WE CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED TO LIVES AND PROPERTY AND FAMILIES AND HOMES OUT THERE.

WE JUST WANT TO BE A PART OF MAKING THE COMMUNITY MORE FIRE RESILIENT.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WORK THAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, OUR MISSION IS TO BUILD MORE FIRE RESILIENT COMMUNITIES IN SHASTA COUNTY, AND WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT THROUGH EDUCATION, EDUCATING PEOPLE ON HOW TO REDUCE THE WILDFIRE RISK AROUND THEIR HOMES.

WE WANT TO BE A PART OF REDUCING THAT RISK THROUGH DIFFERENT PROJECTS, AND JUST AGAIN, CREATING THOSE FIRE RESILIENT COMMUNITIES OUT THERE, WHICH CREATES A SAFER FUTURE FOR SHASTA COUNTY.

JUST SOME, LITTLE STATS OUT THERE.

60 TO 90% OF THE HOMES LOST IN WILDFIRES ARE CAUSED BY EMBERCAST, BY THE EMBERS COMING DOWN IN AND AROUND HOMES.

AN AS A RETIRED FIREFIGHTER, I'VE SEEN FIRE SPOTTING MILES AND MILES AHEAD OF THE MAIN FIRE FRONT.

I KNOW THIS IS A REAL ISSUE AND WE CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF OUR HOMES NOW ARE MORE MODERN.

THEY CAN BE FULLY ENGULFED IN 4 - 6 MINUTES.

THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO KEEP THOSE EMBERS FROM SMOLDERING FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AND ACTUALLY IGNITING BECAUSE ONCE THEY IGNITE, THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE IS WE WANT TO TURN FIRE SAFETY INTO ACTION.

WE WANT TO DO THAT BY HELPING BY ENCOURAGING THE RESIDENTS TO BE BETTER PREPARED FOR WILDFIRES AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MITIGATING THAT WILD FIRE HAZARD LOOKS LIKE IN AND AROUND THEIR PROPERTIES.

WITH THAT, WE HAVE SEVERAL PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO, AGAIN, IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, AS A YOUNG ORGANIZATION.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT THAT FIRE SAFETY INTO ACTION.

ONE OF THOSE IS OUR FREE SHIPPING PROGRAM.

IT'S A GREAT PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH THE HOMEOWNER.

THE HOMEOWNER GETS OUT, DOES THE WORK.

THEY CUT DOWN THE VEGETATION, THEY STACK IT UP, AND THEN WE COME AND CHIP IT AT NO COST TO THE HOMEOWNER.

IT REALLY HELPS THEM CREATE THAT DEFENSIBLE SPACE AROUND THEIR HOME.

WE ALSO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF FIREWISE COMMUNITIES, AND THAT'S BEEN A REAL KEY PART OF WHAT WE DO AS THE FIRE COUNCIL.

I STARTED AS A COUNTY COORDINATOR A HANDFUL OF YEARS AGO, AND I THINK WE HAD FIVE OR SIX FIREWISE COMMUNITIES.

WE'RE NOW UP TO 17 FIREWISE COMMUNITIES IN SHASTA COUNTY.

THAT ARE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED.

IMPORTANT PART OF HAVING A FIREWISE COMMUNITY IS INSTEAD OF HAVING LITTLE POCKETS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTY THAT ARE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN DEFENSIBLE SPACE AND HOME HARDENING, WE CAN CREATE A WHOLE COMMUNITY THAT'S BANDING TOGETHER TO CREATE THAT FIRE RESILIENCE AROUND THAT COMMUNITY, WHICH JUST PROTECTS THEM OR HELPS THEM BE BETTER PREPARED FOR A WILDFIRE INCIDENT.

THAT'S EXCITING. WE WERE ALSO ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE COMMUNITY WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN,

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ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE ALSO I JUST COMPLETED OUR BULL SKIN FUEL BREAK, WHICH IS A REAL NICE PROJECT.

IT'S THERE.

IT'S STRATEGICALLY PLACED TO HELP THE COMMUNITY OF OAK RUN IN CASE OF A WILDFIRE OUT IN THAT AREA.

WE'RE IN THE MAINTENANCE PHASE OF THAT.

WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO KEEP THE SHINGLE TOWN SLASH PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY POPULAR UP IN THAT AREA, AND REALLY HAS REDUCED A LOT OF FUEL LOADS UP IN THAT AREA FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO CREATE A GIS MAP, WHICH WE'VE PUT TOGETHER WITH OUR COUNTY WIDE FUELS MITIGATION GROUP.

THAT WE'RE GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION OF WHAT THE OTHER AGENCIES AND ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE ARE DOING AS FAR AS FUELS MITIGATION PROJECTS, GETTING IT ALL ON ONE MAP.

THAT PROCESS HAS ALLOWED US NOT ONLY TO CREATE GREAT PARTNERSHIPS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S ALSO KEEPS US FROM DUPLICATING EFFORTS FOR, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO THE SAME WORK IN THE SAME LOCATION.

BUT WE'RE ABLE TO START FILLING IN THE GAPS AND BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN DOING THAT FUELS MITIGATION WORK ACROSS SHASTA COUNTY.

THAT'S BEEN REAL GOOD AND WHY WE DO IT? I MEAN, JUST REALLY SUMMING UP, WHY WE DO IT, WE WANT TO HELP SHASTA COUNTY BE MORE FIRE RESILIENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND JUST HELP THEM BE MORE PREPARED FOR THE DAMAGING EFFECTS THAT WILDFIRES CAN CAUSE.

WE KNOW THAT WITH THAT, EVERY ACRE THAT WE CLEAR, EVERY PROPERTY THAT'S MADE SAFER, AND EVERY RESIDENT THAT'S MORE EDUCATION, EDUCATED ABOUT WILDFIRE, WE KNOW THAT THAT GOAL IS GETTING REACHED AND WE ALSO REALIZE WE CAN'T DO IT ON OUR OWN.

WE CAN'T DO IT BY OURSELVES.

BUT TOGETHER, WE CAN REDUCE THAT RISK AND PROTECT WHAT MATTERS FOR OUR FAMILIES, FOR OUR HOMES, AND FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SHASTA COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I THINK IT'S THE START OF A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FIRE SAFE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD TOWARD COMMUNITY SAFETY AND FIRE PREVENTION AND FIRE RESILIENCE AND HOME HARDENING AND VERY IMPORTANT PARTNERSHIP.

CAN YOU SHARE SOME POSSIBLE ACTIVITIES OR IDEAS WHERE SHASTA COUNTY AND THE FIRE SAFE COUNCIL CAN PARTNER TO ASSIST PROPERTY OWNERS WITH REDUCING WILDFIRE RISK?

>> YEAH. WELL, OUR CHIPPING PROGRAM RIGHT NOW IS ONE OF THE MAIN WAYS WE CAN DO THAT.

AGAIN, IT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE HOME OWNER AND THE COUNCIL, THE FIRE COUNCIL.

THE HOMEOWNER GETS OUT THERE AND WORKS ON THEIR DEFENSIBLE SPACE AND REDUCES THAT OR CUTS DOWN THE VEGETATION, STACKS IT UP, AND AGAIN, AT NO COST, WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED, WE'LL COME OUT AND CHIP IT FOR FREE.

AGAIN, WITH THE COMMUNITY WILDFIRE PREVENTION PLAN, WHEN THAT IS FINALLY FINALIZED, IT'S GOING TO POSITION US BETTER IN THE COUNTY TO RECEIVE THOSE GRANT DOLLARS TO REALLY HELP WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TRYING TO HELP ELDERLY, LOWER INCOME, DISABLED PEOPLE WITH DOING THAT DEFENSIBLE SPACE WORK.

THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY WILDFIRE MITIGATION PROGRAM UP IN WHITMORE, OAK RUN, AND LAKEHEAD, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT KIND OF WORK UP THERE.

WE'RE ALREADY DOING THE DEFENSIBLE SPACE AND THE HOME HARDENING, AND WE HOPE THAT AS MORE GRANT DOLLARS COME IN, WE CAN EXPAND THAT TYPE OF WORK THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

>> EXCELLENT. YOU'RE AWARE THAT SHASTA COUNTY JUST PASSED A NEW ORDINANCE FOR FIRE SAFETY MITIGATION EFFORTS FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS.

IS THERE ANY IDEA THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HOW SHASTA COUNTY FIRE SAFE COUNCIL COULD PARTNER TO HELP HOMEOWNERS BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE FOR FIRE SAFETY?

>> FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, THE PROGRAMS HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED IN EXPANDING THOSE PROGRAMS, THAT WE HOPE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WOULD BE A GREAT HELP.

BUT ALSO THE FIREWISE COMMUNITIES OUT THERE.

THE MORE FIREWISE COMMUNITIES THAT WE CAN GET ESTABLISHED AND GET RECOGNIZED OUT THERE.

AGAIN, THEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER AND THE COMMUNITY,

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AGAIN, AS THE COUNCIL, WE CAN BRING A CHIPPER OUT THERE AND CHIP THAT MATERIAL AND DO THOSE THINGS.

THE MORE OF THOSE THAT WE HAVE, AGAIN, IT PUTS US IN A BETTER POSITION TO RECEIVE OUR GRANT DOLLARS, EITHER THROUGH THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR FROM PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS TO MOVE THAT WORK FORWARD.

>> THANK YOU KINEN. THEN I HAD ONE OTHER COMMENT.

YOU MENTIONED THE CWPP, THE WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN? HOW DO YOU INTEND TO SHAPE THE FUTURE OF WILDFIRE RESILIENCE UNDER THE CWPP?

>> AGAIN, IT'S A VERY DETAILED DOCUMENT.

IT'S GOING TO SHOW US WHERE THE HIGHEST RISKS ARE IN THE COUNTY, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE RECOMMENDED TREATMENTS FOR THOSE AREAS IN THE COUNTY.

AGAIN, THROUGH OUR COUNTY WIDE FUELS MITIGATION GROUP, AS WE COME TOGETHER IS DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND AGENCIES TO PARTNER ON THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP US FOCUS ON WHERE ARE THOSE CRITICAL AREAS? WHAT ARE THOSE MORE IMPORTANT AREAS THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON TO START THAT FUELS MITIGATION GROUP WORK, AND WHAT TYPE OF WORK THAT WOULD BE INGRESS EGRESS TO GET EQUIPMENT IN AND GET PEOPLE OUT DURING A WILDFIRE INCIDENT, DEFENSIBLE SPACE TYPE OF WORK.

MAYBE IT'S SOME STRATEGIC FUEL BREAKS OUT THERE.

BUT THAT DOCUMENTS REALLY GOING TO HELP US FOCUS ON WHERE THE IMPORTANT AREAS ARE AND WHAT TREATMENTS WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT TO GET THAT WORK DONE.

>> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

[R3 Receive a presentation from the Auditor-Controller regarding an update of the fee audits completed in Fiscal Years 2024 and 2025.]

>> R3. [INAUDIBLE] WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND OLD SHORT AUDITOR CONTROLLER.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE EFFORTS TOWARDS FEE AUDITS IN 2024 AND 2025.

THIS COVERS BOTH CALENDAR YEARS.

I WOULD NOTE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT SAYS FISCAL YEAR, BUT IT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE CALENDAR YEAR.

WE UPDATE OUR FEES EVERY YEAR IN JANUARY SO WHEN WE UPDATE NEW FEES, THEN OUR GOAL WILL BE TO SELECT FIVE OUT OF THAT CALENDAR YEAR AND HAVE THEM COMPLETED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS START OFF WITH A HISTORY OF OUR FEES.

PRIOR TO 2018, EVERY DEPARTMENT CALCULATED THEIR OWN FEES AND BROUGHT THOSE TO THE BOARD AS A PUBLIC HEARING SEPARATELY.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN 2018, WE DEVELOPED WHAT'S CALLED A MASTER FEE LIST FOR EASE OF THE PUBLIC AND LOCATING FEES AND TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC HEARINGS WE HAVE AND TO DO THINGS LIKE ENSURE THAT DEPARTMENTS ARE UPDATING THEIR FEES REGULARLY, A MASTER FEE LIST WAS CREATED.

AT THAT POINT, THE AUDITOR WAS TASKED WITH THE ROLE OF COLLECTING ALL OF THOSE FEES, COMPILING THEM, AND PRESENTING THEM TO THE BOARD.

WE ALSO TAKE ALL THE CALCULATIONS THAT ARE DONE BY DEPARTMENTS, AND WE PUT THEM TOGETHER INTO A BINDER AND MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO THE HEARINGS.

BUT I THINK THERE'S A MISNOMER THAT THE AUDITOR ALSO AUDITS THOSE FEES AT THAT TIME.

THAT IS NOT OUR ROLE AT THAT TIME.

WE WERE JUST A SELECTED DEPARTMENT TO GATHER AND PRESENT THOSE TO THE BOARD.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IN EARLY 2024, IT WAS DECIDED THAT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE WAS GOING TO AUDIT SOME FEES AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD, AND WE'LL GO OVER A COUPLE OF THOSE HERE IN A FEW MINUTES AND THEN WE ALSO IMPLEMENTED A FORMAL INTERNAL AUDIT PROGRAM THAT WE'LL BE USING GOING FORWARD.

>> THAT WASN'T THIS BOARD. THIS WAS THE PRIOR BOARD.

>> YES. AS AN OVERVIEW, THE AUDIT ENSURES, WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE CALCULATIONS ARE CORRECT.

WE'RE LOOKING OUT ALL THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.

WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING TRANSPARENCY.

ALL THESE DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

THE SCOPE OF OUR AUDIT AND INITIALLY STARTED WITH TWO FEES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.

THEN THERE'S VARIOUS GOVERNMENT CODE THAT ALLOWS THE BOARD TO ASK THE AUDITOR TO DO A STUDY OF FEES WHEN THEY'RE CONTESTED BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S HOW THIS INITIALLY STARTED IN EARLY 2024.

THEN AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT AUDIT, THE BOARD DID REQUEST AT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE HOW MUCH CAN WE DO TO INSERT OURSELVES INTO AUDITING THE FEES? WE LOOKED AT WITH THE EXISTING STAFF WE HAVE, WHAT DID WE THINK THAT WE COULD FIT INTO THE EXISTING WORKLOAD AND FIT THAT IN? WE COMMITTED TO DOING FIVE FEES EACH YEAR.

LAST YEAR, WE SPENT A GOOD PART OF THE YEAR DEVELOPING THAT FEE AUDIT PROGRAM, SO YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND AUDIT.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE SOME GUIDELINES FOR STAFF THAT ARE GOING OUT AND DOING THE AUDIT.

WE DEVELOPED A FORMAL FEE AUDIT PROGRAM, HAVE INSTRUCTIONS FOR OUR STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN GO OUT AND EFFECTIVELY DO THE FEE AUDIT.

THERE'S BEEN 14 FEES AUDITED SINCE INCEPTION.

OF COURSE, I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BENEFITS OF AUDIT ARE IN ADDITION TO UPHOLDING PUBLIC TRUST.

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FOR THE 2024 FEE AUDITS, THESE ARE THE FEES THAT WERE AUDITED OR SELECTED FOR AUDIT IN 2024.

THE INITIAL TWO FEES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP ARE AT THE TOP, THOSE ARE THE COUNTY CLERK FEES, AND THEN WE SELECTED FIVE FEES IN LATE 2024. THOSE ARE LISTED THERE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALTHOUGH WE SELECT FIVE, A LOT OF TIMES WE END UP AUDITING QUITE A FEW MORE THAN THAT.

WITH THE SHERIFF'S AUTOPSY FEE, IT'S COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FEE OR MORE USE FEE.

IN THAT CASE, IF THEY'RE INTERTWINED WITH OTHER FEES, WE END UP HAVING TO AUDIT ALL THE FEES TO DETERMINE IF THAT FEES, CORRECT.

THEN THE SAME THING WITH THE TREASURES, THE ERROR SPAN TO MULTIPLE SPREADSHEETS, AND SO IT AFFECTED MULTIPLE FEES IN THAT CASE.

THOSE WERE PRESENTED ON PREVIOUSLY, SO I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING OVER THOSE.

BECAUSE WE SELECTED IN LATE 2024, IN EARLY 2025, WE HAD NOT COMPLETED 2024 YET.

WE WENT AHEAD AND SELECTED THE 2025.

WE RAN BOTH AUDITS SIMULTANEOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW CAUGHT UP TO WHERE WE'VE COMPLETED ALL OF THOSE AUDITS, AND IN 2026, WE'LL BE READY TO SELECT OUR NEW FIVE AFTER THE FEES ARE ADOPTED IN JANUARY.

WE SELECTED FIVE FEES INITIALLY.

TWO OF THEM WHEN WE STARTED THE AUDIT, WE WERE INFORMED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE REMOVED IN 2026, SO WE SELECTED TWO ADDITIONAL FEES.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE THOSE TWO FEES THAT ARE CONSIDERED OBSOLETE NOW ARE STILL EXISTING ON THE MASTER FEE LIST, WE DID FOLLOW THROUGH AND COMPLETE THE AUDIT ON THOSE TWO FEES AS WELL.

THOSE TWO ARE LISTED AT THE BOTTOM. LET ME GO BACK ONE.

A SUMMARY, WE AUDITED 14, 13 FEES HAD AUDIT FINDINGS.

ONE FEE HAD NO AUDIT FINDINGS, BUT THAT WAS A FEE THAT WAS SET BY STATE LAW.

THERE'S BEEN NO FRAUD DETECTED.

THERE HAVE BEEN ERRORS, AND WE'LL GO OVER SOME OF THOSE AND SOME OF THE COMMON ISSUES THAT WE FOUND AND SOME OF THE TRAINING NEEDS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE PROCESS.

THEN SO FAR, WE HAVE ISSUED REFUNDS IN APRIL OF 2024, THE COUNTY CLERK ELECTIONS OFFICE ISSUED $14,000 IN REFUNDS TO 345 PARTICIPANTS.

THEN IN MAY OF 2025, THE TREASURY TAX COLLECTOR ISSUED $17,000 IN REFUNDS TO 1,350 PARTICIPANTS.

SOME OF OUR AUDIT RESULTS AND FINDINGS.

WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME RECURRING ISSUES.

THERE WAS A BIG ISSUE WITH A LACK OF PROPER SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, WHICH MADE IT DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE IF THE CHARGES WERE LEGITIMATE OR NOT.

WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH TIME TRACKING.

WHILE DEPARTMENTS CAN ESTIMATE IN YEAR ONE, BEYOND THAT, THEY HAVE TO BE SUPPORTED BY TIME STUDIES OR ACTUAL TIME RECORDS, SUCH AS TIME CARDS, AND SO SOME OF THAT WAS MISSING, AND WE WERE STILL USING ESTIMATES.

THERE WERE MATHEMATICAL MISTAKES SUCH AS TRANSPOSITIONS, AND SOME ERRORS IN FORMULAS THAT AFFECTED SOME OF THE STUFF WE WERE AUDITING.

THERE WERE MIS-CLASSIFICATIONS.

THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE EXCLUDED.

SOMETIMES, WE WOULD INCLUDE SALARIES, BUT NOT BENEFITS.

WE WOULDN'T INCLUDE COST PLAN CHARGES, THERE WERE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE EITHER MISSING.

THEN IN SOME CASES, WE HAD SOME ITEMS THAT WERE DUPLICATED THAT SHOWED IN TWO PLACES.

AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WE HAD SOME THAT HAD DIRECT CHARGE WHERE THEY HAD, LIKE, CERTIFIED MAIL.

THAT WAS A DIRECT CHARGE OF $6, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUT THEN THEY TOOK ALL OF THE OFFICE EXPENSE AND INCLUDED IN THE OVERHEAD, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBTRACT ANY OF THE DIRECT COSTS FIRST BEFORE THEY DO THAT.

ASIDE FROM A LOT OF THE COMMON ERRORS, WE ALSO HAD OTHER CALCULATION INACCURACIES, SUCH AS PRODUCTIVE HOURLY RATES WERE CALCULATED INCORRECTLY.

THE OVERHEAD STAFF TIME AND EMPLOYEE BENEFITS WERE CALCULATED INCORRECTLY.

THERE WAS SOME INCONSISTENT ROUNDING PRACTICES, SOME ROUNDED UP, WHERE ROUNDING UP IS NOT ALLOWABLE, AND THEN OTHERS ROUNDED DOWN, AND SOME OF THEM ROUNDED DOWN FAR BELOW LIKE TO THE NEAREST DOLLARS, SO THEY WOULD ROUND DOWN $5 OR $10.

WE HAD SOME INCONSISTENCIES WITH THAT.

WE HAD SOME REVENUE.

OUR PRACTICES IS THAT YOU DETERMINE WHAT YOUR COSTS ARE, AND THEN YOU SUBTRACT ANY REVENUE THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED TO OFFSET THAT.

IN SOME CASES, THE REVENUES WERE NOT OFFSETTING THE COST BEFORE THE FEE WAS DEVELOPED.

I DID HAVE A COMMENT FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLE CHARGING, AND FEELING LIKE WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THAT.

HOW ARE WE COLLECTING THAT? I EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT ANYTIME WE COLLECT FEES FOR REVENUE TO OFFSET A COST, IT'S OFFSETTING IT BEFORE WE DEVELOP THE FEE.

THERE'S NO DOUBLE CHARGE THERE.

THE WHOLE PREMISE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE THE USER OF THE SERVICE INSTEAD OF CHARGING JUST THE GENERAL TAXPAYERS.

WHEN WE DO THAT, THE REVENUE COLLECTED, FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS YOU DETERMINE THE COST AND OFFSET IT BY ANY OF THE REVENUE, AND THE REST IS SPREAD TO DEVELOP THE COST.

THEN THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH FEES NOT BEING REVIEWED REGULARLY.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT REGULARLY.

I THINK PARTIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE COST INCREASES EVERY YEAR.

OUR ADMIN POLICY 232 SAYS, DO IT ANNUALLY.

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BUT IT'S EASIER.

I THINK WE HAVE COST OF LIVING INCREASES, WE HAVE INFLATION, WE HAVE OTHER THINGS, IT'S EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC ALSO, I THINK TO HAVE SMALL INCREMENTAL CHANGES.THEY UNDERSTAND THOSE.

THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, DO YOU INCREASE A FEE BY $10.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS AS WELL, MAKING SURE THOSE GET UPDATED REGULARLY.

ONE OTHER ERROR THAT WE DID FIND, WHICH WE WILL BE CORRECTING THIS YEAR IS SOME OF THE FEES HAVE DIFFERENT ENACTMENT DATES, SO SOME OF THEM CAN BE ENACTED AFTER 30 DAYS, AND SOME OF THEM AFTER 60 DAYS.

WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE OUR POLICY THIS YEAR, AND WHEN WE BRING THE FEES FORWARD IN JANUARY, EVERYTHING WILL JUST BE ENACTED AFTER 60 DAYS.

THAT WAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHICH DEPARTMENTS ARE TELLING US THAT IT SHOULD BE 60 DAYS VERSUS 30 DAYS.

CONCLUSIONS AND NEXT STEPS.

WHAT WE DID FIND IS THAT WE DO THINK THAT THE FEE REVIEWS ARE PROVING TO BE VERY VALUABLE.

WE HAD 93% OF FEES AUDITED CONTAINED ERRORS.

REGULAR FEE AUDITS MAKE SURE THAT FEES REMAIN RELEVANT.

WE RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO FIVE FEES FROM THE MASTER FEE LIST EACH YEAR.

IF WE WANT TO DO MORE THAN THAT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY NEED ADDITIONAL STAFFING TO DO THAT.

BUT I DO THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ONLY DOING FIVE, IT'S ALLOWING US TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH DEPARTMENTS.

THE DEPARTMENTS DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR US TO AUDIT.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WHEN WE'RE FINDING ERRORS AND ONE OF THEIR FEES, WE'RE TELLING THEM, YOU NEED TO GO BACK, ONE OF THEIR DIRECTIVES AND REVIEW YOUR OTHER FEES TO SEE IF THOSE FEES ALSO HAVE THESE SAME ERRORS.

HOPEFULLY, IT'LL HAVE A WIDESPREAD EFFECT IN DOING THAT. AUDIT FINDINGS.

THERE WAS NO FRAUD, WHICH I THINK, HIGHLIGHTS INTEGRITY AMONG SHASTA COUNTY DEPARTMENT.

WE ARE COMMITTED TO.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF COMMON FINDINGS AND SEND IT OUT TO ALL DEPARTMENTS.

WE'RE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ONE ON ONE TRAINING, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE STAFFING CHANGES AND TURNOVER, THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO GO OUT AND DO THAT.

THEN WE MIGHT DO SOME TARGETED TRAININGS ON HOW TO CALCULATE PRODUCTIVE HOURLY RATES OR INDIRECT COST RATES AND GET THAT OUT.

WE'RE FITTING THAT IN BETWEEN, SO I CAN'T COMMIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT DONE IN THE NEXT WEEK AND WE'RE SHORT STAFFED BY QUITE A FEW.

WE WILL BE WORKING ON THAT AND WE'LL GET THAT OUT AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SUPER VALUABLE.

THEN THE LAST THING IS, IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.

I THINK ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS, IT'S NEVER FUN TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN AND DIG THROUGH YOUR STUFF AND AUDIT, ESPECIALLY A LOT OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE SHORT STAFFED AND HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT TURNOVERS SINCE COVID, AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN COOPERATIVE.

EVERYBODY'S BEEN PATIENT, AND EVERYBODY HAS PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS.

I THINK THEY ALL FIND IT VALUABLE.

I DON'T THINK THEY LOVE IT, BUT THEY FIND IT VALUABLE AND THEY'RE MAKING THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS GOING FORWARD.THEN OUR GOAL WOULD BE THAT WHEN WE SELECT FIVE NEXT YEAR, WE'LL DO A PRESENTATION NEXT YEAR IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER THE SAME TIME.

WE'LL JUST PLACE THE PRESENTATION ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR SO THAT IT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC.

I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH DETAIL UNLESS THIS BOARD DESIRES TO HAVE IT AS A REGULAR ITEM, AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANT TO REALLY JUST GIVE SOME CREDIT TO TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, BECAUSE YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE TURNOVER SINCE COVID AND THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS.

SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT HAD REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT THIS PROCESS WHEN I ASKED THEM AND WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS I KNOW YOU SAID THE PERCENTAGE WAS 93% CONTAINED ERRORS.

I THINK YOU HAD TOLD ME IT WAS 12 OF THE 14 THAT YOU AUDITED.

>> THIRTEEN OUT OF 14.

>> THIRTEEN OUT OF 14. I JUST WAS CURIOUS WHAT THE FEEDBACK WAS, AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY VERY THANKFUL.

THEY SAID, LIKE WE DIDN'T KNOW WE TOOK OVER THIS PROCESS FROM OUR PREDECESSOR, THIS IS WHAT IT'S DONE.

BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS STARTED BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC CAME AND SAID, HEY, THESE NOTARY FEES IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE ARE WRONG, AND THEY WERE TOLD THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.

AGAIN, I'M GOING BACKWARDS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK WE REFUNDED HOW MANY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

>> THAT ONE, I BELIEVE WE REFUNDED $14,000.

>> IT WAS $14,000 OF NOTARIES AND WE WERE THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE ENTIRE STATE IN SIX OF EIGHT CATEGORIES.

WHEN I HAD ASKED FOR THESE TO BE LOOKED AT, I GOT ABSOLUTELY LIT UP BY A BUNCH OF INDIVIDUALS ABOUT SAYING, LEAVE THEM ALONE, LET THEM DO THEIR JOB, IT'S GOVERNMENT, AND YET 93% WERE WRONG.

I'M JUST THANKFUL THAT YOU RECTIFIED THAT, AND THE STAFF WAS SO WILLING TO BE OPEN TO THAT AND JUST SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIDE, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR.

I DON'T THINK IT'S CORRUPTION.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FRAUD. I JUST THINK IT'S JUST OVERSIGHTS, AND IT WAS CORRECTED.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY UP HERE TO DO IS TO HAVE YOUR BACKS AND NOT TRY AND SHOVE A TACK ON YOU GUYS TO COVER OUR INDISCRETION AS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, REGARDLESS OF THE BODY.

I'M SORRY, I'M A LITTLE BIT PASSIONATE ABOUT PEOPLE'S MONEY, SO KNOW THAT YOU DID AN AMAZING JOB.

I THINK WE HAVE A PUBLIC SPEAKER, IS THAT CORRECT?

>>WE DO, CHAIR. WE HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, AND IT'S NICK GARDNER.

[02:10:05]

>> WHEN I SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA, I DECIDED TO DO MY OWN AUDIT AND FEES CHECK ON MY PROPERTY TAX BILL FOR THIS YEAR.

I OWN 1.03 ACRES RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A HOUSE ON IT.

THERE'S NEVER BEEN A BUILDING ON IT.

NOBODY'S EVER LIVED ON IT, BUT I'M PAYING $74.90 WORTH OF THE SCHOOL BONDS ON IT.

I THINK THAT YOU OUGHT TO CHECK THAT AND REFUND THAT MONEY FOR ME. THANK YOU.

>> THAT WAS OUR ONLY SPEAKER.

>> SUPERVISOR PLUMBER.

>> YES. THANK YOU, NODA.

THREE QUICK QUESTIONS.

ONE, HOW MANY FEES ARE THERE?

>> A LOT.

>> HOW MUCH?

>> I DIDN'T CALCULATE THAT.

>> THE BALLPARK, ARE WE TALKING? 50, 500, 2,000.

>> SEVERAL HUNDRED. AT LEAST A FEW HUNDRED.

>> THEN, OUT OF THE 13 THAT HAD FINDINGS, HOW MANY WERE THE FEES HIGHER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN VERSUS THE FEES BEING LOWER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN?

>> THEY DO GO BOTH WAYS.

THAT IS A CHALLENGE.

WE HAD SOME THAT HAD QUITE A FEW ERRORS, AND THEN THE ERRORS GO BACK AND FORTH.

LIKE YOU INCLUDED EXTRA HOURS, OR YOU DIDN'T JUSTIFY THOSE HOURS, BUT THEN YOU ALSO LEFT OFF THIS EXPENSE.

THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH IN THE AUDIT PROCESS.

OUR DIRECTION TO THEM IS TO GO BACK AND RECALCULATE THOSE FEES, AND THEN TO DETERMINE IF ANY OF THEM ARE MATERIAL DIFFERENCES BY MORE THAN $10 AND IF SO, TO ISSUE REFUNDS.

BUT WE DID NOT GO BACK AND RECALCULATE THOSE FEES.

I DON'T HAVE SOME OF THOSE FIGURES AS FAR AS WHICH ONES WENT UP AND WHICH ONES WENT DOWN.

THERE WERE QUITE A FEW THAT WE WERE BACK AND FORTH LIKE THAT.

THEN, IT'S DIFFICULT.

WE'RE AT LEAST MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE CORRECTING IT IN 2026, BUT SOME OF THEM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE STAFFING TO GO THROUGH AND RECALCULATE THE FEES FROM A PRIOR YEAR.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THAT [OVERLAPPING].

>> IT IS GOING BOTH WAYS. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THERE WERE EXPENSES THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED.

PEOPLE WERE BEING UNDER CHARGED AND THERE WERE SOME WHERE, THERE WERE EXPENSES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, NOT MATERIAL.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE A $6 OFFICE EXPENSE, NONE OF THOSE WERE VERY SIGNIFICANT.

BUT PROBABLY THE BIGGER CONCERN IS THE ESTIMATION OF HOURS.

I ESTIMATE IT TAKES ME 5 HOURS TO DO THAT.

WELL, NOW YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT TAKES YOU 5 HOURS TO DO THAT.

FIVE HOURS MAY BE CORRECT, BUT IT MAY NOT BE CORRECT.

WE CAN'T VERIFY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO TIME STUDY AND NO TIME CARDS FOR THAT.

WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT GOING FORWARD.

>> IF THE FINDINGS WERE THAT THE FEES WERE BELOW WHAT THE CALCULATIONS WOULD SHOW IN TERMS OF THE COSTS, THEN WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION TO RECOVER THAT, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THEN I KNOW DURING YOUR BUDGET HEARING PRESENTATION, YOU SHARED YOUR COSTS BROKEN OUT BY FUNCTION.

THERE WAS A LINE AROUND AUDITS THAT WAS LIKE $75,000.

I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT INCLUDES BOTH THE AUDIT OF THESE FEES AS WELL AS OTHER AUDITS, OR IS THAT JUST THIS?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO ALSO THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR PLUMBER. SUPERVISOR CALSTON.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, ALDA.

GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS, SO YOU'RE AMAZING.

BUT SOME OF THESE FEES, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT, AND SOME OF THESE FEES ARE GOING THE OTHER WAY, AS NOT BEING TOO HIGH, BUT BEING TOO LOW.

I KNOW SAN EWING, WHEN HE TOOK OVER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, FOUND THAT WE WERE GOING IN NEGATIVE ON, LIKE, AN AIR QUALITY OR CLEAN AIR DEPARTMENT.

I KNOW JUST HAPPENED IN ANDERSON WAS THEY HAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEIRS AND THEIR SEWER HOOKUPS, I MEAN, AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN RAISING THEM EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR THE LAST 15-20 YEARS.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THERE ARE A FEW THAT I HAVE MY EYE ON THAT HAVEN'T DONE THEIR FEES IN QUITE A WHILE.

AIR QUALITY IS ONE OF THEM.

THEN COUNTY FIRE IS ANOTHER ONE, WHERE SOME OF THE FEES HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE, LIKE, THE 90S. I'M SCARED OF THAT ONE.

>> 90S. THAT'S AWESOME.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. OUR FOUR.

[R4 Take the following actions: (1) Receive a presentation from Jonathan Anderson, Good News Rescue Mission Executive Director, regarding the use of Opioid Litigation Settlement funds; (2) approve a request from Good News Rescue Mission for use of Opioid Settlement Funding; and (3) approve a budget amendment which increases appropriations and revenue by $2,206,000 in the Opioid Settlement Budget (BU 430) (Sponsored by Supervisor Crye).]

THIS IS SPONSORED BY MYSELF.

HOW MANY PUBLIC COMMENTERS DO YOU HAVE FOR THIS ONE, MISS BING CHIP?

>> SUPERVISOR [INAUDIBLE].

>> SUPERVISOR PLUMBER.

>> I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS.

I WORK AS A CONSULTANT, YOU COULD SAY, WITH THE COMPANY THAT LOOKS LIKE THE GOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION IS GOING TO BE EMPLOYED TO BUILD THIS.

I WILL STEP OUT.

>> YOU'RE CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT WITH HIM?

>> WITH THE COLLECTION OF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDING THIS CAMPUS.

[02:15:04]

>> WE'LL GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO EXIT.

HASN'T HE VOTED ON OTHER STUFF IN THE SAME ANYWAY? MR ANDERSON, WELCOME.

>> BOARD. CHAIR, THANK YOU.

GREATLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT BEFORE YOU TODAY.

NOT ALL OF YOU MAY BE AWARE, BUT OUR BOARD AND OUR TEAM OVER THE PAST 12-18 MONTHS HAVE REALLY PUT TOGETHER A ROADMAP FOR OUR ORGANIZATION THAT WE BELIEVE WILL CREATE INCREDIBLE TRANSFORMATION AND HEALING FOR SHASTA COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

TO THE DEGREE THAT IN THE PAST 18 MONTHS, WE HAVE BUILT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THOSE 18 MONTHS THAN WE HAVE IN 60 YEARS OF COMBINED HISTORY.

WE HAVE SPENT PRETTY MUCH OUR LAST DOLLAR INTO BUILDING THIS ENTIRE FOUNDATION.

TODAY, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ROADMAP SO YOU CAN SEE THE FULL PICTURE.

SPECIFICALLY, AS I START, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK IS THAT THIS BOARD WOULD APPROVE $2.2 MILLION IN OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS TO BE A MATCH FOR AN $18 MILLION GRANT THAT THE STATE HAS CONDITIONALLY AWARDED US.

INCREDIBLE RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS.

IT IS NO SURPRISE.

THERE IS A HUGE NEED FOR OPIOID TREATMENT HERE IN SHASTA COUNTY.

IN OUR PRELIMINARY RESEARCH, WHEN WE DID THIS GRANT, WHAT WE FOUND IS THERE'S AN ESTIMATED 12,000 PEOPLE COUNTY-WIDE WHO HAVE SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS.

SINCE THEN, WE HAVE LEARNED THAT NUMBER IS PROBABLY MUCH HIGHER THAN JUST 12,000.

THERE IS A HUGE, HUGE NEED IN OUR AREA.

PEOPLE WHO ARE BATTLING SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER, PARTICULARLY OPIOID TREATMENT.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THIS, SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY QUICKLY TO GIVE YOU TIME FOR THAT.

THE ROADMAP THAT WE HAVE ENVISIONED STARTS WITH STREET OUTREACH.

OUR TEAM CURRENTLY IS IN HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS.

WE ARE GOING AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO TRADITIONALLY DO NOT WANT TO TAKE PART IN SERVICES.

OVER THE PAST 11 YEARS, TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE, OUR ORGANIZATION HAS PROVIDED SERVICES FOR 18,000 PEOPLE LOCALLY HERE IN SHASTA COUNTY.

THAT IS NOT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE IN HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS.

THOSE ARE GENERALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ENGAGING IN SERVICES.

OUR TEAM CURRENTLY IS IN ENCAMPMENTS, DOING OUTREACH, DOING CASE MANAGEMENT, BUILDING TRUST AND RAPPORT WITH THE POPULATION OF PEOPLE THAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON THE STREETS, SLEEPING IN BUS STOPS, IN ENCAMPMENTS.

THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS THAT AS WE BUILD THAT TRUST AND RAPPORT, WE THEN GO INTO PHASE 1 OF WHAT THIS ADULT REHABILITATION CAMPUS THAT I'M PROPOSING TODAY.

PHASE 1 IS A FOUR-AND-A-HALF-MILLION-DOLLAR DAY CENTER WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME STRAIGHT OUT OF ENCAMPMENTS, THEY CAN GO INTO THIS DAY CENTER, AND THERE IS A HOST OF SOCIAL SERVICES THAT WILL PROVIDE RESOURCES TO THEM.

WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS ENGAGING AS POSSIBLE TO ATTRACT AS MANY PEOPLE OUT OF ENCAMPMENTS INTO THIS FACILITY, AND THEN MAKE IT ENTICING TO WHERE THEY SAY, I WOULD RATHER HAVE RESOURCES THAN GO BACK TO SLEEPING ON THE STREETS.

A PART OF THAT IS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OUTPATIENT TREATMENT SERVICES FOR ABOUT 250 PEOPLE THROUGH THAT FACILITY.

ONCE PEOPLE ARE IN THE DAY CENTER, THEY'RE GETTING USED TO THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE.

IT COULD BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS LOW-LEVEL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, OUTPATIENT TREATMENT, A HOST OF RESOURCES.

WE THEN WANT TO TRANSITION THEM INTO WHAT IS PHASE 2, WHICH IS AN $18,000,000, 75-BED RESIDENTIAL SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER TREATMENT FACILITY.

THIS IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE HIGHLY ADDICTED TO OPIOIDS CAN NOW STAY FOR 30, 60, 90 DAYS, AND WE ARE DOING THEIR MEDICAL SUPERVISION, THEIR RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT, LIFE SKILLS.

WE'RE INVESTING INTO THEM WHILE THEY ARE GOING THROUGH MEDICALLY ASSISTED TREATMENT.

THE BEAUTIFUL PART ABOUT THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS JUST LIKE OUR SUCCESS WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER PROGRAMS. IT IS INFUSED WITH A TON OF CASE MANAGEMENT, A TON OF LIFE SKILLS.

IT'S NOT JUST A 30, 60, 90-DAY PROGRAM.

WE HAVE POSTGRADUATE CARE.

NOW, A PERSON CAN GO FROM AN ENCAMPMENT TO A DAY CENTER, INTO OPIOID TREATMENT.

AFTER OPIOID TREATMENT, WE THEN TAKE THEM INTO OUR LONG-TERM DRUG AND ALCOHOL RECOVERY SERVICES.

[02:20:02]

THEN WE TRANSITION THEM INTO INTERIM HOUSING.

IF ANY OF YOU'VE TAKEN A TOUR, YOU'VE SEEN OUR 17-UNIT MICRO SHELTER COMMUNITY.

WHEN I SAY WE'VE BEEN INVESTING OUR LAST DOLLAR INTO INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE BUYING APARTMENTS.

WE'RE INVESTING INTO HOUSING.

HOUSING IS CRITICAL.

PEOPLE GO NOW FROM THE LONG-TERM DRUG ALCOHOL INTO INTERIM HOUSING THAT HAS LIFE SKILLS.

IT HAS EMPLOYMENT ATTACHED TO IT.

IT HAS JOB READINESS, THE WHOLE BIT.

A PERSON WILL SPEND TEN MONTHS TO 12 MONTHS IN THAT INTERIM HOUSING, AND THEN WE TRANSITION THEM INTO PERMANENT HOUSING WITH CONTINUED EMPLOYMENT WITH CONTINUED CASE MANAGEMENT, AND AFTER A YEAR OF THAT, THEY THEN GRADUATE INTO POST-GRADUATE CARE.

EFFECTIVELY, A PERSON WILL HAVE ABOUT THREE YEARS CLEAN AND SOBER, TWO YEARS EMPLOYED, AND WE HAVE WRAPPED A COMMUNITY AROUND THEM, EFFECTIVELY REDUCING THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM RELAPSING AND GOING BACK TO A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT.

THAT IS THE ROADMAP THAT WE BUILT.

THAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE ARE PROBABLY A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS INVESTED INTO THE CONSTRUCTION ON PHASE 1.

THAT PHASE 1 WILL WRAP UP HERE IN MAY OF 2026 WILL BE OPERATIONAL IN SEPTEMBER 2026.

THIS MARCH, WE WILL BREAK GROUND ON THIS $18 MILLION FACILITY, AND THAT WILL BE OPERATIONAL IN 2027.

WE ARE ACTUALLY MOVING FASTER THAN I THINK ANYBODY IN THIS PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA; THE STATE REALLY LIKES THAT.

THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR THE 2.2 MILLION TODAY IS THAT THE STATE ORIGINALLY ACCEPTED OUR $2.2 MILLION MATCHING GRANT.

AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO, THE STATE SAID WE CAN'T ACCEPT YOUR MATCHING GRANT BECAUSE IT CAME TO US AS A LOAN, NOT AS A GRANT.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FORGIVABLE LOAN, IT CAME TO YOU AS A LOAN, NOT A GRANT; YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH 2.2 MILLION.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE 2.2 MILLION FROM THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE APPROVED AVENUES FOR USING OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS IS FOR A BACHCHIP MATCH.

THIS IS AN APPROVED SOURCE OF THOSE FUNDS.

THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO BREAK GROUND ON THIS IN MARCH.

THEN YOU WILL SEE A HUGE TRANSFORMATION IN OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

SEVENTY-FIVE PEOPLE ARE GETTING OPIOID TREATMENT, AND 250 PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET OUTPATIENT SERVICES IN AN ENTIRE ROADMAP THAT INCLUDES HOUSING, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND ENSURES PEOPLE WON'T GO BACK TO THE STREET.

I'LL OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> SUPERVISOR LONG.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION, JONATHAN.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I'VE ENJOYED THE TOURS I'VE HAD OUT AT YOUR FACILITY AND SEEING ALL OF THESE THINGS FIRSTHAND.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE APPROVAL AND SOME EXIGENCY AS FAR AS TIMELINES FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY, AND HOW THAT FITS INTO THE PATTERN? DID THE STATE AT ONE POINT APPROVE? CAN JUST TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY. WE'VE BEEN IN THE CONDITIONAL AWARD PROCESS, GOING THROUGH ALL THE LOOPHOLES TO GET ENCUMBRANCES OFF OF PROPERTIES, CLEAR THE TITLE REPORTS, ALL OF THAT.

ALL OF THAT IS GOING VERY WELL.

IT'S JUST THE LAST COMPONENT WHEN THE STATE LOOKED AT OUR ORIGINAL MATCHING FUNDS BECAUSE THEY CAME AS THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED THEM AS A FIVE-YEAR FORGIVABLE LOAN.

THEY CONSIDERED THAT AS DEBT AS OPPOSED TO A GRANT.

THEY SAID WE HAVE ABOUT THREE WEEKS TO COME UP WITH $2.2 MILLION TO SECURE THIS $18 MILLION GRANT.

ONCE THAT IS DONE, WE ARE FULLY APPROVED AT THAT POINT AND BREAK GROUND.

>> EXCELLENT. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT HERE IS THAT YOU'RE DOWN TO THREE WEEKS FOR STATE APPROVAL ON IT'S A $20 MILLION PROJECT.

>> TWENTY-ONE MILLION.

>> BECAUSE IT WAS YOU HAD SAID 18, WHICH I THINK WAS THAT'S ONE PART OF IT, AND THEN THE TWO WOULD BE THE OPIOID MATCH.

THAT WOULD BRING IT UP TO 2.2 AND THEN BRING IT UP TO ALMOST 21.

>> CORRECT. ALSO, THE PHASE 1 OF THAT WAS FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

THIS IS A WHOLE CAMPUS.

$4.5 MILLION, YOU CAN ADD THAT INTO THAT FIGURE AS WELL.

WE'RE ABOUT 24 MILLION OR SO.

>> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR LONG. SUPERVISOR HARMON.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. GOOD JOB.

I DID GET TO LISTEN TO YOU THE OTHER NIGHT AT THE LITTLE PRESENTATION FUNDRAISER FOR ROBERT CRONIC.

[02:25:09]

BUT WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT INTO THE CAMPS, AND I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I JUST WANT A LITTLE MORE.

IT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU FEEL? LET'S SAY THIS PROGRAM GETS ALL SET UP AND IT'S UP AND RUNNING AND EVERYTHING'S GOING FINE.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR ABILITY TO OVERCOME WHAT'S OUT THERE? BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A LOT. YOU JUST SAID 12,000, PROBABLY RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THE HOMELESS.

I'M SPECIFIC TO THE HOMELESS.

HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE IN THE HOMELESS COMMUNITIES? HOW DO YOU FEEL? I MEAN, WOULD DOUBLE THIS AMOUNT GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE, OR IS THIS? GO AHEAD.

>> THROUGH OUR DATA AND RESEARCH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LATEST COC COUNT WAS, BUT HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE SOMEWHERE AROUND 700 OR SO PEOPLE WHO SLEEP IN THE ENCAMPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF READING.

OUR ORGANIZATION WILL SEE USUALLY AROUND 2,500 PEOPLE ANNUALLY.

THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT POPULATIONS OF PEOPLE.

THE POPULATION WE TRADITIONALLY SERVE, YOU GENERALLY DON'T WIND BACK UP ON THE STREET.

THAT 700 OR SO THAT ARE IN THE ENCAMPMENTS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON.

IF WE CAN GET THIS FACILITY REALLY, I MEAN, JUST FIRING ON ALL CYLINDERS, WHICH I KNOW WE CAN, YOU WILL START TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS DWINDLE DOWN WITH A RAPID PACE.

I MEAN, WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF HOMELESSNESS WITHIN SHASTA COUNTY, THEY OFTENTIMES THINK OF SAN FRANCISCO OR LA THAT'S 60,000 PEOPLE.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT 700 WHO SLEEP ON THE STREETS HERE.

BUT YOU DO HAVE ABOUT 60,000 HERE WHO LIVE WELL BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL.

THE POTENTIAL IS ASTRONOMICAL FOR US.

WHY ORGANIZATION, LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, WE ARE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR TODAY FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE THE NEED WILL BE FIVE YEARS AND 10 YEARS OUT.

THIS IS JUST OUR FIRST STEP.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND CONTINUE TO SCALE THAT, BUT WE'RE ALSO PARTNERING WITH OTHER AGENCIES TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE NEEDS AS WELL.

THE DEMAND IS HIGH, IT'S HIGH.

>> MY QUESTIONS ARE JUST INFORMATIVE.

>> I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

THAT'S NOT WHY I'M QUESTIONING.

ANOTHER QUESTION IS, AND IT GOT BROUGHT UP THE OTHER NIGHT, AND IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN, BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO SOUND LIKE I DON'T CARE ABOUT OTHER COMMUNITIES.

BUT YOU PUT A PROGRAM LIKE THAT TOGETHER.

WHAT ARE YOU ATTRACTING? THE VOLUME GOES UP BECAUSE YOU'RE HOPING THE NEXT COUNTY IS TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROBLEMS. HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY NOT MAKE THE PROBLEM BIGGER?

>> YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

THIS IS A QUESTION I LOVE TO SPEAK TO.

OUR ORGANIZATION, WHEN YOU EVEN LOOK AT OUR MISSION STADIUM, WE ARE SPECIFIC TO SHASTA COUNTY.

THERE ARE SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL GET PAID MONEY TO BRING PEOPLE IN FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE DO.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CONDONE, AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE WILL EVER DO.

OUR BOARD IS AGAINST THAT, OUR TEAM IS AGAINST THAT.

AS I WAS TELLING KEVIN ON HIS RADIO SHOW, I CAN DO YOU ONE BETTER.

IN FACT, WHAT OUR ORGANIZATION DID IS WE PARTNERED A WHILE BACK WITH JOE WONG AND SOME OTHER PRIVATE FUNDERS.

WE DEVELOPED WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE JOURNEY HOME PROGRAM.

IF PEOPLE COME TO OUR COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY'RE STRANDED HERE.

THEY HAVE FRIENDS OR FAMILY.

BACK IN THOSE COMMUNITIES, WE WILL GET THEM BUS PASSES TO GO BACK TO THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND HELP THEM ESTABLISH CARE AND SUPPORT IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY.

OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, WE'VE NOW DONE THAT WITH 800 PEOPLE.

AS OPPOSED TO BRINGING PEOPLE IN, WE'VE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED PROGRAMS TO REUNITE PEOPLE WITH THEIR FAMILIES TO PROVIDE THEM BETTER CARE.

WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT WHAT WE WOULD TERM A REGIONAL MODEL.

NOW, THIS IS WELL DOWN THE LINE.

WHEN I SAY REGIONAL MODEL, WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS, THERE ARE SURROUNDING COUNTIES WHO DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUALITY CARE.

WHAT OUR TEAM WANTS TO DO IS SAY, HEY, WE'VE FIGURED OUT A SYSTEM AND A STRUCTURE TO DO THIS REALLY WELL.

HOW ABOUT WE SEND OUR TEAMS INTO YOUR COUNTY, AND WE CONSULT WITH YOU AND WE HELP YOU BUILD AND ESTABLISH THE SAME MODELS IN YOUR COUNTY, SO YOU CAN PROVIDE THE CARE THERE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND THEM TO OURS.

[02:30:03]

>> NICE. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANKS FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

>> I APPRECIATE IT.

>> I THINK IT'S AMAZING. I LOVE IT.

LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP.

>> SUPERVISOR KELSTROM. THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR HARMON.

>> YEAH, A LITTLE BIT ALONG SUPERVISOR HARMON'S QUESTIONS THERE.

SUPERVISOR PLUMMER HAD BROUGHT FORWARD A NET ZERO HOMELESS HOUSING FOR VETERANS, AND ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, IT LOOKED FANTASTIC. IT SEEMED GREAT.

BUT WHERE IT HAD BEEN TRIED IN OTHER PLACES, IT JUST ATTRACTED MORE AND MORE, AND LOOKING INTO IT, IT DIDN'T REALLY WORK VERY WELL.

READING OVER THIS THING, AND AGAIN, I'M ALL FOR IT.

WE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

WHATEVER WE'VE BEEN DOING IS NOT WORKING.

AGAIN, FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

IT SOUNDS WONDERFUL.

BUT ALSO THE ARCH COLLABORATIVE PROJECT FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN.

WHEN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT LOOKED GREAT, TOO.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT HERE THAN SAY THE ARCH COLLABORATIVE? THERE'S NO ACUTE CARE BEDS OR ANYTHING IN YOURS.

THIS IS BASICALLY JUST WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ON THE DRUG ADDICTED HOMELESS VERSUS MENTAL ILLNESS.

>> CORRECT. WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH CRISIS STABILIZATION.

CRISIS STABILIZATION, SOMEONE WHO'S A 5150, 5250 HOLD OR NOW CAN BE CONSERVED EVEN LONGER UNDER STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

THAT'S NOT OUR LEVEL OF CARE.

OUR LEVEL OF CARE IS WHERE OUR EXPERTISE IS, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY CATERING TO PEOPLE WHO CAN PROVIDE CARE FOR THEMSELVES, BUT NEED THAT OPIOID TREATMENT.

IT'S THE POPULATION OF PEOPLE WE SERVE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND HAVE FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS, REALLY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SPECIFIC TO AND SPECIFIC TO THE PEOPLE RIGHT HERE IN OUR HOMETOWN.

>> IT'S NOT A LOCKED FACILITY?

>> IT'S 24-HOUR FACILITY. IT'S RESIDENTIAL.

ALL SUPERVISED AND MANAGED CARE WITH 24-HOUR STAFF, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A JAIL FACILITY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

NO. WHEN YOU SAY LOCK FACILITY, WE GO OUR SHELTER GOES ON LOCKDOWN AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT FOR OUR OWN SAFETY.

THAT'S THE TYPE OF LOCKED THAT WOULD BE, BUT NOT LIKE JAIL OR CORRECTION FACILITY OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FACILITY THAT HAS TO BE LOCKED.

NOTHING LIKE THAT.

>> DO YOU MIND IF I ASK MISS COLEMAN UP FOR A QUESTION?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I FORGOT TO GIVE YOU THE RENDERINGS ON THE SLIDE. I HOPE YOU SAW THOSE.

>> WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY, KRISTI.

IF YOU COULD JUST CLARIFY, BECAUSE AGAIN I THOUGHT THE ARCH COLLABORATIVE WAS A GREAT PROJECT, AND I WAS 100% FOR.

BUT WHEN I TALKED TO YOU AND CEO RICKERT AND A FEW OTHER PEOPLE, THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME LIABILITY ISSUES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN BURDENSOME ON THE COUNTY.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ONE? DO WE HAVE THOSE LIABILITIES?

>> THE DIFFERENCE WITH THIS ONE IS WHEN WE HAVE OUR DRUG MEDICAL, IT'S THROUGH PARTNERSHIP, IT'S NOT THROUGH THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY HAS LESS LIABILITY AND LESS WORK THAT THEY HAVE TO DO ON THEIR SIDE, IT FALLS ON PARTNERSHIP SIDE.

WITH THE ARCH COLLABORATIVE, WE'D HAVE TO DO ALL THE AUDITING AND STUFF LIKE THAT WITH THIS ONE THAT GOES WITH PARTNERSHIP.

IT'S ON PARTNERSHIPS DIME TO DO THAT.

WE ARE PART OF A REGIONAL MODEL FOR THE DRUG MEDIC HEALTH SERVICES, AND SO THE REGIONAL MODEL, IF THEY OPTED INTO THAT, THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR CLIENTS TO COME HERE FROM OTHER COUNTIES, BUT IF THEY DON'T OPT INTO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY AND A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.

THE REIMBURSEMENT RATE FOR THESE SERVICES ARE ALSO A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT OUR MENTAL HEALTH REIMBURSEMENT RATE IS.

>> YOU'RE FOR THIS PROJECT?

>> YES, WE DID READ THIS.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, JONATHAN.

>> I'LL JUST BE QUICK SINCE THIS IS AN ITEM THAT I BROUGHT UP, BUT THE SHERIFFS FOR IT.

BUT ALSO, ONE THING I WANT TO, AS WE TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY'RE APPLES AND ORANGES, BUT THE ONE THING ABOUT THE GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION IS THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS.

JONATHAN ANDERSON PERSONALLY HAS BEEN DOING THIS WORK FOR 11 YEARS.

HE DOESN'T WAVER. THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN COMPARE REALLY ANY ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE THE ONE THING AND I'LL SAY THIS, AND I'LL SAY THIS OVER AND OVER.

HE WAS LOOKING AT FUNDING THIS HIMSELF, PRIVATELY, GOING THROUGH EITHER A LOAN PROCESS OR FUND RAISING.

HIS BIGGEST DETERRENT AND THE THING THAT I'VE FLEECED HIM ABOUT IS HE SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME ABOUT THIS THREE OR SIX MONTHS AGO, SO IT DIDN'T HAVE TO COME THIS LATE, BUT GREAT ORGANIZATION, GREAT PRESENTATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

LET'S TAKE THOSE, MISS BLANKENSHIP.

>> WE DO, CHAIR. WE HAVE EIGHT SPEAKERS, SO IT'LL BE THREE MINUTES EACH.

FIRST UP IS DOLORES SUERO, FOLLOWED BY DON DUCKETT, DAVID HALLIGAN, THEN JEFF CARTER.

IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET IN QUEUE.

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>> THIS ITEM I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, BUT I WILL ACTUALLY GIVE YOU SOME UPDATES ON THIS ITEM THAT I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE.

I WENT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND I DID PULL SOME INFORMATION ON THIS, AND I SEE LINDA KAT IS ON THERE AS SECRETARY, WHICH IS NO BIG DEAL.

BUT I DID DO MY RESEARCH AND REGARDING YOU KNOW THAT ERIC MAGRINI IS ON THE BOARD. JUST SO YOU KNOW.

ERIC MAGRINI AND HIS WIFE IS ON THE BOARD.

I HOPE YOU THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MR. ERIC MAGRINI, I DON'T LIKE HIM. I NEVER HAVE.

IT MIGHT BE A GOOD PROJECT A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HELP PEOPLE.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY, SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T HELP PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO DO WHAT THEY DO.

THE DRUGS IS AN ADDICTION, BUT IT'S ALSO A CHOICE.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE WHO'S GOING TO BE ADDICTED TO SOMETHING EVERYWHERE.

SOMETHING, MEANING ANYTHING.

DRUGS IS GOING TO BE THERE, BUT YOU CAN'T FIX THEM AFTER THEY'VE BEEN GONE SO LONG, BUT IT'S MAYBE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY.

YOU COULD HELP THEM.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A STRONG WILL PERSON TO WANT TO CHANGE, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE GOD IN YOUR LIFE, IN YOUR HEART TO WANT TO.

YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT GOD.

YOU COULD DO IT WITH ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU AND PROVIDE YOU EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

I BELIEVE THAT GOD IS THE ONE WHO WILL CHANGE PEOPLE.

YOU COULD THROW ALL THE MONEY INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND THEY'LL STILL COME OUT THE SAME WAY.

MAYBE WORSE BECAUSE WHEN THEY GO INTO WHERE THEY FALL BACK TRYING TO CLEAN THEM UP, THEY GO INTO THIS WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE DRUG EVEN MORE.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT ERIC MAGRINI IS ON THE BOARD.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE MONEY TO THIS ORGANIZATION, I HOPE YOU KNOW YOU'RE GIVING IT TO NOT JUST TO THE ORGANIZATION.

IT'S ALSO ERIC MAGRINI. THERE YOU GO.

I'M SURE YOU'LL PROBABLY WILL APPROVE IT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF KEVIN'S CHRIST'S PROJECTS.

>> NEXT UP, DON DUCKETT FOLLOWED BY DAVID HALLIGAN, JEFF CARTER, THEN STEVE KAHN.

>> WELCOME.

>> MORNING BOARD. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO LEVERAGE THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS.

IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.

IN MY OPINION, OPIOID ADDICTION LEADS TO SO MANY OTHER DRAINS ON SOCIETY IN THE COUNTY COFFERS.

OPIOID ADDICTION LEADS TO HOMELESSNESS.

IT LEADS TO BEING INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES.

I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, AND SO DO YOU, KEVIN, MY FAMILY MEMBER THAT WAS SEVERELY ADDICTED TO OPIOIDS, AND HE BECAME INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

HE WAS IN THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS, AND IT WAS WRAPAROUND SERVICES DESCRIBED HERE TODAY IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT LED TO HIM BEING CLEAN AND SOBER FOR SIX YEARS.

HE'S NOW MAKING SIX FIGURES BECAUSE OF THE JOB TRAINING THAT HE WENT TO.

HE'S PAYING MORE IN TAXES THAN WAS EVER CONTRIBUTED TOWARDS HIS TREATMENT AND REHABILITATION.

IT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, I ALSO WANT TO COMMEND MR. ANDERSON AND THE STAFF FROM GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION FOR AN OUTSTANDING PROPOSAL AND THE OUTSTANDING SERVICES THAT YOU'VE ALL PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA OF SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT OVER MANY YEARS.

NOW, DURING MY WORK IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, I WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION AND HAD NUMEROUS CLIENTS ATTAINED LIFE CHANGING AND SUCCESS THROUGH THEIR PROGRAM.

I SUPPORT THE $2 MILLION MATCH.

THEY'RE A RELIABLE PARTNER.

MUCH THOUGHT AND PLANNING HAS GONE INTO THIS PROGRAM.

IF YOU WANTED TO STRIKE IT DOWN, YOU COULD FIND RISKS TO IT, JUST AS YOU COULD FIND RISK WITH TRUE NORTH, IF WE WANTED TO NICKEL AND DIAMOND AND SAY, IT'S A 30-YEAR COMMITMENT, AND THESE ARE MEDICAL ASSOCIATED FOLKS,

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IF YOU WANTED TO NIT PICK IT, YOU COULD.

THERE ARE RISK INVOLVED.

BUT ANY BENEFITS TO THIS PROJECT, IN WHICH THERE ARE MANY WILL DRAMATICALLY OUTWEIGH ANY RISKS.

I'M SUPPORTING THE PROJECT.

BEAR IN MIND THAT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE OPERATIONAL UNTIL 2027.

WE STILL HAVE THE NEED TO SUPPORT ONGOING TREATMENT EFFORTS.

AS YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR OR ALMOST A YEAR SINCE SOME 11 DIFFERENT SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT ORGANIZATIONS APPEARED BEFORE THIS BOARD WERE INVITED TO COME BACK QUICKLY.

NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN INVITED BACK.

THE JAIL MATT PROGRAM, EMPIRE RECOVERY, HILL COUNTRY, MYERS MEMORIAL.

ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS FUNDING.

THIS IS NOT TAXPAYER MONEY, WHICH I THINK MAKES SOME DIFFERENCE.

THIS MONEY HAS COME FROM THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES AND THE DRUG MANUFACTURERS, THE PHARMACISTS OR WHOEVER WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THIS PROBLEM.

IF YOU HAD TAXPAYER MONEY, MAYBE YOU WORK EVEN A FURTHER STANDARD OF REVIEW HERE.

BUT THIS TWO MILLION.

THIS IS RIGHT IN THE BALLPARK OF WHERE THESE FUNDS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO.

I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SPENT WISELY, THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE TRANSFORMATIVE.

BUT LET'S CONSIDER THE OTHER 10 MILLION THAT WE STILL HAVE IN THE POT AND WHY ARE WE NOT PROVIDING ANY TREATMENT USING THOSE DOLLARS TO THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS NOW IN 2025, IN 2026.

LET'S GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT UP, STEVE KAHN, FOLLOWED BY LESLIE, THEN JENNY, THAN BENJAMIN DEWAYNE.

IF I CALLED YOUR NAME, PLEASE GET AND QUEUE.

>> BOARD, I'M GLAD TO SEE KEVIN CRAY IS NOW FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITUATION.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

I KNOW HE'S TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS THING NOW, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A LONG TIME.

I'M IMPRESSED WITH JONATHAN IN THAT I WAS AT A LOT OF A FEW OF THE MEETINGS THAT THE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD DISCUSSED WHAT WAS MOSTLY NEEDED TO AFFECT THE DRUG PROBLEMS IN SHASTA COUNTY.

WHAT WAS STATED, EVEN BY THOSE THAT WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADVANTAGE TO SERVING THOSE SITUATIONS WAS RESIDENTIAL CARE MEDICATION ASSISTED TREATMENT.

INVARIABLY, ALL OF THEM SAID THAT WAS WHAT OUR MAJOR NEED WAS IN READING AND SHASTA COUNTY.

THIS FULFILLS A PORTION OF THAT NEED.

ALSO THE LONG-TERM FOLLOW UP CARE THAT THEY HAVE IN THIS PROGRAM, I THINK, WILL BE VERY SIGNIFICANT AS FAR AS LONG-TERM SUCCESS.

I THINK THAT'S HOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROLLING IN AND OUT OF TREATMENT WHEN YOU HAVE LONG-TERM FOLLOW UP AND LONG-TERM PROGRAMS TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF DRUG ADDICTION FOR THE LONG TERM.

NOW, A FEW PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT'S A CHOICE OR WHATEVER, BUT INCLUDING KEVIN CRAY, SAID THAT HIS BROTHER MADE BAD CHOICES AND DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WAS AVAILABLE.

THAT IS THE DISEASE.

THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE DISEASES THAT THEY DO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE CHOICES AS THEY CAME ALONG.

THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE BEEN ON THE DRUGS FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.

YOU CAN'T EXPECT A DRUG ADDICT TO GO OUT THERE AND MAKE THE CORRECT CHOICES AS FAR AS GETTING THE ASSISTANCE THEY NEED BECAUSE THEY'RE INCAPABLE OF IT.

MAYBE AFTER A WHILE WITH MEDICATION ASSISTED TREATMENT AND GETTING OFF OF THE DRUGS, SOME FORM OF RATIONAL DECISION MAKING MAY COME ABOUT, BUT SOMETIMES THAT TAKES YEARS, ESPECIALLY IF THE ADDICTION HAS GONE ON FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.

THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMS WILL HELP WITH THAT.

IT'S A SHAME THAT WE DON'T ALSO HAVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS THE TRUE NORTH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CAMPUS BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE ASSISTED WITH ALL THE MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, AND THIS DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THOSE.

BUT IT IS NEEDED.

I SUPPORTED 100%, AND I THINK THEY'RE TOTALLY ON THE RIGHT PATH ON HOW TO APPROACH IT. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT UP, LESLIE, FOLLOWED BY JENNY, THEN BENJAMIN NOANE.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT THIS HAVING PROVEN RESULTS SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

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THE FACT THAT OUR STAFF AND COUNTY DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE BACKING IT, UNLIKE OTHER PROJECTS, SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

THE FACT THAT IT IS, AND NOT TO DERANGE HALF THE CROWD HERE, BUT IT'S SHASTA COUNTY FIRST.

IS REFRESHING.

I KNOW HEAVEN FORBID WE PUT OURSELVES BEFORE WE PUT SERVICING OTHERS AS A THING, BUT I THINK THAT'S REALLY BENEFICIAL, AND I THINK THAT IS GREAT.

I LOVE THAT THEY ARE ALREADY WORKING ON, WHAT DID HE CALL IT, THE JOURNEY HOME PROGRAM. I LOVE THAT.

I LOVE THAT IT'S COMMUNITY BUSINESS OWNERS AND PARTNERSHIPS WHO KNOW OUR COMMUNITIES BETTER WHEN WE TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE AND NOT OTHER PEOPLE'S PEOPLE. THAT'S AMAZING.

MAYBE WHEN YOU GUYS COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION, WE WANT TO CLARIFY THAT NO BOARD MEMBER ACTUALLY RECEIVES A PAYCHECK FROM ANY OF THIS BECAUSE THEN MAYBE THAT'LL SET IT AT REST, ANYBODY ONLINE WHO STILL LISTENS TO DERANGED PEOPLE.

BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO CORRECT, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A HUGE FAN, OF SOME OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT THAT PERSON AND HIS WIFE, IF THEY ARE BOTH ON THE BOARD, SERVE IN A CHURCH THAT DOES A LOT OF GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY DO A LOT OF GOOD WORK.

HOW YOU CAN POOP ALL OVER SOMEBODY IN THEIR REPUTATION AND THEN CLAIM TO BE ABOUT GOD AND THEN POOP ALL OVER SOMEBODY ELSE AGAIN.

CONSIDER YOUR SOURCE WHEN YOU'RE LISTENING TO INFORMATION, EVERYBODY ONLINE, AND YOU GUYS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO A LOT OF GOOD FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE NOT BENEFITING FROM THIS, BUT THEY'RE PUTTING IN VOLUNTEER TIME.

SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO COME UP AND COMPLAIN AND THROW DAGGERS.

WE'RE ALL SUPPOSEDLY ON THE SAME PAGE, BUT THEY WANT TO POINT OUT EVERY FAILURE YOU'VE EVER MADE.

HOW IS THAT BENEFICIAL? I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ON ANY OF THESE NONPROFIT BOARDS DOING ANYTHING TO BETTER OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY JUST COME HERE.

YOU COULD GIVE AWAY FREE KITTENS, AND THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THE FLEA POPULATION AND HOW YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO IT.

IT'S TERRIBLE, IT'S RIDICULOUS, AND IT DIVIDES OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS BRINGS US TOGETHER. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT UP, JENNY, FOLLOWED BY BENJAMIN NEIN.

>> HEY. I JUST WANTED TO THANK Y'ALL FOR THIS ONE.

I'M ACTUALLY REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A MAJOR PROBLEM IN SHASTA COUNTY AND THE CITY OF READING, AND TO ACTUALLY SEE SOLUTIONS MAKES ME EXTRAORDINARILY HAPPY.

I'M JUST REALLY HAPPY TO SEE, AND BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ALL ON BOARD.

I'M ALMOST NERVOUS TO THANK YOU FOR THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE LIKE, WELL NOW I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS ONE, AND I'M SUPER EXCITED, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR FINDING SOLUTIONS AND WORKING WITH PEOPLE AND ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

>> NEXT UP, BENJAMIN NEIN AND THIS WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER.

>> THANK YOU. AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CHAIR CRYE, BUT I ACTUALLY DO.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU.

FIRST OFF, FOR LISTENING TO FORMER DISTRICT 3 SUPERVISOR MARY RICKERT AND FINALLY MOVING OPIOID SETTLEMENT DOLLARS TOWARD A PROJECT WHICH WILL HELP INDIVIDUALS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THOSE FUNDS ARE HERE IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THE WORK BY JIM ROSS AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, MARY RICKERT.

NOW, I APPRECIATE YOU FOLLOWING EXPERIENCED LEADERSHIP AND BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

THAT SAID, IT'S TAKEN MORE THAN A YEAR FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ANY OF THE FUNDS TO BE COMMITTED TO TREATMENT.

YOU INVITED MULTIPLE PROVIDERS TO PRESENT PLANS AND THEN TURNED AROUND AND SAID THEY WERE JUST HERE FOR THE MONEY, EVEN CALLING NONPROFIT LEADERS GROSSLY OVERPAID CEOS.

TODAY, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO TRUST A PROVIDER WITH A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR MATCH FROM A FINITE POT.

ON YOUR RADIO SHOW, THIS SUNDAY, YOU SAID YOU DID NOT WANT TO SPEND THE OPIOID FUNDS.

YOU WANTED TO INVEST THEM.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN ABOUT $2 MILLION, AND THE STATE BRINGS IN ROUGHLY 18 MILLION.

I AGREE. IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST, THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE RETURN.

YOU ALSO TOLD LISTENERS, THERE'S NO HOUR GLASS ON THIS MONEY.

BUT THE STATE RULES ARE CLEAR.

THAT PORTION COMES THROUGH THE CALIFORNIA ABATEMENT ACCOUNTS FUND THAT HAS A CLOCK ON IT.

FUNDS HAVE TO BE SPENT OR LEGALLY COMMITTED WITHIN A SET NUMBER OF YEARS THEY GO BACK TO THE STATE.

YES, THERE IS AN HOUR GLASS, EVEN IF IT RUNS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

THE CAMPUS IS A STATE BHCIP PROJECT THAT MUST

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I FOUND THAT NUMBER VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU TOLD LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS YOU WOULD NEVER SIGN A 30 YEAR COMMITMENT WITHOUT CLEAR TERMS. NOW, THIS ISN'T CRITICISM ABOUT THE PROJECT.

IT'S MORE OF AN OBSERVATION ABOUT UNEQUAL TREATMENT OF PROJECTS.

I JUST WANT TO BE HONEST ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

THIS IS POLITICS.

WE ARE NEARING AN ELECTION YEAR AND KNOW THAT A MOVE TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM IS BECAUSE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL NEEDS A WIN FOR POSITIVE PUBLIC PERCEPTION.

BUT SOMETIMES EVEN WHEN THE MOTIVES ARE MIXED, PEOPLE CAN STILL DO THE RIGHT THING.

I JUST DON'T WANT US TO FORGET HOW WE GOT HERE.

AGAIN, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.

NO MATTER HOW YOU ARRIVED HERE, THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. JOHN DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP? I THOUGHT I SAW YOU THROWING UP IN A BAG THERE FOR A SECOND.

LISTEN, MAN. I APPRECIATE YOU.

I CAN TELL BY THE LOOK ON YOUR FACE, ESPECIALLY IN THAT LAST SPEAKER.

JUST FOR THE RECORD, WASN'T JIM ROSS.

IT WAS MIKE SEKOZI.

MIKE SEKOZI LED THE OPIOID THING.

THERE'S NOT ANOTHER SUPERVISOR UP HERE THAT WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING I DID HAD THEY BEEN THE ONE YOU CALLED AND SAID, HEY, I'VE GOT AN ISSUE.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE SUPERVISOR LONG WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING.

SUPERVISOR HARMAN WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING.

SUPERVISOR KELSTROM WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING.

IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE I WAS THE ONE YOU CALLED ABOUT THE PROBLEM.

I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AND I TOLD YOU, YOU WATCH HOW PEOPLE WILL TURN THIS INTO POLITICAL THEATER.

BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, AND THIS IS WHY I'M MAKING IT SO PUBLIC IS YOU'RE DOING THE WORK.

YOU MAKE A FRACTION OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE MAKE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND IN THE REGION FOR THE ROLE YOU DO.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I RESPECT THE RESOLVE YOU HAVE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP WHEN FEW PEOPLE WANT TO HELP HIM.

AGAIN, I WAS A VERY INCARCERATE ALL PERSON WHEN I STARTED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS IN '21, EVEN HAVING THE SITUATION WITH MY BROTHER.

BUT WHAT I DO UNDERSTAND IS THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO HAND UP, MANY THAT WANT TO HAND OUT, MANY, BUT THERE ARE A LOT THAT WANT TO HAND UP, AND THE GOOD NEWS RESCUE PROVIDES THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE VOTE.

WE'LL START TO MY RIGHT WITH SUPERVISOR HARMAN.

>> JUST ONE MOMENT HERE.

OKAY. SUPERVISOR HARMAN?

>> YES.

>> SUPERVISOR CRYE?

>> ABSOLUTELY, YES.

>> SUPERVISOR KELSTROM?

>> YES.

>> SUPERVISOR LONG?

>> YES.

>> PASSES FOUR. CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD NEWS RESCUE MISSION.

>> YES. LET ME ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION.

I KNOW THE PEOPLE AREN'T IN CHAMBERS, CAUSE R6, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THE ONE ABOUT, NO, THAT'S THE SUPERVISOR. YES.

>> THE SUPERVISOR REPRESENTATION ITEM, AND I COULD GET THROUGH THAT QUICKLY IF YOU LIKE.

>> IF WE GET THROUGH THAT QUICKLY, LET'S TAKE THAT, AND THEN I KNOW WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION APPOINTMENT WITH AN ATTORNEY.

WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR CLOSED SESSION HERE IN A SEC, BUT LET'S DO OUR SIX REAL QUICK.

[R6 Select a Supervisor Representative from the County Medical Services Program (CMSP) Group 2 Counties ballot to serve on the CMSP Governing Board for the term January 1, 2026, to December 31, 2028: (1) Mike Ziegenmeyer, Sutter County; (2) Shiela Allen, Yolo County; or (3) a write-in candidate.]

>> SURE. WE RECEIVED THIS BALLOT IN THE MAIL FROM OUR LOBBYIST SYASL, ADDRESSED TO YOU AS CHAIR FOR ACTION.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU ARE UNABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON BEHALF OF THIS BOARD, I HAVE PLACED THIS ITEM ON THIS AGENDA.

IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GO INTO SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, I CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

>> I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CAST OUR VOTE FOR MIKE AT A SHASTA COUNTY.

BUT THAT'S UP TO [OVERLAPPING]

>> I'LL SECOND IT.

>> WE HAVE A SECOND BY SUPERVISOR PLUMMER.

IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTERS?

>> LET ME CHECK CHAIR. JUST ONE MOMENT.

>> THERE MIGHT BE ONE.

>> WE DO HAVE ONE, AND THAT'S DELORS LUCERO.

IN THAT CASE, CHAIR, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

I SEE NOBODY IN Q TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

AGAIN, THIS MOTION MYSELF, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR PLUMMER.

THIS IS JUST TO CAST OUR VOTE FOR THE GENTLEMAN OUT OF SHASTA COUNTY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> PASSES 5,0.

CAN WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR CLOSED SESSION.

[CLOSED SESSION ANNOUNCEMENT]

>> YES, CHAIR. JUST ONE MOMENT.

FOR R10, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUESTS TO SPEAK.

FOR R11, WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY REQUEST TO SPEAK AS WELL AS R12.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR ANY CLOSE SESSION ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.

>> WITH THAT, WE ESTIMATE THE TIME TO BE [OVERLAPPING].

>> IT IS 50 MINUTES.

>> IT SAYS 50 MINUTES, SO WE WILL NOT BE BACK BEFORE 12:30. WE ARE AT RECESS.

>> EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE JUST JUMPED.

[REPORT OF CLOSED SESSION ACTIONS]

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, R10 WAS HEARD IN CLOSED SESSION.

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>> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO R7.

[R7 As introduced on October 7, 2025, enact “An Ordinance of the Board of Supervisors of the County of Shasta Authorizing an Amendment to the Contract Between the Board of Supervisors of the County of Shasta and the Board of Administration California Public Employees Retirement System” (CalPERS).]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR CRIME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ABERTIN, DEPUTY COUNTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER.

THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO ENACT THE ORDINANCE INTRODUCED ON OCTOBER 7TH, 2025, WHICH WOULD AMEND THE COUNTY'S CONTRACT WITH CALPERS TO IMPLEMENT THE PROVISIONS OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 20516 THAT WOULD REQUIRE AFFECTED EMPLOYEES TO PAY 1% OF THE EMPLOYER'S SHARE OF THE CALPERS RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTION IN ADDITION TO THE FULL EMPLOYEE SHARE.

THE EMPLOYEES AFFECTED BY THIS AMENDMENT ARE ELECTED DEPARTMENT HEADS, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, PROFESSIONAL UNIT EMPLOYEES, DEPUTY CORNER INVESTIGATOR UNIT EMPLOYEES, AND PROFESSIONAL PEACE OFFICER ASSOCIATION UNIT EMPLOYEES.

AFTER THIS AMENDMENT IS EXECUTED AND THE CHANGES ARE IN EFFECT, ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES WILL BE PAYING 1% OF THE EMPLOYER'S SHARE OF THE CALPERS RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTIONS.

THE EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THE CHANGE TO BEGIN THESE GROUPS IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 28TH, 2025.

THE COUNTY HAS COMPLIED WITH THE REGULATORY AND PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS TO AMEND ITS CONTRACT WITH CALPERS, INCLUDING HOLDING SECRET BALLOT ELECTIONS FOR ALL AFFECTED UNITS AS REQUIRED BY GOVERNMENT CODE, RESULTING IN A MAJORITY OF VOTING MEMBERS HAVING VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGE.

IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NOW ENACT THIS ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT.

THE COST SHARING PROVISIONS WILL RESULT IN A SAVINGS TO THE COUNTY OF 1% OF TOTAL SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES IN THE AFFECTED GROUPS.

THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS, THE COUNTY HAS AGREED TO APPLY THESE SAVINGS TOWARDS REDUCING UNFUNDED LIABILITIES.

>> ANY BOARD DISCUSSION? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, MS. BLANKENSHIP?

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUEST TO SPEAK CHAIR.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> MOTION BY SUPERVISOR PLUMMER TO APPROVE, SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR KELSTROM.

ANY BOARD DISCUSSION.

SING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> [OVERLAPPING] BY VOTE. WELCOME, SIR.

[R8 Introduce and waive the reading of, “An Ordinance of the Board of Supervisors of the County of Shasta Adding Chapter 5.13 - Automated Point-of-Sale Systems to the Shasta County Code Concerning the Registration and Inspection of Point-of-Sale Systems Used in Retail Establishments” (“Ordinance”) and direct staff to establish rates on the County’s Master Fee Schedule for full cost recovery of the activities in the program established in the Ordinance or provide other direction to staff.]

>> YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR CRYE, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

I WAS EXPECTING A LITTLE MORE OF A TURNOUT FOR MY THING, BUT EVIDENTLY I WAS [OVERLAPPING] I SHOWED YOU WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS OF THIS GUY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO JUST KEEP ON ROLLING TODAY.

ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN, BEFORE YOU, OUR DEPARTMENT, THE WEIGHTS AND MEASURES DEPARTMENT HAS PROPOSED A SCANNER ORDINANCE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, AND I'M ABOUT READY TO DIVE INTO THAT.

SOMETHING MY PREDECESSORS HAVE WORKED ON FOR MANY YEARS LEADING UP TO ME AND SOMETHING THAT I THINK THEY WOULD DEFINITELY BE ALL IN FAVOR OF AND A TOPIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TODAY.

PROCEED. MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

WHAT IS A SCANNER ORDINANCE? THE SCANNER ORDINANCE IS A METHOD USED BY SEALER OF WEIGHTS AND MEASURES TO RECOVER COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PERFORMING INSPECTIONS AT RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT USE AUTOMATED POINT OF SALES SYSTEMS, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS PRICE SCANNERS.

YOU'LL NOTICE DOWN THE LOWER LEFT, CALIFORNIA BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS CODE AUTHORIZES THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ENACT SUCH ORDINANCES.

DIVISION 5 CHAPTER 13, ARTICLE 2, SECTION 13,350, SECTION D AND E GIVES US JUST THAT AUTHORITY TO ENACT SUCH AN ORDINANCE.

SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE BY 21 OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

THAT NUMBER IS GROWING.

I HAPPEN TO KNOW SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY IS LOOKING AT ACTING ONE OF THEIRS THIS MONTH, AND ELDORADO COUNTY JUST TOOK IT TO THEIR BOARD LAST MONTH.

WHY SCANNER ORDINANCE IN SHASTA COUNTY.

YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, CONSUMER PROTECTION.

OUR INSPECTIONS ARE PROVING THAT OVERCHARGES ARE OUT THERE.

THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY RAMPANT, BUT THEY ARE PREVALENT.

I THINK CONSUMER PROTECTION IS KEY.

YOU, ME, EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM, EVEN THE EMPTY SEATS ARE ALL CONSUMERS IN THIS WORLD, AND NOBODY WANTS TO GET OVERCHARGE.

I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY SAY, LIKE A FAIR AND SHOW RAISE THE HANDS, WHO LIKES TO GET OVERCHARGED, BUT THERE'S NO ONE HERE.

SECOND ITEM, PROMOTE FAIRNESS AND EQUITY IN THE MARKETPLACE.

I THINK THAT'S KEY. PROGRAM COST RECOVERY.

I KNOW AT OUR ORMS, OPERATIONAL REVIEW MEETINGS, WE'RE ALWAYS BEING TOLD, LOOK FOR GENERAL FUND SAVINGS.

AS GENERAL FUND, I'M A GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT, WHERE CAN WE SAVE? I THINK THIS IS A PRIMARY EXAMPLE IN 2021 THROUGH 2025, THE DEPARTMENT OF WASTE MEASURES SPENT ROUGHLY $57,000 WORTH OF GENERAL FUND DOLLARS, WE'RE SPENT DOING THESE 165 INSPECTIONS TO GET INFORMATION AND DATA TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY.

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WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THESE INSPECTIONS.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THEM ON A COMPLAINT STYLE BASIS AND OR AT A REQUEST OF THE BUSINESS OWNER, BUT IT IS PRIMARILY COMPLAINT DRIVEN WITH SOME ROUTINE INSPECTIONS.

A LOT OF OUR COMPLAINT INSPECTIONS DRIVE MORE INSPECTIONS, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.

THAT'S THE PRIMARY INSPECTION BASE THAT WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY TODAY THAT'S GOT US TO THAT $57,000.

CONSUMER PROTECTION.

THE CALIFORNIA LAW BUSINESS PROFESSION CODE DIVISION 5 CHAPTER 1, SECTION 12024.2(A), IT'S VERY CLEAR.

IT IS UNLAWFUL TO CHARGE A PRICE GREATER THAN THE LOWEST POSTED OR ADVERTISED PRICE.

THAT'S SOMETHING A LOT OF CONSUMERS OUT THERE KNOW THAT.

THEY CALL OUR DEPARTMENT, AND WHEN THEY GET OVERCHARGED, WE HEAR ABOUT IT, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO AND REQUIRED TO FOLLOW UP ON ALL COMPLAINTS AS WE DO.

FOR SOME GOOD NIGHTLY READING TO PUT YOU RIGHT TO SLEEP, DIVISION 5, CHAPTER 13, ARTICLE 2, POINT OF SALE SYSTEM ACCURACY VERIFICATION DETAILS THE PROCEDURES DOCUMENTED FOR INSPECTING AND TESTING AUTOMATED POINT OF SALE SYSTEMS. THAT'S THE PROCESS AT WHICH WE GO INTO STORES AND ACTUALLY COMPLETE THESE INSPECTIONS.

>> THIS IS A FUN INFO GRAPH, PRICE VERIFICATION INSPECTIONS AND OVERCHARGES BASED ON SUPERVISOR DISTRICT DATAS FROM 2021 THROUGH 2025.

YOU CAN SEE STAFF WORKS REALLY HARD TO DO INSPECTIONS THROUGHOUT ALL SUPERVISOR DISTRICTS, AND YOU CAN NOTICE AND SEE OVERCHARGES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH DISTRICT, AD IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT 17% OF THOSE INSPECTIONS COMPLETED, SO 17% OF THE 165 INSPECTIONS, ROUGHLY 30 OF THOSE INSPECTIONS WERE BASED OFF OF A COMPLAINT OF AN OVERCHARGE, SO WE FOLLOWED UP WITH THOSE.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> I WASN'T GOING TO BRING THAT UP, BUT BEINGS THAT YOU DID, I HAVE NO IDEA.

NO, IT'S A WARRANTED QUESTION.

IT DOES MAKE YOU WONDER WHY.

I ASKED STAFF THAT QUESTION AS WELL, AND THE COMPLAINTS.

WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.

THE DIFFERENT RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS, MAYBE IN THAT JURISDICTION, MIGHT WARRANT SUCH THINGS, SMALLER STORES.

EVERYONE, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE SMALLER STORES WOULD HAVE BETTER SUITED WITH THE PRICE, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE BECAUSE THEY HAVE LESS EMPLOYEES, LESS STAFF MEMBERS, AND LESS TIME TO GO AROUND AND MAKE SURE THOSE SHELF PRICES ARE ACCURATE, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SEEING.

>> SOME OF THEM ARE GENERAL STORES.

THEY'RE NOT ACTUAL SUPERMARKETS.

>> YOU SAY LIKE IT'S A BAD THING. [LAUGHTER].

>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> OVERCHARGES. CALIFORNIA BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS CODE 12024.2(D) STATES THAT AN OVERCHARGE MEANS THE AMOUNT BY WHICH THE CHARGE FOR A COMMODITY EXCEEDS A PRICE THAT IS ADVERTISED, POSTED, MARKED, DISPLAYED, OR QUOTED TO THAT CONSUMER FOR THE COMMODITY AT THE TIME OF SALE.

ESSENTIALLY, OF THOSE 165 INSPECTIONS THAT WE COMPLETED, WE PURCHASED 3,647 ITEMS THROUGH TEST PURCHASES 2021-2025.

TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX OF THOSE ITEMS WERE OVERCHARGED, LEADING TO, 7.29% OF THE ITEMS BEING OVERCHARGED.

THEN ULTIMATELY IT AVERAGES OUT TO $1.85 OVERCHARGE VALUE PER OVERCHARGE.

SOMEWHAT NOT SIGNIFICANT, BUT STILL IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THAT IS AN AMOUNT GETTING OVERCHARGED TO SOMEBODY EXPECTED NOT TO SPEND THAT DAY AND THAT THEY DID.

ULTIMATELY LEADS TO THAT RED NUMBER THERE.

1.5% OVERCHARGE VALUE OF TOTAL CORRECT PRICES.

WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE, WE TAKE IT TO THIS SCREEN HERE.

SHASTA COUNTY RETAIL SALES, ACCORDING TO THE 2022 US CENSUS, THEY'RE ESTIMATING THAT SHASTA COUNTY HAS A $3.762 BILLION WORTH OF RETAIL SALES.

IF WE EXTRAPOLATE THIS DATA ACROSS THAT 1.5% OVERCHARGE RELATED TO TOTAL RETAIL SALES, THAT IS A POTENTIAL FOR $56,431,000 WORTH OF POSSIBLE CONSUMER OVERCHARGES.

WITH THAT, I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT WE ALSO DID COME ACROSS A 1.59% UNDERCHARGE.

RELATED TO TOTAL RETAIL SALES, THAT'S POSSIBLE UPWARDS TO 59,817,000 WORTH OF LOST SALES TO BUSINESSES.

IT'S ANOTHER GLARING ISSUE.

CONSUMERS IN THE PUBLIC AREN'T CRYING TO THAT, BUT AS A BUSINESS OWNER, YOU PROBABLY WOULD.

ULTIMATELY, YOU LOOK AT THAT AND IT'S WORTH NOTING.

INDIVIDUAL CONSUMERS BEING OVERCHARGED AREN'T NECESSARILY THE SAME CONSUMERS THAT ARE BEING UNDERCHARGED.

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THEN ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, INDIVIDUAL CONSUMERS ARE BEING HARMED BY OVERCHARGES.

THERE'S NO DOUBT IN THAT.

REGARDLESS OF THE POTENTIAL VALUE OF THE UNDERCHARGE, IT'S STILL A VIOLATION OF THE CALIFORNIA LAW TO OVERCHARGE.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE OUT THERE, WE'RE TASKED WITH, WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT, AND IT'S ALSO WORTH MENTIONING.

IT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO UNDERCHARGE.

TO ZOOM OUT EVEN FURTHER, THE CALIFORNIA RETAIL ECONOMY, THEY ESTIMATE THAT THERE'S 514,000 STORES THAT PRODUCE SALES OVER 929.6 BILLION EVERY YEAR.

THAT NUMBER IS HARD FOR ME TO EVEN WRAP MY HEAD AROUND AS FAR AS RETAIL SALES.

IF YOU START UTILIZING THAT 1.5% OVERCHARGE RATE AGAINST NUMBERS LIKE THAT, THE NUMBERS GET STAGGERING.

I HAPPEN TO KNOW IN THE 21 OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZING A SCANNER REGISTRATION, THEIR NUMBERS GREATLY FLUCTUATE FROM THE 1.5.

ORANGE COUNTY HAS OVERCHARGE RATE OF LIKE 3.5, AND YOU MULTIPLY ACROSS THEIR CONSUMER RETAIL AMOUNTS, AND THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT POTENTIALLY THEIR CONSUMERS ARE GETTING OVERCHARGE.

IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THERE'S CURRENTLY NEARLY 40,000 REGISTERED LOCATIONS.

MANY OF THE LARGER RETAILERS ARE ALREADY PAYING THIS REGISTRATION FEE IN THE OTHER COUNTIES.

WE'VE ACTUALLY, WHEN WE SEND OUT OUR DEVICE REGISTRATION FOR GROCERY STORE SCALES, RETAIL MOTOR FUELS, THOSE PLACES ACTUALLY HAVE CONTACTED US AND ASKED US WHERE THE POINT OF SALE SYSTEM CHARGES FOR THEIR ANNUAL REGISTRATION.

I TOLD THEM, WE HAVE TO TELL THEM WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN OUR COUNTY AND WE AREN'T CHARGING FOR THAT CURRENTLY.

ALL THAT TO SAY, WHAT WOULD A SHASTA COUNTY ORDINANCE LOOK LIKE? IT IS THE BEST ESTIMATION TO US AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS APPROXIMATELY 400 LOCATIONS WE'LL NEED TO REGISTER ANNUALLY.

OUR INITIAL GOAL IS TO GO WITH 50% INSPECTION RATE, WHICH EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY 240 HOURS OF INSPECTION, WHICH ISN'T A LOT.

I KNOW THESE NUMBERS ARE SOMEWHAT SMALL, AGAIN, SMALLER COUNTY.

THOSE NUMBERS MAY INCREASE WHEN WE REALLY DIVE IN TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW MANY LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE AFTER.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE MENTION THE COUNTY AGRICULTURE COMMISSIONER AND SEALERS ASSOCIATION, CACASA, IS CURRENTLY EXPLORING A SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN UTILIZE AN IPAD OR A MOBILE DEVICE THAT WILL GREATLY ENHANCE THE SPEED AT WHICH WE CAN PERFORM THESE PRICE VERIFICATION INSPECTIONS IN THE STORE AND IN THE FIELD, WHICH WILL BENEFIT US GREATLY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS HOUR.

WE MIGHT EITHER BE ABLE TO DO MORE INSPECTIONS PER YEAR OR THAT NUMBER WILL COME DOWN, AND WE CAN ADJUST THE ANNUAL RATE AT WHICH WE WANT TO CHARGE THE BUSINESSES.

BUT THIS IS CURRENT NUMBERS BASED OFF OF OUR FIVE YEARS IN INSPECTION.

[NOISE] THAT IS IN WORKS IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY.

WAS THAT BUZZER TO TELL ME TO HURRY UP AND GET GOING? WHAT WOULD THE PROGRAM COST? APPROXIMATE COST 240 INSPECTION HOURS GIVES US A $25,000.

WE EXTRAPOLATED THAT ACROSS THOSE 400 LOCATIONS, BREAKING IT OUT FROM THE POINT OF SALE STATIONS.

ESSENTIALLY 1-3, 4-9, 10+, I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT IS THE RATE AT WHICH WE LOOK TO CHARGE THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOCATIONS.

[NOISE] WITH THAT, IT'S COMPARING ESSENTIALLY OUR PROPOSED SHASTA COUNTY REGISTRATION FEES TO OTHER NORTH STATE COUNTIES, BUTTE COUNTY, BEING ONE OF THE CLOSEST AND NEARREST TO US, SIMILAR POPULATION, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THEIR FEES THAT THEY'VE BEEN CHARGING FOR THE LAST DECADE PLUS FOR THEIR SCANNER ORDINANCE ARE VERY COMPARABLE TO OURS AND OUR PROPOSED FEES, AND I THINK WOULD BE QUITE SUITABLE GIVEN THEIR RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS.

SO IN CONCLUSION, AN ADOPTION OF A PRICE VERIFICATION SCANNER ORDINANCE, IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE CONSUMERS.

WE ALL KNOW THAT, HOLDING THESE BUSINESSES ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR POSTED ADVERTISED PRICING.

POTENTIAL DECREASE IN OVERCHARGES.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S GOING TO DECREASE ALL OVERCHARGES, THAT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE, BUT AT LEAST WE'LL BE OUT THERE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO UP OUR INSPECTION INTERVALS TO GET OUT THERE AND PREVENT OVERCHARGES AND MISLEADING ADVERTISING.

BENEFITS TO BUSINESS, EVEN THOUGH THEY WILL BE FOOTING THE BILL FOR THIS, INCREASED CONSUMER CONFIDENCE IN THEIR PRICE ACCURACY, POTENTIAL DECREASE IN UNDER CHARGES BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING UNDER CHARGES, SO WE CAN GET THEM ON BOARD AND CORRECT THOSE UNDER CHARGES.

EQUITY ACROSS THE MARKETPLACE.

EVERY REGISTERED LOCATION WILL BE INSPECTED ROUTINELY AND FAIR COMPETITION.

BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY, FULL COST RECOVERY TO PERFORM THE LEGALLY OBLIGATED PRICE VERIFICATION INSPECTIONS, SAVING CURRENT RATE OF INSPECTIONS ROUGHLY 10,000 PER YEAR.

IF WE ARE ABLE TO UP THOSE INSPECTIONS TO AN ADEQUATE LEVEL AT WHICH OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING WITH THEIR ORDINANCE, IT'LL SAVE UPWARDS TO 25,000 AND MORE AND GROWING DOLLAR PER YEAR OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDES FORM.

>> I JUST TURN IT OFF. ONE SECOND.

[NOISE].

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> I JUST GRABBED THOSE. OBVIOUSLY,

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>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> SORRY, AGAIN, JOHN, I MISS IT ON FRIDAY.

>> I GET IT, NO.

>> PERSONALLY, I'M GLAD THERE IS NOBODY IN THE CROWD BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE A TOTAL NERD HERE, BUT I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT MEETING.

>> BRING IT ON. [LAUGHTER]

>> BECAUSE I WAS A SCAN COORDINATOR FOR A GROCERY STORE CHAIN.

>> I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE INSIGHT TO THE PROCESS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. MATTER OF FACT, YOU MENTIONED SAN JOAQUIN AND ELDORADO COUNTY, WE HAD STORES IN BOTH THOSE COUNTIES. I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

I SOMETIMES WORRY ABOUT THERE'S SO MANY FEES.

THE LAST STORE I MANAGED WAS 20 PLUS YEARS AGO, BUT THE AMOUNT OF FEES INVOLVED, LICENSE AND PERMITS, IT JUST NEVER ENDS.

THIS IS LIKE ONE MORE.

[OVERLAPPING] BUT I'M NOT A STORE MANAGER ANYMORE.

I'M A COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND SINCE YOUR PROJECT HITS OUR GENERAL FUND, THAT'S WHERE WHAT?

>> I'M TRYING TO QUIRK YOU.

>> YOU'RE TALKING TO ME?

>> NO, I'M SORRY. [LAUGHTER]

>> PAY ATTENTION. [LAUGHTER] ANYWAYS, THE FACT THAT, IT COMES OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND, AS MUCH AS I HATE TO ADD ANOTHER REGULATION, I WILL BE FOR THIS.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. KELSTROM, I AGREE, I TOO, DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY OUT OF BUSINESS.

I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANOTHER FEE, AND IF IT WASN'T SOMEWHAT BENEFICIAL TO THE BUSINESS AS A WHOLE, I WOULD BE ARGUING IN THAT MORE SO IN THAT SIDE, ONE MORE FEE, BUT IT REALLY DOES, WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT AND LOOK AT IT, IT DOES BENEFIT THE BUSINESSES TO HAVE US COME OUT THERE.

THERE'S BEEN STORES THAT WE PROBABLY NEVER BEEN INTO BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE COMPLAINTS, BUT THEY COULD BE UNDER CHARGING ALL THIS TIME FOR ALL THEY KNOW.

THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS IN THESE STORES, I THINK IT WOULD.

IT'S CAPITALISM, AND THEY SHOULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR NUMBER, SORRY.

I'LL WAIT MY TURN. SORRY.

>> AS A SCAN COORDINATOR, IT WAS LIKE IF YOU DO A GOOD JOB, YOU DON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS. I HAD A DATABASE WHERE I COMPILED ALL THE PRICING AND THE SALE ADS AND EVERYTHING, SENT IT DOWN TO THE STORE, BATCHED IT UP, SENT IT TO THE REGISTER.

THEN I HAD SOMEBODY HANGING TAGS AND HANGING SIGNS, AND THEN THEY VERIFIED EVERY SINGLE PRICES.

THEY DID, SO WE NEVER REALLY HAD THOSE PROBLEMS, BUT THEN AGAIN, WE DID A GOOD JOB.

I'VE ALSO BEEN I WAS JUST IN THE HOLIDAY OTHER DAY.

MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF THOSE, BUT AND THEY HAD HAD A CERTAIN ITEM THAT I WAS BUYING THAT HAD BEEN A COUPLE OF DOLLAR LESS, AND WHEN I NOTICED IT HAD GONE UP WHEN I WENT BACK IN THERE, WELL, THEY BROUGHT OUT A DISPLAY, AND THEY HAD THE OLD SIGN ON THERE.

I WENT UP THERE AND I PAID THE HIGHER PRICE, BUT I LET THE CHECKER KNOW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO PULL THAT SIGN BECAUSE PRICES CHANGE AS LESS IT OUT HERE, SO THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.

>> IT'S WORTH NOTING AND EXACTLY TO THAT POINT.

A LOT OF THEY'RE COMING OUT WITH DIGITAL PRICE SIGNS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THOSE IN SOME OF THE ESTABLISHMENTS.

THE STORE CAN ESSENTIALLY CHANGE THOSE DIGITAL.

WHEN YOU BOUGHT, SAY, THE PAIR OF TENNIS SHOES FOR 55 BUCKS, BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE REGISTER, IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WITH STATE LEGISLATOR AND ALL THAT.

BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, WHO'S RIGHT? YOU SAW IT FOR 55 AND YOU GET TO THE REGISTER AT 60, YOU GO BACK TO WHERE THOSE SHOES WERE, AND IT NOW SAYS 60.

THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT THE STEALERS WEIGHTS MEASURES ARE STARTING TO ADDRESS.

THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN COMPLAINTS IN SOME IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA COUNTY, SO THERE'S MORE TO COME ON THAT.

>> YOU'LL LIKE THIS, KEVIN. I USED TO BE GREAT FUN AT PARTIES BECAUSE I COULD LOOK AT A 12 PACK OF QUARTERS LIGHT AND GIVE THEM THE UPC ON THE BOTTOM OF IT.

[LAUGHTER]

>> TELL YOU WHAT? WE JUST HARDENED ALL THE SHORT.

ANYWAY, I'M SORRY. SUPERVISOR LONG.

THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR KELSTROM.

>> GET THEM ALL MEMORIZED?

>> SOME OF THEM. [LAUGHTER].

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY THIS DOESN'T AFFECT GAS SALES AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT?

>> IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GAS SALES.

WE'RE GOING INTO EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE THOSE SCANNER DEVICES THAT ARE SCANNING THOSE UPC BARCODES AND CHECKING THAT, SO LIKE A GAS STATION, FOR INSTANCE.

THEY MAY HAVE ONE OR TWO STATIONS, SO THEY'RE PAYING ONE OR TWO, CHECKOUT STATIONS.

THEY WOULD BE PAYING THAT $53 AN ANNUAL FEE FOR ME TO COME IN THERE AND NO OFFENSE TO GAS STATIONS, BUT THEY'RE SOME OF THE BIGGEST OFFENDERS TO OVERCHARGES.

THEY HAVE VERY LIMITED MARKING OF PRICES ON THEIR STUFF AS YOU PROBABLY SEE WHEN YOU GO IN THERE.

PEOPLE GRAB THAT, AND THEN THEY'RE GETTING OVERCHARGED EVEN WITH BASED OFF OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED.

WE'LL BE GOING INTO THOSE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS.

>> THEN THE GAS, YOU'RE DOING THAT INDEPENDENTLY SEPARATELY ALREADY/

>> YEAH. THAT'S CONSIDERED A DEVICE REGISTRATION.

>> WE TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.

BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE'VE PULLED THE BUSINESS COMMUNITIES TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE NEW FEE FOR THE ORDINANCE OR WHETHER THEY VALUE THE SERVICE THAT WOULD IDENTIFY UNDERCHARGING ON THEIR BEHALF.

>> I HAVE NOT PULLED THE COMMUNITY TO FIGURE OUT IF THOSE BUSINESSES.

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I WOULD IMAGINE AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY QUESTIONED WHY WE WERE.

>> LET ME SPEAK FOR THEM, THEY SAY IT'S TERRIBLE.

>> BECAUSE YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND THEY'RE USED TO PAYING THE FEES IN OTHER PLACES, AND IT'S JUST COST OF DOING BUSINESS IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.

THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DISCOVER OVERCHARGING TO A BUSINESS? I DON'T THINK I ASKED YOU THAT.

>> WE GO AROUND WITH THE STORE MANAGER AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE CORRECTING THAT.

THE ISSUES THAT WE FOUND WHILE WE WERE THERE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF SEVERITY OF OVERCHARGE, IT EITHER WOULD EQUATE TO A NOTICE OF VIOLATION.

POSSIBLY, IF IT'S A REPEAT OFFENDER, A NOTICE OF PROPOSED ACTION, SO WE DO HAVE SOME ABILITIES TO LEVEL A CIVIL PENALTY, AND DEPENDING ON THE EXTREME LEVEL, WE CAN SUBMIT THIS TO THE DA FOR PROSECUTION ESSENTIALLY ACROSS COUNTY LINES.

YOU'LL SEE THAT LARGER STORES THAT CROSS COUNTY LINES, THERE WOULD BE LIKE A BLAST BY THE DAS TO GO OUT AND DO INSPECTIONS, HAVE WEIGHTS AND MEASURES DEPARTMENTS GO DO NUMEROUS INSPECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND LO AND BEHOLD, A LOT OF THE TIMES, ALL THOSE STORES ARE CHARGING THE SAME PRICE AND THEY'RE OVERCHARGING UP AND DOWN THE STATE, SO ULTIMATELY, THE DAS TAKE THE CASE, AND IT COULD BE MILLIONS OF-

>> MULTI JURISDICTIONAL MILLIONS.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A PROGRESSIVE, NOT GOT YOU. IT'S MORE OF-

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT. THERE'S AN EDUCATION.

A LOT OF STORES THAT WE GO OUT TO, AND WE DO THESE INSPECTIONS.

IT'S LIKE, MAN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES GOING ON HERE.

WE CAN DO A FOLLOW UP INSPECTION.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SMACK YOU WITH A BIG HAMMER THE FIRST TIME.

BUT IT'S THOSE REPEAT OFFENDERS GO OUT THERE AND IT CONTINUES LIKE OVERCHARGE.

SOME OF THESE INSPECTIONS ARE HORRIBLE.

EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT THERE, IT'S LIKE, HOW CAN IT BE THAT BAD EVERY TIME WHEN THEY GO THERE? THAT'S A PROBLEM, IN MY OPINION.

THESE PEOPLE, THE MOMS AND DADS, KIDS' CARDS, YOU'RE LOADED WITH GROCERIES, THEY'RE GETTING OVERCHARGED, UNLESS THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO THOSE 50 ITEMS, AND NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE SHELF TAGS AND KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING CHARGED WHEN IT RINGS ACROSS THE SCANNER.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THEY DON'T HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO ADD?

>> UNLESS YOU TAKE ACTUAL NOTEPAD, AND YOU WRITE DOWN YOUR CEREAL WAS 350.

YOUR MACARONI AND CHEESE WAS 250, AND THEN YOU WATCH THEM AS THEY SCAN ACROSS BARCODE.

>> MY MOM DID THAT AS A SINGLE PARENT.

>> IF HER RECEIPT WAS $0.03 OFF, MY MOM KNEW IT. ANYWAY, I'M SORRY.

>> THERE'S VERY FEW PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE DOING THAT, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE AWARE THAT THEY'RE BEING OVERCHARGED. THAT'S THE SAD PART.

>> THAT'S WHY OUR SOCIETIES IN THE STATES AND NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

SUPERVISOR PLUMMER, I'M COMING OUT OF MY SEAT ON THIS ONE. GO AHEAD.

>> THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE WORK THAT WENT INTO.

DO RETAILERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOME SELF AUDIT OR TO UNDERSTAND IF THEY ARE OVERCHARGING OR UNDERCHARGING? CAN THEY FIGURE THAT OUT?

>> MR. KELSTROM PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF STORES DO INSIDE AUDITS OF THEIR INSPECTIONS OR THEIR PRICE VERIFICATION.

YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE GOING AROUND WITH SCAN GUNS, I WOULD ASSUME, TALKING WITH THE MANAGERS, THEY HAVE GONE IN AND THEY DO THEIR OWN AUDITS AND THEIR OWN INSPECTIONS.

TO ME, THAT IS GREAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT THAT ALSO I WOULD THINK WITH THAT, WE WOULD BE SEEING FAR LESS RATES OF OVERCHARGES, IF THAT WERE THE CASE.

IF THOSE AUDITS WERE SUFFICIENT OR IF ALL STORES WERE DOING THOSE AUDITS.

>> GOT IT. THEN, YOU MENTIONED IN THE CASES WHERE THERE ARE REPEATED OVERCHARGES, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMPOSE CIVIL PENALTIES.

HAVE WE DONE THAT RECENTLY? OR ARE WE DOING THAT?

>> YES.

>> DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THE REVENUE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS?

>> IT'S SOMEWHAT MINIMAL.

THE FINES THAT WE'RE IMPOSING, WE'RE TALKING LIKE $100 FINE TO A STORE.

AGAIN, IT'S THE PRICE OF DOING BUSINESS.

>> DOES THAT AFFECT THE BUSINESS? YEAH, I MEAN, $1,000 FINE IS A LEGIT FINE.

BUT HOW MANY ITEMS DID THEY OVERCHARGE FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS? THEY PROBABLY PAID FOR THAT $1,000 FINE AND THEN SOME.

THERE IS CIVIL PENALTY MATRIX AND IT'S IN THE BUSINESS PROFESSION CODE THAT WE GET TO ASSIGN AS SEALERS TO INSTANCES AND AGAIN, IT WILL RATCHET UP WITH THE SEVERITY OF THE VIOLATION.

>> I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT MORE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF COST RECOVERY FOR THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE SPENT, IS IT 57,000 OVER FOUR YEARS OR SO.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 12, 13,000 A YEAR.

SO IF WE'RE IMPOSING FINES OF $1,000, $2,000 A FEW TIMES A YEAR, THEN WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO COVERING.

I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO COVERING THAT CURRENTLY?

>> I WOULDN'T BANK ON THE FINES OFFSETTING OUR EXPENSES.

THAT'S NOT THE INTENT AND I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE WITH THAT MINDSET LIKE I NEED MORE FINES TO PAY FOR THE PROGRAM.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS ORDINANCE AND I'D LOVE FOR THE BUSINESSES TO PAY FOR THIS.

ULTIMATELY, WITH THAT, IT ENHANCED OUR INSPECTION INTERVAL, AND THEN THE REINSPECTIONS, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE GO OUT THERE AND THERE'S ISSUES,

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I MEAN, IT WAS A COMPLAINT INSPECTION, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND FOLLOW UP.

THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS TIMES WE GO THREE, FOUR TIMES BACK TO THE SAME ESTABLISHMENT OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, AND THERE'S BAD INSPECTION AFTER BAD INSPECTION.

WELL, WE'RE NOT GETTING PAID FOR THAT.

THAT'S GENERAL FUND DOLLARS FOR US TO GO OUT AND DO THAT BUT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT.

>> WELL, I APPRECIATE THE INTEREST IN TRYING TO FUND WHAT IS A GENERAL FUND COST.

I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AND THAT'S BECAUSE FOR ME, I THINK THERE'S WHEN WE LOOK AT SOLVING A PROBLEM, RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU'RE SHOWING ME THAT THERE'S UNDERCHARGES AND I REALIZE IT'S NOT THE SAME PERSON THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THE OVERCHARGE, I THINK WE CAN ALWAYS TRY TO GET TO PERFECTION BUT THE COST OF THAT, THE FRICTION IN THE SYSTEM AND THE ADDED EFFORT FOR THE GOVERNMENT.

I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IN CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHERE WE'VE GONE TO COMPLAINT DRIVEN FROM BEING MORE PROACTIVE ACTUALLY REFLECTS IN MY SENSE, THE DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY TO NOT BE OVERBEARING, BUT TO ALLOW US AS A COMMUNITY TO SELF-CHECK AND SELF-GOVERN IN THE SENSE OF, IF PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT THEN WE SHOULD ACT ON IT, BUT IF NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO FIX A PROBLEM THAT I DON'T.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOMEONE BEING OVERCHARGED INDIVIDUALLY ISN'T A PROBLEM BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS A COMMUNITY AS BEING OF THE MAGNITUDE WORTH INSTITUTING MORE GOVERNMENT EFFORT AND STAFF TIME FOR.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE WATCHERS AT HOME DON'T THINK THAT I BULLIED SUPERVISOR PLUMMER INTO GOING THAT DIRECTION BUT I HAVE A LOT OF STUFF.

I MEAN, THE OTHER COUNTIES LIKE SONOMA, THEIR TAX RATE IS 9.25 TO 10.5, BUTTE IS 8.25 SACRAMENTO IS 8.75, NAPA IS 7.75, AND OURS IS LOW.

I MEAN, THIS I THINK, AND AGAIN, JOHN IS A GREAT PRESENTATION, GREAT COLOR SUIT.

I ALMOST WENT WITH A LIGHTER ONE BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE ALL BEEN MATCHING.

BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU, LIKE THIS IS THE ISSUE WITH GOVERNMENT.

I MEAN, WE JUST HAD NOLDE SHORT COME IN AND TALK ABOUT 500 SOME OR MORE FEES, AND WE WANT TO TACK THIS ONE ON.

I AM SO AGAINST THIS.

REALISTICALLY, IT'S THE CONSUMERS THING.

IF A CONSUMER CAN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ADDING UP AND YOU SAID, WHO HAS TIME? WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THE SITUATION AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO BAIL GOVERNMENT OUT WITH TAXES, IS BECAUSE WE JUST KEEP CRUSHING THE BUSINESS, AND WHAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF AND I'LL PUT A LITTLE COFFEE CAN OUT AND RAISE MONEY FOR YOU THAT WHEN YOU FIND SOMEBODY WHO'S DONE SOMETHING EGREGIOUSLY WRONG MULTIPLE TIMES, LET'S GET A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT GOING, AND LET'S MAKE SURE EVERY CONSUMER IN THAT AREA THAT VISITS THAT STORE KNOWS IT.

BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE I 01,000 PERCENT BELIEVE THEY KNOW THEIR SALES ARE OFF. WHAT'S THAT?

>> THERE'D BE A LOT OF THOSE.

>> WELL, THEN LET'S DO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR, I KNOW YOU'RE AN APPOINTED OFFICIAL OR DEPARTMENT HEAD.

YOU'RE NOT ELECTED, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT YOU GOT TO RING THAT BELL.

YOU'RE A PUBLIC SERVANT AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT YOUR ROLE, AND I WOULD ASK COUNTY COUNCIL AND ACTUALLY CEO RICKERT TO LET US KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT HIM, THAT IF HE FINDS ORGANIZATIONS OR ENTITIES THAT EXEMPLIFY BAD BEHAVIOR, YOU ALMOST THINK THEY'RE MALICIOUSLY HAVING THEIR SCALES WEIGHTED DIFFERENTLY OR THEIR GUNS ARE OVERCHARGING, LET'S LET PEOPLE KNOW.

BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

IF SOMEBODY'S BEING OVERCHARGED FOR A CARTON OF MILK OR A POUND OF STRAWBERRIES LIKE, WELL, THAT'S THEIR OWN FAULT IF THEY'RE NOT PAYING CLOSE ENOUGH ATTENTION TO THAT STUFF AT SOME POINT.

I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.

HOW ABOUT THAT? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

THERE'S A LOT MORE I WANT TO SAY, BUT I'M SO CONCERNED THAT I MEAN, HOW MUCH TIME DID IT TAKE YOU TO PUT THIS TOGETHER?

>> WELL, WE'VE JUST BEEN DOING THESE INSPECTIONS OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS.

IT'S NOT A TON OF TIME WENT IN TO, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THIS DATA ACCESSIBLE TO US.

IT'S THOSE INSPECTIONS THAT WE'RE DOING ALREADY ON A COMPLAINT STYLE BASIS WITH SOME ROUTINE INSPECTIONS.

I MEAN, YOU SAW IT'S $57,000 OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS.

>> I MEAN, WHAT SUPERVISOR PLUMMER ALLUDED TO IN TERMS OF HAVING SOME TYPE OF, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK SOMEONE DOES IT ONCE OR EVEN MAYBE A SECOND TIME, BUT I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE SOME METRIC WHERE YOU CAN SAY, LOOK, THIS IS GROSSLY NEGLIGENT IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

FIRST TIME IS A WARNING, SECOND TIME IS 50 BUCKS, THIRD TIME IS $2,500.

THEN THOSE PEOPLE THEN, BUT AGAIN, I STILL THINK IF THEY'RE GOING TO RIP OFF THEIR CONSUMER LIKE THAT'S THE CONSUMER NEEDS TO KNOW.

>> THAT'S THE ISSUE. YOU IMPOSE THOSE CIVIL PENALTIES AND THEY CONTINUE TO DO IT.

>> THEN THE PENALTY DOESN'T OUTWEIGH THE ACTION.

SO THEN LET'S MAKE IT A LOT MORE.

BUT I THINK IN A COUNTY OF OUR SIZE,

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THEY'RE PROBABLY COMING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WELL, THEN LET'S HAMMER THEM, BECAUSE I MEAN, WELL, SERIOUSLY.

IF THEY'RE CORPORATIONS, LIKE WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THAT?

>> THEY ARE. THOSE OTHER COUNTIES WITH ORDINANCES HAVE INCREASED INSPECTION INTERVALS AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GO OUT AND DO ALL THAT WORK, THEY ARE.

THEY ARE GOING AFTER THOSE CORPORATIONS.

>> I'M JUST NOT INTERESTED IN A MOM AND POP SHOP WHO'S STRUGGLING TO KEEP THEIR DOORS OPEN IN LEAN TIMES, CHARGING THEM ANOTHER 35 BUCKS OR 40 BUCKS FOR A POINT.

IT'S JUST THEY JUST SEEMS LIKE WHITE COLLAR EXTORTION OR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR OF THE GOVERNMENT TO ME, BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.

WHY FORCE EVERYBODY ELSE TO PAY FOR MAYBE A FEW BIG LARGE CORPORATIONS.

>> WELL, THEY ARE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, BUT WE ALSO FIND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROBLEMS IN THOSE SMALL MOM AND POP STORES.

I DON'T LIKE TO CALL THEM OUT BUT THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OVERCHARGES IN THOSE BUILDINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING OVERCHARGED DAILY.

>> WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE A LOT BETTER WITH THEIR CHECKBOOK AND WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING.

ANYWAY, SUPERVISOR LONG.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL WEIGH IN MY BOARD OPINION ON THIS.

THIS IS AN EXPENSE THAT WE ARE INCURRING FOR THESE INSPECTIONS, AND TO THE TUNE OF $57,000 HAS COME OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND.

WE NEED TO BE COST NEUTRAL IN SOME OF THESE THINGS WHICH ARE A COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

THEY ARE CONSUMER PROTECTION.

CONSUMERS, I DIFFER WITH YOU ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO EXACTLY WHAT WAS ADVERTISED ON THE SHELF AND WHAT THEY END UP PAYING AT THE CHECKOUT STAND, MYSELF INCLUDED.

YOU JUST PAY THE BILL AND YOU MAY CHECK THE RECEIPT LATER OR YOU MAY NOT.

YES, IT IS INCUMBENT ON US ALL TO BE SAVVY IN THAT AREA, BUT I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE DO, AND TO THEIR DETRIMENT.

THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT OVERCHARGES AND UNDERCHARGES AND WE HAVE CERTAIN MANDATES THAT WE DO THESE INSPECTIONS, I DON'T WANT TO COST OUR GENERAL FUND FOR THINGS THAT SHOULD BE BORNE BY THE INDIVIDUAL STORE OWNER AS PART OF THEIR DOING BUSINESS.

I THINK IT'S REALLY EASY TO SAY, WE DON'T WANT IMPACT FEES, OR WE DON'T WANT STORE TO BE CHARGED FOR THESE THINGS.

WE COULD GO DOWN THE LIST ANYTHING.

WHAT IT ENDS UP DOING IS BANKRUPTING OUR GENERAL FUND.

I THINK IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S CONNECTED WITH A BUSINESS ACTIVITY, THEN THEY BEAR THE COST OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW AND WE JUST HEARD THAT IT IS UNLAWFUL TO OVERCHARGE, PERIOD.

IT'S NOT INCUMBENT UPON THE VICTIM OF THE OVERCHARGE TO THEN PROVE THEIR CASE.

NO, THAT THE LAW IS, YOU CANNOT OVERCHARGE.

IT'S ILLEGAL. WE HAVE MANDATES THAT ARE SET INTO EFFECT TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE NOT OVERCHARGING AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A COST OF DOING BUSINESS FOR EVERY BUSINESS OWNER, AND I THINK THEY NEED TO PAY THE COST, NOT OUR GENERAL FUND.

WE CAN DEFUND OUR GENERAL FUND PRETTY QUICKLY WITH GETTING RID OF ANYTHING THAT WE ARE MANDATED TO DO.

I WILL BE ACTUALLY VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS ORDINANCE.

>> I'M GOING TO CHIME BACK IN BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THIS DISCUSSION, SUPERVISOR LONG, BECAUSE WE DON'T GET TO HAVE THESE AS A GROUP.

BUT YOU SAY IT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

AT WHAT POINT DOES THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS OR DO YOU FEEL THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS EVER BECOMES TOO HIGH TO DO BUSINESS BECAUSE OF FEES LIKE THIS? HAVE YOU RAN A BUSINESS?

>> WELL, I HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS.

I WAS A COMMERCIAL LOAN OFFICER AND I DEALT WITH ALL KINDS.

I WAS THE RESPONSIBLE ONE THAT DETERMINED THEIR CREDIT WORTHINESS.

I GOT TO KNOW THE INSIDE OF BUSINESSES VERY WELL.

I UNDERSTAND ALL THE COSTS, EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THEIR CASH FLOW, THEIR PROJECTIONS, THEIR ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE AGING. I MEAN, YOU NAME IT.

I GOT INTO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AS A COMMERCIAL LOAN OFFICER TRYING TO DETERMINE THEIR CREDITWORTHINESS.

YES, I DO KNOW BUSINESS PRETTY WELL BASED ON MY PAST EXPERIENCE.

THERE IS A COST TO DOING BUSINESS AND AT SOME POINT, WHEN YOU DON'T GENERATE A PROFIT, YOU HAVE TO INCREASE EFFICIENCIES OR YOU DON'T DO YOUR BUSINESS ANYMORE.

THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE LEGITIMATE COSTS CONNECTED WITH RUNNING A BUSINESS, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAW OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW AND CONSUMER PROTECTION,

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I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT OUR GENERAL FUND AS A COUNTY SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THIS.

>> LET ME ASK YOU. IF THE CONSUMER PROTECTION, BUT WHO'S ULTIMATELY IN CHARGE OF THE CONSUMER? THE CONSUMER.

>> SURE.

>> BECAUSE YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THAT YOU AGREED THAT IT'S UP TO THE CONSUMER OR THE CUSTOMER, THEN CAME BUT.

SO IS IT THE CUSTOMER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THEIR BILL OR IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO MAKE SURE THE CUSTOMER KNOWS THE DOLLAR OF THEIR BILL?

>> IT IS A COMBINATION BECAUSE IT IS A LAW.

THERE ARE MANDATES FOR THE INSPECTIONS AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW TO PROTECT CUSTOMERS.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I'M GLAD YOU WORE A TIE JOHN BECAUSE THIS WILL BE SOMETHING CLIPPED AND I WILL SHARE.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BEING PRO BUSINESS, LESS TAX, LESS OVERREACH, LESS OPPRESSION VERSUS FREE MARKET, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

THIS IS NOT SOLELY ABOUT SCANNERS AND UPC CODES.

THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE'S IDEOLOGY OF HOW LIFE SHOULD OPERATE, ESPECIALLY IN SHASTA COUNTY.

I'M A HARD NO VOTE SUPERVISOR PLUMMER.

>> CAN I FINISH ONE PART OF OUR [INAUDIBLE]?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO IGNORE CALIFORNIA LAW?

>> I KNOW WHAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IN SHASTA COUNTY IS WE CAN, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND, AND I DON'T DISAGREE ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND.

WHAT I'M VERY IN FAVOR OF IF GOING DOWN THE ROAD, SOMETHING SUPERVISOR PLUMMER ALLUDED TO WAS, HOW CAN WE MAKE UP THAT GAP A DIFFERENT WAY? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK CRUSHING DOWN, I MEAN, YOU BRING UP THE IMPACT FEES CONSISTENTLY BUT I'VE HAD MORE REALTORS, MORE LOAN OFFICERS, MORE PEOPLE SAY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW GREAT OF A THING THAT IS AND AS BUILDING COSTS AND INFLATION COME DOWN, HOW THAT'S GOING TO PAY DIVIDENDS.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I'M HERE TO PROTECT THE BUSINESS OWNER OF SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

WHY ARE WE PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT THE WRONG WAY? THAT'S IT.

>> BUT ISN'T THERE [OVERLAPPING].

>> COULD I JUST RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION? I KNOW IT WASN'T DIRECT TO ME, BUT MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT IS LIKE IF WE THINK ABOUT CRIME, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS CRIME HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTY EVERY DAY THAT GOES ON.

>> UNINVESTIGATED.

>> UNINVESTIGATED, UNPROSECUTED.

BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO INVEST ANOTHER TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ADD DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF DEPUTIES.

I SEE THIS SIMILARLY IN THE SENSE THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME SMALL PORTION OF OVERCHARGES HAPPENING THAT ARE AFFECTING PEOPLE.

SOMETIMES THEY BENEFIT FROM IT THOUGH AND WE HAVE A CHOICE OF WHETHER TO SPEND ADDITIONAL MONEY AND THEN CHARGE OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY FOR IT TO GET TO ZERO.

WELL, IN FACT, IT WON'T BE ZERO BUT A SMALLER AMOUNT.

OR WE CAN SAY, THERE IS A SMALL AMOUNT JUST AS THERE IS CRIME HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE DON'T ARREST PEOPLE FOR AND WE NEVER TAKE THEM TO JAIL FOR.

WE ACCEPT A CERTAIN PORTION OF THAT BECAUSE WE EITHER ARE NOT WILLING TO PAY THE COST FOR IT OR WE DON'T HAVE THOSE RESOURCES.

I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT $12,000 A YEAR.

I THINK YEAH, WE CAN BE KILLED BY 1,000 CUTS BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S $12,000 A YEAR.

I'M NOT SUPER CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT.

ALSO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IF IT WAS A WAY TO PAY FOR OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF ACTIVITY.

WHAT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF IS SAYING, LET'S INCREASE OUR ACTIVITY AND CAUSE EVERYONE TO REGISTER AND THEN DO 50% OF THE SCANS, I'M USING THE WRONG WORDS HERE, INSPECTIONS.

WE'RE INCREASING IT AND THEN WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT INCREASE.

IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO SAY, LET'S PAY FOR OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF ACTIVITY AND PARTICULARLY MAKE THOSE PEOPLE PAY FOR IT WHO ARE VIOLATING THIS AND FLAGRANTLY VIOLATING IT, THAT I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.

THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU, JOHN.

WHAT LEVEL OF INSPECTION IS MANDATED, BECAUSE WHAT SUPERVISOR PLUMMER WAS ALLUDING TO OR NOT ALLUDING BUT DIRECTLY STATING WAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF INSPECTION.

WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE STATE THAT WE DO INSPECTIONS, AND AT WHAT LEVEL, AND DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON?

>> IT DON'T ALLUDE TO ACTUAL LEVEL.

IT JUST SAYS FROM TIME TO TIME, THE SEALER SHALL DO RETAIL PRICE VERIFICATION INSPECTIONS, SO ANYBODY COULD DEFINE FROM TIME TO TIME.

FROM OUR TIME TO TIME IS TURNING INTO 17% OF THOSE INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLAINTS.

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HENCE THE 57,000 OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY SOME ROUTINE INSPECTIONS WITH THE MAJORITY OF THOSE BEING COMPLAINT-DRIVEN.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IS IT YOUR BELIEF THAT IF THE WORD WERE TO GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION AS THE COUNTY TO PRICE GOUGING OR UNDER PRICING, COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT THAT WORD GETTING OUT WOULD THEN CAUSE A REDUCTION AND MAKE PEOPLE MORE COMPLIANT AND MORE WILLING TO INTERNALLY AUDIT THEMSELVES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT DOING THIS ACTIVITY?

>> I WOULD BE HOPEFUL THAT BUSINESSES WOULD BE MORE IN TUNE TO THEIR DEVICES BUT WE'RE TALKING LIKE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS.

THEY HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ITEMS IN THESE STORES AND IT DEPENDS ON THE STAFF THEY HAVE ON HAND THAT ARE ABLE TO GO THROUGH, COMB THROUGH ALL THOSE UPCS, MAKE SURE THEY'RE SCANNING ACCURATELY.

IT TAKES TIME, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEING THE OVERCHARGES THAT WE DO BECAUSE THE STORES AREN'T MANAGING THAT DATABASE PROPERLY.

>> WHEN YOU GET TO THE 57,000 THAT WE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE FIVE YEARS.

THOSE WERE COMPLAINT DRIVEN PROCEDURES, AND THAT'S A HARD 57 THAT THE COUNTY IS OUT FROM OUR GENERAL FUND ESSENTIALLY.

THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE WERE CHOOSING TO SOMEWHAT STAND DOWN BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A RESPONSE TO COMPLAINTS.

THOSE ARE HARD COSTS. THANK YOU.

>> SUPERVISOR KELSTROM.

>> JOHN, I'M STARTING TO WAVER HERE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, AS I LOOK AT IT.

HOW MUCH IN FINES APPROXIMATELY DID WE COLLECT, SAY LAST YEAR?

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND $2,500 IN FINES.

>> 2,500. BECAUSE, AS A SCAN COORDINATOR THAT DID HIS JOB CORRECTLY AND MAY WAS VERY DILIGENT ON MAKING SURE EVERYTHING WAS ENTERED CORRECTLY AND HAD A TEAM OF PEOPLE AT EACH STORE TO VERIFY THAT EVERYTHING WAS IN CORRECTLY, WE DID THE JOB RIGHT.

NOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS THING, AND IT'S LIKE, I WOULDN'T BE AFRAID FOR YOU TO COME IN WHILE I WAS A SCAN IN ONE OF MY STORES.

>> WE WOULD LOVE YOUR STORY.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I RELISH YOU THE IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND VERIFY BECAUSE I MEAN, SO WE DID THE JOB.

YET, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THIS FEE ALSO.

I KNOW, IN SAFEWAY, I DELIVERED THEIR FOR MANY YEARS, AND I GOT TO KNOW THEIR SCAN COORDINATOR THERE AND STUFF, I WENT TO WORK FOR HOLIDAY AS A SCAN COORDINATOR.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE STORES THAT DO IT CORRECTLY, THAT REALLY TAKE THEIR TIME TO DO IT CORRECTLY.

I WOULD ALMOST RATHER SEE INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM ONE MORE LAYER OF RED TAPE AND REGULATIONS AND ANOTHER FEE TO PAY, I WOULD RATHER SEE US HITTING SOME OF THESE STORES THAT ARE INCORRECT A LITTLE HARDER, A LITTLE MORE OFTEN.

OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T GO IN THERE AND FIND ONE WRONG PRICE, LIKE I DID A HOLIDAY THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE, SOMEBODY PULLED OUT A DISPLAY, THEY HAD THE WRONG SIGN ON IT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT ONE TIME.

BUT IF THAT HAPPENS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT, YOU VERIFY THE COMPLAINT, YOU GO IN THERE AGAIN AND RANDOMLY CHECK THEM AND AGAIN, GIVE THEM THEIR SECOND WARNING AND THEN START FINING THEM, AND THEN EVERY TIME AFTER THAT, YOU GO IN THERE AND ONCE THEY GET TO THAT LEVEL, EVERY TIME YOU GO IN THERE, YOU SHOULD BE GIVEN ANOTHER FINE IF YOU FIND SOMETHING WRONG.

>> WE CAN DO THAT, ESSENTIALLY, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE COST RECOVERY METHOD TO GO OUT AND CONTINUALLY DO THOSE INSPECTIONS.

IT WOULD BE A GENERAL FUN THING BECAUSE UNLIKE DEVICE REGISTRATION, WHERE THE GAS PUMP IS WRONG, AND IT CONTINUES TO BE WRONG, AND WE KEEP GOING BACK.

WE HAVE A MATRIX FOR CAPTURING AND INSPECTING THOSE DEVICES AND CAPTURING THAT TO HELP PAY FOR THOSE INSPECTIONS, WHEREAS THIS WE DON'T.

>> I UNDERSTAND. I JUST, LIKE SAY, I HATE TO ADD ANOTHER FEE TO THE STORES THAT ARE ALREADY HAVE TOO MANY FEES, AND TOO MANY PERMITS, AND TOO MANY LICENSE, AND TOO MANY REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT ONE MORE ON THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT SAME FEE ON THE STORES THAT ARE DOING IT CORRECTLY, AS WELL AS THE STORES THAT ARE DOING IT INCORRECTLY.

I'D RATHER SEE US GO AFTER THE STORES THAT ARE DOING IT INCORRECTLY.

I CAN WALK INTO A STORE.

I CAN GUARANTEE AND I CAN FIND SOMETHING IN FIVE MINUTES.

THERE'S A COUPLE STORES IN COTTONWOOD, AND I WON'T MENTION THEIR NAMES, BUT I CAN WALK THROUGH THERE, LOOK AT THEIR SHELVING AND GO.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO RING UP AT THE REGISTER AT THAT PRICE, ANYWAYS.

>> LAST THING I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, THE $57,000 THAT CAME OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND?

>> LONG, CRYE OR PLUMMER WAS NEXT.

>> OH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS MY LEFT.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO EQUATE IS THE COMPLAINT DRIVEN PRICE GOUGING THAT GENERATED THE 57,000 IN FEES BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY BEEN OPERATING A SYSTEM BASED ON COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

>> I WOULD SAY ABOUT 80, 20, PROBABLY 80% COMPLAINTS, 20% ROUTINE.

WE'RE GOING OUT AND DOING SOME ROUTINE INSPECTIONS,

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>> WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE, AND WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO COMPLAINT DRIVEN, AND IT'S GOING TO CHARGE OUR GENERAL FUND THE SAME EQUIVALENT OF $57,000 OVER FIVE YEARS, $12,000 A YEAR 11,000.

>> SAID, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT.

I GET THAT INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

I JUST LOOKING AT COST SAVINGS IN OUR ANNUAL BUDGET AND HOW WE CAN DECREASE.

I JUST FIGURED, IT'S WORTH PRESENTING TO SEE GET YOUR INPUT.

BUT YEAH, ULTIMATELY, WE WILL CONTINUE STATUS QUO WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT IF THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT GET IN PLACE, WE'RE GOING TO BE PRIMARILY COMPLAINT DRIVEN AND CONTINUE TO DO THOSE INSPECTIONS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SUPERVISOR PLUMMER.

>> JOHN, IN TERMS OF THE CIVIL PENALTIES THAT ARE CHARGED, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S SET BY COUNTY ORDINANCE OR WHO DETERMINES THAT?

>> THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, I THINK IN THE BUSINESS PROFESSION CODE, IT BREAKS DOWN THE FINE LEVELS AT WHICH WE CAN.

>> CAN THAT BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT, JOE?

>> SORRY.

>> NO, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF WONDERING IS, LIKE, DO WE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY AS A COUNTY TO ADJUST THOSE OR, SHIFT THOSE? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING INTO.

>> WE'LL FIND THAT OUT. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.

WE'LL START TO MY LEFT, MS. BLANKENSHIP.

>> SUPERVISOR LONG?

>> YES.

>> SUPERVISOR KELSTROM?

>> SORRY, [INAUDIBLE] NO.

>> SUPERVISOR CRYE?

>> NO.

>> SUPERVISOR HARMON?

>> NO.

>> SUPERVISOR PLUMMER?

>> NO.

>> FAILS 1,4, BUT JOHN. YOU DID A GOOD JOB.

YOU'VE DONE EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE ASKED YOU TO DO AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHICH IS BRING TO US ITEMS. YOU DRESS REALLY FANTASTIC.

>> THANK YOU. WHILE DOING SO.

>> CHAIR. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I APOLOGIZE.

I DID CONFIRM THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY REQUESTS TO SPEAK BEFORE WE TOOK THAT FINAL VOTE.

I DO JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON RECORD.

>> THERE'S NOBODY ELSE HERE.

>> CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE.

>> THANK YOU, JOHN.

>> JOHN, SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU. YES. I APPRECIATE YOU.

>> NOW, SHAWN'S GOING TO COME UP WITH NO JACKET ON.

[R9 Take the following actions: (1) Conduct a public hearing; (2) find that Zone Amendment 25-0004 is not subject to the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) pursuant to State CEQA Guidelines Section 15061(b)(3); (3) adopt the recommended findings listed in Planning Commission Resolution 2025-021; and (4) introduce, waive the reading of, and enact “An Ordinance of the Board of Supervisors of the County of Shasta Amending Ordinance Number 378, the Zoning Ordinance of the County of Shasta, a Portion of the Zoning Plan (Zone Amendment 25-0004 – Stephens),” to amend the Zoning Plan of the County of Shasta identified as Zone Amendment 25-0004 to change the zoning from the Planned Development (PD) zone district to the Interim Residential (I-R) zone district for approximately 123 acres consisting of two parcels and a portion of a third parcel that are located adjacent to the west side of Rhonda Road and approximately 650 feet south of the intersection of Lynn Hart Drive and Rhonda Road, Cottonwood, CA 96022 (Assessor’s Parcel Numbers (APN’s) 086-080-010, 086-080-024, 086-080-025, 086-080-026, and 086-080-027 as those APN’s are assigned for purposes of the 2025 Regular Assessment Roll).]

>> OR LEO. HE'S GOING TO SEND LEO UP FIRST.

HE'S GOING TO GRAB JOHN'S JACKET. HELLO LEO.

>> HELLO, CHAIR CRYE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD AND STAFF.

WE'RE IN ATTENDANCE MM LEO SALAZAR PLANNING DIVISION MANAGER. FOR THE COUNTY OF SHASTA.

THIS ITEM IS R9, ZONE AMENDMENT 24-0004 FOR STEVENS.

AS YOU KNOW FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, IT'S REQUESTED THAT THE BOARD TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS.

ONE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.

TWO, FIND THAT ZONE AMENDMENT 25-0004 IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CEQA PURSUANT TO STATE CEQA GUIDELINES SECTION 150 61B3.

THREE, ADOPT THE RECOMMENDED FINDINGS LISTED IN PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION 2025-021.

FOUR, INTRODUCE, WAIVE THE READING OF AND ENACT, AND ORDINANCE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF SHASTA, AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 378, THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE COUNTY OF SHASTA.

A PORTION OF THE ZONING PLAN HERE CALLED ZONE AMENDMENT 25-0004 STEVENS.

NOW WOULD BE TO AMEND THE ZONING PLAN OF THE COUNTY OF SHASTA, IDENTIFIED AGAIN AS ZONE AMENDMENT 25-0004, TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE DISTRICT TO THE INTERIM RESIDENTIAL ZONE DISTRICT FOR APPROXIMATELY 123 ACRES CONSISTING OF TWO PARCELS AND A PORTION OF A THIRD PARCEL.

THEY ARE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE WEST SIDE OF RHONDA ROAD AND APPROXIMATELY 650 FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF LYNN HART DRIVE AND RHONDA ROAD IN COTTONWOOD, CALIFORNIA, 96002.

THAT BEING A PORTION OF SECTION 35 OF TOWNSHIP 30 NORTH RANGE FOUR WEST, AND DESCRIBED AS LOT 1, LOT 2 AND A PORTION OF LOT THREE OF THE WESTLAKE VILLAGE NORTH SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS PARCEL MAP 816-78 AT 20 4:00 PM 123.

FURTHER REFERENCED AS ASSESSORS PARCEL NUMBERS, APN 086-080-010, 086-080-024, 086-080-025, 086-080-026, AND 086-080-027 AS THOSE APNS ARE ASSIGNED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE 2025 REGULAR ASSESSMENT ROLE.

MARK STEVENS HAS REQUESTED THIS CHANGE TO THE ZONING OF THE PROJECT SITE FROM THE CURRENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR PD ZONE DISTRICT TO THE INTERIM RESIDENTIAL ZONE DISTRICT.

THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE, SR1.

THIS GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION AND THE CURRENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE DISTRICT WERE ADOPTED FOR THE PROPERTY IN 2017,

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THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL EXPIRED IN 2019.

THE APPLICANT SUBSEQUENTLY IN 2022, SUBMITTED A NEW SUBDIVISION APPLICATION FOR PROCESSING, WHICH PROPOSED THE SAME SUBDIVISION DESIGN AS THE EXPIRED MAP AND WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT PD'S WE DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, DURING THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THE APPLICANT DISCOVERED THAT RECENT SEWER SYSTEM ASSESSMENTS AND A FINAL DRAFT OF THE 2023 UPDATE TO THE COTTONWOOD CSA NUMBER 17 MASTER PLAN, INDICATED THAT ADDITIONAL STUDY AND COSTLY IMPROVEMENTS OF THE SEWER SYSTEM WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE PROJECT.

BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO WITHDRAW THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.

DESPITE THE EXPIRATION OF THE ORIGINAL TENTATIVE MAP APPROVAL, THE PD ZONE DISTRICT FOR THE PROJECT REMAINS, AND SINCE IT WAS ADOPTED TO FACILITATE A SPECIFIC SUBDIVISION AND SUBDIVISION DESIGN, THE ZONE DISTRICT MUST BE CHANGED IF THE PROPERTY IS TO BE DEVELOPED FOR ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN THE SUBDIVISION THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN OF THE EXPIRED TENTATIVE MAP.

IF THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IS APPROVED, THE THREE PARCELS THAT MAKE UP THE PROJECT SITE COULD BE MARKETED AND DEVELOPED FOR PURPOSES PERMISSIBLE BY RIGHT, AND OR THOSE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITH APPROVAL OF A ZONING PERMIT OR ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT IN THE PROPOSED IR ZONE DISTRICT.

THESE USES ARE PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION READ THIS APPLICATION ON JULY 14 OF 2025.

BY A 4-0 VOTE, THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.

FIND THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, AND THAT THE BOARD APPROVED THE PROPOSED ZONE AMENDMENT.

WITH THAT, IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT THE BOARD TAKE THE ACTIONS, SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDED IN THE WRITTEN STAFF REPORT, PROVIDED WITH THE AGENDA PACKET.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BLANKENSHIP.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS ALL CORRESPONDENCE ON FILE WITH THE CLERK OF THE BOARD?

>> YES, CHAIR.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTERS?

>> NO, CHAIR.

>> SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> SORRY, CHAIRMAN CRYE, IF I COULD.

YES. IF I CAN MAKE A CORRECTION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS ITEM ON OCTOBER 9TH OF 2025, AND BY 4-0 VOTE, RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE APPROVED.

>> PERFECT.

>> THANK YOU. WE'RE BACK, SUPERVISOR CASTRO.

>> WELL, IF WE WANT TO BE NET PICKY, IT'S 96022, NOT 96002, BUT ANYWAYS, THAT'S.

THIS IS SIMPLY THEY WERE GOING TO PUT IN A SUBDIVISION THERE.

THAT'S WHY THEY GOT THE PD. IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED INTERIM RESIDENTIAL, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

AT THE TIME OF THE SUBDIVISION, THEY PROPOSED TO CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH WAS RURAL RESIDENTIAL A AT THE TIME TO SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, ALONG WITH A PD FOR, A SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT.

SUPPORTED AT THE TIME BECAUSE IT WAS WITHIN THE SPHERE OF INFLUENCE OF BOTH THE WATER AND SEWER DISTRICT.

IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WEREN'T ABLE TO RECORD THE SUBDIVISION, AND SO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD CHANGE SINCE.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING WITH IT NOW?

>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO MARKET THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS.

>> ON ACRE PARCELS OR SOMETHING?

>> IT'S POSSIBLE SOMEONE COULD PROPOSE TO SUBDIVIDE THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS TO PARCELS AS SMALL AS FIVE ACRES.

THAT'S WHAT THE INTERIM RESIDENTIAL ZONE DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW.

IN THE FUTURE, IF WATER AND SEWER SERVICE BECOMES AVAILABLE, THEN SOMEONE COULD PROPOSE TO REZONE IT TO A SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL URBAN RESIDENTIAL.

>> IN FACT, I GOT A PROJECT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP ALL THE REMAINING HOOKUPS, I BELIEVE.

SINCE THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.

>> I'LL SECOND. SUPERVISOR LONG.

>> THANK YOU. THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS IS IN LAY TERMS. IT WAS DEVELOPED AS A PD.

NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO TURN IT BACK INTO THAT INTERIM RESIDENTIAL.

BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET THE SEPTIC SEWER ASSESSMENTS THAT MET THEIR STANDARD FOR GOING FORWARD WITH THE PRODUCT PROJECT, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO RETURN IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE ESSENTIALLY.

IS THAT IN LAY TERMS.

>> MORE OR LESS, OBVIOUSLY, THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP THIS, WITH THE SUBDIVISION, IT'S REALLY NOT FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

BUT BECAUSE A SUBDIVISION 4 WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THAT ZONE DISTRICT IS SPECIFIC TO THAT PROPOSAL UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.

THAT'S THE ONLY PROPOSAL, OR THE ONLY PURPOSE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THE PROPERTY COULD BE PUT TO.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO RETURN IT SO THAT IT TAKES THOSE PD RESTRICTIONS OFF,

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REMARKET THE THREE PARCELS THAT WERE GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY MERGED AND SUBDIVIDED.

>> YOU SAID ONE THING THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I HAD TALKED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THIS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR DECISION WAS ABOUT.

BUT YOU SAID IT WAS GOING BACK TO INTERIM RESIDENTIAL, AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RURAL AND INTERIM RESIDENTIAL? WE'RE NOT TURNING IT BACK INTO THE EXACT SAME PARCEL.

>> CORRECT. THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN BACK TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL A, THEY'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION.

THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE DESIGNATION FOR A PROPERTY THAT'S WITHIN A SPHERE OF INFLUENCE OF THE URBAN SERVICES WOULD BE NECESSARY TO DEVELOP UNDER THAT GENERAL PLAN.

OBVIOUSLY, IF WE REQUIRED THEM TO CHANGE A GENERAL PLAN AND JUST GO BACK TO EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THEY PROPOSED A SUBDIVISION, THAT WOULD BE MORE COSTLY FOR THEM AND MORE TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THE INTERIM RESIDENTIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION THAT'S IN PLACE NOW.

>> THANK YOU SUPERVISOR LONG. SUPERVISOR PLUMMER.

>> YES. THANK YOU, LEO.

I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF REINFORCE A POINT THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT THE LAST DEVELOPERS ROUND TABLE, WHICH AGAIN, HERE, IT APPEARS THAT THE KEY LIMITATION AND HINDERANCE FROM DOING DEVELOPMENT IS LACK OF AVAILABLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I THINK THE MORE THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF THERE ARE EITHER GRANT DOLLARS OR CREATIVE SOLUTIONS FOR, ADDRESSING THAT SO THAT WE CAN ENABLE DEVELOPERS TO DO MORE PROJECTS LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

WE'VE OPEN THE HEARING, CLOSE THE HEARING, TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> PASSES 5-0. GREAT JOB, SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> GREAT.

>> AFTERNOON.

>> MS. BLANKENSHIP. ANYTHING THAT WE MISS, NEED TO REVISIT?

>> NO. THAT'S IT FOR RECORD.

>> NO FURTHER BUSINESS.

WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.